That was just an example of how the vbruntime is used in a for loop, but I can show you many more if you would like. The point i'm trying to make is generally speaking vb code is bloated and thats what makes my code so fast. It is not bloated and it doesn't rely on the vbruntime. I'm done discussing this topic because were going no where and arguing over trivial stuff.

Joacim Andersson: you wouldn't need it for crc32.