Incoming Flame - Republicans ...

[capsulecorpjx]

The Republican Party
1) Against allowing Defense Contract Employees having their rape allegations be settled in court.
2) Against limiting pay of executives in bailed out Financial Firms (see Neil Kavuto's spirited objection to this).
3) Against collecting rightful taxes from Corporations who hide their money in the Cayman Islands.
4) Against government run, non-profit Health Insurance Public Option to compete with Private Companies.
5) For Insurance Companies being allowed to drop you when you get sick.
6) For 15% capital gains tax, which means top 1% richest people pay a lower percent tax than a Waitress or Teacher.
7) For Corporate Welfare
8) For War (to make Haliburton money)
9) For Fundamentalists (Religious people are actually the Republican's pawns, Republicans won't actually make abortion illegal, otherwise they would have no issue to run on).

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No Democrats are not perfect either, many of them are also paid by the Corporate lobbyists, but they are not all bought. There are a few good Democratic Senators and House members left.

[System_Error]

capsulecorpjx - The Mark Gambo of liberals (except more annoying)!!!

[homer13j]

capsulecorpjx - The Mark Gambo of liberals (except more annoying)!!!

Well put.

[capsulecorpjx]

capsulecorpjx - The Mark Gambo of liberals (except more annoying)!!!

Does Mark still post here?

[wossname]

I thought a republican was a guy that owned 2 ale-houses.

[Blakk_Majik]

Nice blanket statement(s) there.

The Dems would never vote for Corporate Welfare. Only republicans voted for TARP. Now please explain to me how TARP AND TALF got passed with a Democratic majority in the House and Senate.

You fail to realize that party lines only matter to the average (dumb) US citizen. Both parties are bought and paid for by lobbyists.

I suggest you do some reading on a man named Ron Paul. He's a Repub from Texas. He has a lot of good ideas, but he's not "politiciany" enough to get elected as President. He doesn't parade around and promise people a bunch of things he can't and won't deliver.

He reminds me a lot of Ross Perot, a man that was written off as a crazy person. Perot warned us about NAFTA, and now everyone with half a brain (note: does not apply to most Americans) knows what the big sucking sound is with jobs (hint: Mexico and Canada have more car plants for "U.S" car manufacturers than the US does).

Pay attention to the Federal Reserve. The PRIVATE institution that controls the nation's money supply and interest rates. Want to know why your savings rate at your bank is nothing? It's because the Fed is lending money to their bank buddies at 0% interest. The real kick in the pants is that these banks then turn around and put the money in the stock market, instead of lending it to consumers and businesses to get the economy going again. Want to know who the Fed answers to? Here's a hint, it ain't you, me, or anyone on Capitol Hill.

The sooner people realize that lobbyists, and the whole of corporate America, is playing BOTH sides of the aisle like a fiddle, the sooner we can elect reps that will institute real change, instead of the ones that just talk about it.

[demotivater]

Sounds like someone had a little too much kool aid last night.

[capsulecorpjx]

Sounds like someone had a little too much kool aid last night.

Hmmm kool-aid.

[System_Error]

Hmmm kool-aid.

I think he meant hatorade.

[Shaggy Hiker]

No, he hasn't been around for a time now. I find it kind of odd that everybody seems to see him as the archetypical conservative poster. He was conservative, but I never thought of him as being particularly strident.

@Wossname: Ugh!!! That's what I'd expect from an extractor fan.

Also, why is this in CC. Why not in World Events? The place was showing the briefest flickering of life, perhaps this could have sustained the rally.

@System Error: The hate label is becoming so wildly overused that it threatens to become the impotent label of the decade. All disagreement is called hate. Why? Is disagreement never enough anymore? Is dislike too tepid? Leave that word for the exclusive use of those who know how to take it to extremes. Leave it for the nazis, racists, anti-semites, xenophobes, germaphobes, and other minor Martian moons.

[homer13j]

All disagreement is called hate.

Sometimes, yes, but this is not one of those times. There's disagreement and there are those who are so consumed with anger, bitterness and hatred for those with which they disagree that they lie in bed awake at night thinking of their next internet post describing just how angry, bitter and hateful they are.

I've been telling our capsule corpse-ing friend for quite some time that he should lighten up and try not to be so full of hate and rage but what do I know? I'm just one of those greedy, warmongering, selfish, scummy conservatives he so loves to rail on about and blame for his sorry plight in life.

Perot warned us about NAFTA, and now everyone with half a brain (note: does not apply to most Americans) knows what the big sucking sound is with jobs (hint: Mexico and Canada have more car plants for "U.S" car manufacturers than the US does).

And yet they still can't turn a profit and need yet another infusion of billions of freshly printed dollars... Imagine the state of GM and Chrysler if they had to pay all those Mexican workers UAW wages and benefits.

[capsulecorpjx]

Sometimes, yes, but this is not one of those times. There's disagreement and there are those who are so consumed with anger, bitterness and hatred for those with which they disagree that they lie in bed awake at night thinking of their next internet post describing just how angry, bitter and hateful they are.

I've been telling our capsule corpse-ing friend for quite some time that he should lighten up and try not to be so full of hate and rage but what do I know? I'm just one of those greedy, warmongering, selfish, scummy conservatives he so loves to rail on about and blame for his sorry plight in life.



And yet they still can't turn a profit and need yet another infusion of billions of freshly printed dollars... Imagine the state of GM and Chrysler if they had to pay all those Mexican workers UAW wages and benefits.

What are you takling about? I am lightened up.

As for GM and Chrysler, yes they should alet them gone bankrupt. I don't know where that came from.

As for the big Financial Institutions, I kind of believe when they say that they need to be bailed out or the entire economy tanks. However I rather they have fired all the executives and all the traders in those companies, replace them with other people or even college grads.

Cancel all bonus contracts. What they can do is move all those executives to a new subsidiary company and underfund that and let it go bankrupt (to get out of giving bonuses), this is a common practice by many corporations actually.

[abhijit]

Cancel all bonus contracts. What they can do is move all those executives to a new subsidiary company and underfund that and let it go bankrupt (to get out of giving bonuses), this is a common practice by many corporations actually.

What I have heard is exactly the reverse of this practice. That's how corporations screw shareholders.

[FunkyDexter]

As for the big Financial Institutions

One of the things that worries me about this recession is that I keep hearing people saying the banks were 'too big to be allowed to fail' and using it as an argument to break up the banks. I think they probably are to big to fail now but in the 1920's they were all small and that's credited as one of the factors that caused the crash; their lack of size meant that they were less robust and less able to remain liquid, hastening the speed with which runs on banks emerged. It's good that we're learning from the recent historys of the current recession but worries me that we're ignoring the lessons of the MUCH bigger crash a century ago.

However I rather they have fired all the executives and all the traders in those companies, replace them with other people or even college grads.

My idealistic heart completely agrees with you but my pragmatic mind says the college grads would be just as greedy and less competent. I suspect the truth is that the only way to keep 'em in line is to regulate 'em and, since we're now in a globalised economy where National legislation would simply mean they would move to a less regulated nation, that means worldwide regulation is required. That which means a worldwide government and I'm really not sure I like that idea.

[Blakk_Majik]

I'll give you that UAW demands put a hurt on GM, but there was a lot more wrong with GM than just the unions. Same goes for Chrysler. But, that's another topic entirely.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Yeah, health care obligations.

Still, to derail the thread a bit, I feel that GM didn't truly embrace the market, but were well contented embracing only one slice of the total market. The slice faltered...and so did GM.

Sometimes, yes, but this is not one of those times. There's disagreement and there are those who are so consumed with anger, bitterness and hatred for those with which they disagree that they lie in bed awake at night thinking of their next internet post describing just how angry, bitter and hateful they are.

You're right, of course. I was generalizing because it seems to me that we are increasingly labeling all who disagree with us as haters. It certainly is NOT true, in fact, so the label just acts to increase the divide. Dismissing somebody by saying that their position is simply motivated by hate is about the same as putting your fingers in your ears. Therefore, I say we should call hate hate, and not elevate disagreement to hate.

I've been telling our capsule corpse-ing friend for quite some time that he should lighten up and try not to be so full of hate and rage but what do I know?

Lighten up, yes, but hate and rage? Those seem rather too energetic, to me. Ol, Capsule Corpse, he of the nearly unspellable (and unfathomable) name, does seem to start threads that are doleful and even pessimistic, but hate? For whom does his droll dole toll?

I'm just one of those greedy, warmongering, selfish, scummy conservatives he so loves to rail on about and blame for his sorry plight in life.

Hard to hate you, though.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Yeah, I'm aware of that, but I have always felt that the mapping is due more to the fact that we had two parties and now have two parties rather than any continuity.

[chris128]

If you want another party you can have the BNP

[Shaggy Hiker]

No thanks, you can keep that one.