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    Hey guys. You are not gonna believe what hit me like a ton of bricks while writing a VR app.

    Ok here me out. The current state of the internet is, whether you admit it or not, is still stuck in the dark ages. And what I mean by that is that webpages are what they are called...just pages. A fancy or static page full of buttons, images, text and media.

    But...

    What if the webpages weren't just pages? What if they were web "sites"? As in actual three dimensional locations you can visit in a virtual world. And Im not talking about some gigantic world such as the Oasis or the Matrix. Im talking millions of different realities.

    $$$ Im talking about Virtual Real Estate. $$$

    Imagine walking into a virtual library where you have access to billions of books and at the same time can visit real people at that such and such library. Imagine a virtual theme park where you can ride tons of different rides at your disposal (for a fee).
    Imagine visiting a virtual Amazon store where you can actually shop around countless isles of inventory at your disposal where you can actually examine and hold the item you want to buy before making a purchase. Imagine a virtual mini mart where you can select whatever junk food, cigarettes, and beer you want, check out, and have it delivered by drones in literally minutes. Imagine a virtual night club where you can meet other people to score a real life date.

    Each of these places can be in the form of virtual real estate where others can make real money off of. And with the launch of 5G networks, and more than capable devices, I feel that VR can take off in the form of being useful and vital as opposed to how it was in 2016 which was gimmicky. Problem is, is that Im not gonna be able to build all of these worlds and change the entire internet structure on my own. Im gonna need a team of developers and build a repetable software company from the ground up. And have all of these worlds linked by Googles search engine. Sounds good, right?

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    Read the book Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson, it includes just such a world. In a way, it melds Facebook and World of Warcraft.

    What you are describing is a bit like an immersive version of WoW, from what I've seen (never played the game, though, so I may be wrong). People running around in virtual buildings, working together, interacting with others, and so forth. It seems increasingly viable once we move away from HTML/JS and more to more WASM style stuff.
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    Not to sound too negative about some of those ideas but walking around a 3D virtual bookstore sounds a lot more effort and trouble than just typing something into a search box and having an e-book arrive on my kindle seconds later...

    A virtual reality that mimics the real world might look cool in the movies but it is probably not as efficient as what we currently have in our 2D pages. It would all depend on what you are trying to achieve though - retail is often about getting customers to hand over money quickly and encouraging them to spend more, Amazon and similar currently allow me to spend money pretty damn fast and I am not sure wandering around a 3D virtual store would do anything to make me spend money faster. This is coming from a person who one year spent so much money with Amazon that only my mortgage payments cost more

    Games, socialising or even visiting real world but distant locations however could certainly benefit from VR, I suppose the biggest costs there become the digitisation and storage as well as bandwidth and raw compute power to make it a reality.

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    That's a good point. I work with fish hatchery data. Some early programs suffered from the inability of people to figure out the interface. It's not a subject that is easy to describe to people who work at hatcheries, because there are so many disparate chunks of data that have to be entered in disparate places.

    After thinking about it for a time, I realized that what would be the easiest approach would be to make it like a game: Anything you did on the concrete, you did on the screen graphically. This made intuitive sense to people. If you wanted to move fish, you grabbed the fish from one raceway and dragged them to...well, wherever. You might release the fish by dragging them to a river (icon), or if they died, you might drag them to a cemetery (I wanted to be more respectful than just using a trash can, though that's what usually does happen). If you wanted to weigh the fish, you'd drag a scale to the fish. To feed them, you'd bring feed to the fish. And so on. Conceptually, it made sense to everybody. In practice, few people would want to use that interface for long. You might have 100 raceways. To feed all the fish....well, that would be a drag.

    The solution, in that case, was to use plugins. The drag and drop interface worked well in theory, and for some people it would be great in practice, but in other cases you wanted a spreadsheet-like interface, so that was also on offer.

    Basically, even in games that have a very graphical interface, you always want to drop out of that interface for certain types of transactions. That's not an impediment to the idea, though. You could still have your library, but you'd also need a kiosk front and center, so that the user could drop into a different mode of interaction when it became more convenient to do so. That's the approach I took with the hatchery program.
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    Re: Multi-Billion Dollar Idea

    The worlds will already feature a viable search via either by typing, or by voice recognition. At least until voice recognition becomes much more improved due to different accents and languages

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    Re: Multi-Billion Dollar Idea

    They already have virtual worlds, i.e. resorts where people are meeting and interacting in VR.
    I also know of local merchants that work with Google Street View so you can walk in and tour their store to look at merchandise they currently have on the floor. Of course, these are larger items, like furniture, and appliances, and not VR at the moment, but are steps on the way. Also, local grocery stores are jumping on the bandwagon to compete with Walmart, etc., by offering on-line shopping and same day delivery of groceries.

    So, not necessarily new ideas, just becoming more possible and practical as time goes by.

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    Isnt there a movie about this? Ralph breaks the internet or such that came out a few years ago?

    Sites, like mentioned, already have virtual walk throughs. One industry that has them is the real estate market. You want to buy a house and look at the listings, pick one out and take a virtual tour through the house
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    Sounds a lot like The Oasis from Ready Player One.
    Also sounds a lot like Second Life.... which... if I remember right... didn't work out so well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RobDog888 View Post
    One industry that has them is the real estate market. You want to buy a house and look at the listings, pick one out and take a virtual tour through the house
    Yeah, I did one of those. The fact that they had virtual junkies shooting up in one of the bathrooms was a bit unnerving.
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    One thing ive learned while making a VR app is that both lenses focal point needs positioned closer to the center to line up with your pupils. In my case i just changed the positions in 3d space with both lenses. Its why the rendering must be done twice. Otherwise with the VR helm on you end up with double vision. And searching this solution on Google gave out zero results. Mainly cause of already made VR librabries such as Unity and Unreal Engine 4. And noone had the balls like I did to make it without those libraries lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    Yeah, I did one of those. The fact that they had virtual junkies shooting up in one of the bathrooms was a bit unnerving.
    Tell me more, please.

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    I was also thinking of how ad revenue can be generated through VR. Instead of annoying ad banners, pop ups, or worse yet, full screen video ads with loud sound that interrupt the emmersive experience, you can have billboards on buildings, virtual tv sets playing something, ads in a virtual magazine, etc. So like the real world only in a virtual environment without interruption. Ad revenue combined with virtual real estate = $$$

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    I agree with PlausiblyDamp. A virtual world wouldn't work for online shopping. Most people prefer product results and info about it to be displayed instantaneously, so they wouldn't waste time walking through a new VR shop unless it offers products you can't get anywhere else online.

    Now if internet went all VR, then we wouldn't have a choice but get use to a slower pace of shopping online. Hell, this would create a boon for your local retailer and new ones where people prefer the physical world.

    VR could work for libraries, only for exploring their aisles to see what's available, but most small libraries wont have the funds or time to scan every single page of individual books for online reading. For meeting people in this VR world, I don't see libraries allowing that to be an option since this would more than likely attract tons of creeps that could put their customers at risk if they decide to meet in real life. Stalkers in this VR world might even pay a visit to this library in the physical world to see if their interests goes there in person, then follow them after they leave the building.
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    Thats where choice plays in. You can instantly search an item using voice chat and itll bring you to that item. Same with books. It doesnt have to be 1000s of isles to take hours to find that item you are looking for. But you could as a choice to be emmersed and end up coming across items you didnt know existed and end up buying them as well. Same holds true with books. Theres already millions of ebooks, emagazines, and ecomics out there online. Imagine all of that in one gigantic virtual bookstore or library.

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    We're already the laziest people in history. Now we can browse a store without leaving the comfort of our chairs? I think we're becoming sessile organisms.

    Frankly, I don't think a bookstore/library is the ideal analogy for this. Sure, you could wander the isles to see what comes up, but bookshelves show you nothing but the spines of books, which isn't necessarily going to catch your eye. After all, there are companies who sell books by the measure and color (ever wonder how some people end up with a shelf of brown books? They measure the shelf and order 1.3 meters of brown books), which means that people aren't even necessarily interested in reading the titles.

    The covers of books are more interesting and eye-catching, but they are hidden in most libraries and bookstores. The exception is periodicals, where the spines are hidden, but the covers are not. A virtual bookstore/library could show the covers, since you have infinite space, but you can probably still come up with a better interface than VR, so books just don't seem like the best item to be selling with VR. They're just too, inherently, 2D or n-D, but not 3D.

    Where would browsing actually matter most? Toys, tools (toys for bigger kids), plants, or even clothes if you did it right. Books have covers that are eye-catching, but are 2D. So, what would work better is merchandise that is much more 3D in nature and 3D in appeal. Being able to walk around tools, or pick them up and turn them, all in a VR would make more sense than a book, which would work better in a flat medium. When it comes to clothes, everybody could have an mannequin of themselves, so as they walked through the store, they could see any clothes as they'd look on their bodies.

    There are uses for the concept, but books aren't a particularly good one.
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    Where would browsing actually matter most? Toys, tools (toys for bigger kids), plants, or even clothes if you did it right. Books have covers that are eye-catching, but are 2D. So, what would work better is merchandise that is much more 3D in nature and 3D in appeal. Being able to walk around tools, or pick them up and turn them, all in a VR would make more sense than a book, which would work better in a flat medium. When it comes to clothes, everybody could have an mannequin of themselves, so as they walked through the store, they could see any clothes as they'd look on their bodies.

    There are uses for the concept, but books aren't a particularly good one.
    Cars... trucks... I could see it being useful for being able to do a custom car/truck purchase... it would give you the chance to actually see your custom options and what they would really look like... you could actually walk around it, "kick the tires" maybe even hear the engine.

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    Take it for a test drive...run over some squirrels.
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    Sounds a lot like the old cyberpunk fiction view of the future. Lots of that is still a good read, but it missed the boat with its predictions.

    Instead we got Google and Alexa, and I'm pretty sure that talking AI is just a fad. Text and 2D visuals offer far greater data transfer bandwidth while still being economical, though voice input will probably remain viable.

    Predicting the course of technology is a sucker's game. But something disruptive could always come along to make VR a viable medium for more broad usage than it has right now.

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    The VR issue that intrigued me is the bit about having the image tilt with head motion. If that doesn't happen, people tend to get sick. That's a tough one to solve.
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    How about VR vacations, concert attendance, amusement park rides etc. Instead of a product to sell you are selling an experience and memory. Similar to that Arnold movie where he gets his mind erased and a new life uploaded and ends up on Mars. Of course 5G and the pron industry could fuel the progress of VR with virtual pron lol. Never get a STD again LOL
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    Imagine the porn industry booming with VR with suits that actually emulate touch! You can literally have sex with any of your favorite pornstars in realtime, even classic stars! Ka-chiiiing!!! $$$

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    You had better have some VERY good security on that one. Otherwise, you might be in the middle of gettin' jiggy with it when your partner turns into a rabid wombat.
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    You had better have some VERY good security on that one. Otherwise, you might be in the middle of gettin' jiggy with it when your partner turns into a rabid wombat.
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    Don't they already work on replacing actresses' faces and voices with the more famous stars so you can produce with much lower costs? Which also is fraud...

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    I've never heard that before, but considering the amount of CGI in big-budget action films, these days, why would you even bother calling it fraud?
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    I just came up with a few more multi-billion dollar ideas!

    Obviously we will need flying cars, because traffic is getting retarded. Of course another solution to that is to use self driving vehicles and they can all communicate with one another through sensors that use 5G networks to move fluently and keep the traffic smooth. Another multi-billion dollar idea would be hover boards. I mean real actual hover boards like in Back to the Future 2. Problem is, is that we need a propeller that is mega powerful, but at the same time, mega quiet, and is small and compact enough to be put into an actual board. We are beyond 2015, and the closest we've come are either magnetic for metal surfaces only, use liquid nitrogen, are ginormous, or freaking self walkers with the name "Hover Board" attached to it o.O

    Drones are gonna be a thing soon for Uber Eats and Amazon delivery, but will they be self piloted? Self Piloted drones should be a thing too. Ones that can detect its environment such as telephone wires, helicopters, planes, birds, buildings, or just about anything that can get in its way. And can get from point A to point B to make its drop, and fly back successfully.

    My brain is overflowing with ideas! O.O

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    But those are ideas that are not new and most already out there
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    They're out there, for certain.

    Roads have lines on them that guide people, yet people cause a huge number of car accidents every day. Clearly we pretty much suck at driving, even when we have all that guidance to keep us from crashing into things. So, why would anybody be interested in a flying car? It seems to me that people want one with a couple caveats, namely:

    1) They're the only people that have a flying car.
    2) The law of gravity has been repealed.


    Once everybody has a flying car, you sure aren't going to have lanes in the sky, and fender benders will be fatal above a VERY low altitude. We suck at driving when in confined 2D lanes. How does anybody think we'd be safe driving in 3D space with no lanes at all?

    As for the hover boards, we don't need powerful fans or propellers, we need better batteries. We could build the propulsion (it might be terribly dangerous, but it could be done). What we can't do is store enough energy in a small enough space to allow for a reasonable flight time. Cars, bikes, feet, and the like, get a powerful benefit from being attached to the ground. They don't fall down, because there is no down for them to fall. Forward motion comes from interacting with that ground that gravity is pressing them against for free. Once you take to the air, you have to expend a whole lot of energy just counteracting gravity, let alone moving anywhere. Where is that energy coming from? Gasoline is just a means to store energy in a very compact form. Batteries are another way to store energy, but they are FAR less efficient than gasoline. Yet even gasoline doesn't store enough energy to keep a person aloft for very long. You won't fly far on a pint of gas, even if you use wings to aid in lift. Instead, you need several gallons to fly efficiently for any length of time, and that's both bulky and heavy. So, for a hoverboard, how would you store the energy? Will you carry a backpack of gasoline, or are we just talking about magic?
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    Were talking about a slightly new technology that hasn't been invented yet. Were talking something similar to sonar but has consistent force, enough to lift a human being off the ground, or even a car. And uses clean energy.

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    Why don't we just swallow Helium?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Roman View Post
    Were talking about a slightly new technology that hasn't been invented yet. Were talking something similar to sonar but has consistent force, enough to lift a human being off the ground, or even a car. And uses clean energy.
    So we went from VR internet to flying vehicles?

    I'm not sure how sonar would get a vehicle off the ground, but I know it would disrupt any life below it.

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    Obviously we will need flying cars, because traffic is getting retarded.
    Ever wonder why this idea hasn't taken off? It's been around for ages:

    1935
    The Giro-Car (helicopter labeled as an automobile)
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    1949
    Aerocar
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    1952
    Wilbur Shaw's Flying Car
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    1957
    Hitler's Ariel Sedan - Your flying car for the future
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    1960s
    Cars of the Future Mag - Flying cars coming soon!
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    1971
    It sprouted wings... so I flew it.
    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/aUcAA...nQy/s-l640.jpg

    1973
    AVE Mizar Roadable Aircraft (Ford Pinto with Cessna Skymaster wings)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVE_Mizar

    1990
    The Sky Commuter Flying Car (developed in the mid 1980s)
    https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...rrett-jackson/

    1991
    Anyone can fly the Skycar
    https://hips.hearstapps.com/pop.h-cd...cover-0191.jpg

    1998
    CBS News - Flying car test flight
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7dqFXq8Kfg

    2005
    How to Build a Flying Car
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Popular-Mec...-/391886428554

    2006
    Where's My Flying Car?
    https://www.gettyimages.at/detail/na...foto/130824457

    2015
    Drive the Sky
    https://ricktownley.files.wordpress....15_001_web.jpg

    2016
    The Future of the Flying car
    https://cdn.ccomm.hearst.com/assets/...fe9d23af3e.jpg

    2018
    How close are we to flying cars?
    http://discovermagazine.com/%7E/medi...-CV0618web.jpg
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    Re: Multi-Billion Dollar Idea

    Buuuuut. The rule for me is, it cannot have wings. Much like Steve Jobs didn't want the fan in the original Apple

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    Wings help with the physics of flight because they give you lift, which is essentially free energy. Without wings (and forward motion), you have to expend FAR more power keeping aloft. For example, you can fly a kite if you have wind, but you can't fly a stick. Even with a hurricane, a stick is as likely to stay on the ground as to get aloft. You CAN fly a stick if you attach a rocket to it, though. So, once you don't have wind moving across a lifting surface, you have to expend energy to stay off the ground.

    That comes back to the need to store energy, which doesn't exist to the level required for your dreams. Therefore, while the virtual reality world is one that you can achieve, these later ideas are just wishful thinking, because the technology doesn't exist.
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    Re: Multi-Billion Dollar Idea

    I have a few multi-trillion ideas.

    Some type of Serum that cures all diseases instantly as well as defies death.

    And a product that also aims to fix the traffic issues you mentioned already. Travel over TCP/IP. Basically instead actually leaving your house, traveling in a plane, train, or automobile; you simply travel over a network connection. It would require a module at both the starting point and the destination. My concept effectively eliminates traffic, except in poorly configured networks where loops and broadcast storms exist. And since migrating to TCP from UDP, I haven't lost a single limb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dclamp View Post
    I have a few multi-trillion ideas.

    Some type of Serum that cures all diseases instantly as well as defies death.
    Ummm, I kind of dislike that idea, though the appeal is obvious. I saw a duck kill a duckling today. I didn't know that was a thing, but having had a look around, I guess that it is. Of course, any pair of ducks can only produce another pair of ducks in their lifetimes. If they produced more, we'd be overrun by ducks. If they produced less, there'd be no ducks. Since there are ducks, but I'm not tripping over one every time I step outside, then they must be sticking right around replacement rate. Since a brood might be 10 ducklings, and a female might lay a brood a year for several years, then the death rate has to be fairly high.

    The same applies to humans. If there were no death, there would also have to be no birth....or we'd soon be having a problem.

    And a product that also aims to fix the traffic issues you mentioned already. Travel over TCP/IP. Basically instead actually leaving your house, traveling in a plane, train, or automobile; you simply travel over a network connection. It would require a module at both the starting point and the destination. My concept effectively eliminates traffic, except in poorly configured networks where loops and broadcast storms exist. And since migrating to TCP from UDP, I haven't lost a single limb.
    I stuck with UDP, and one of the packets was duplicated, so now I have an extra thumb.
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    Invest in revenue drivers -- then reinvest. Invest in the ideas and, more important, the people who drive revenue. ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dclamp View Post
    And a product that also aims to fix the traffic issues you mentioned already. Travel over TCP/IP. Basically instead actually leaving your house, traveling in a plane, train, or automobile; you simply travel over a network connection. It would require a module at both the starting point and the destination. My concept effectively eliminates traffic, except in poorly configured networks where loops and broadcast storms exist. And since migrating to TCP from UDP, I haven't lost a single limb.

    I stuck with UDP, and one of the packets was duplicated, so now I have an extra thumb.
    Shaggy, maybe you should check yourself for other errors:

    * one arm longer than the other
    * laughing at your own jokes before you mouth them
    * strange urge to play Fortnite (crossed streams with a neighbors gameplay)

    Hell, you may not have anymore rights as a copy of your original self. You better build more UDP teleporters and ship them to various locations around the world in order to safely create copies of yourself, if your teleporting system detects no heartbeat from your Fitbit watch. Even if you're just simply jailed, you know you're living life elsewhere.

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