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    Re: No troll. What are the (legitimate) reasons people are still using VB6 ?

    Might be impossible, in that case. That would explain a whole lot. They may be paying a portion of the VB6 license cost to third parties, so a portion of the purchase price goes to them. That would make it pretty much impossible to either open source or make it freeware. MS might not care, but those third parties would have a straw in the pool, as well.
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    Re: No troll. What are the (legitimate) reasons people are still using VB6 ?

    Quote Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
    I suspect that a lot of things included with VB6 were licensed from 3rd parties, mostly controls. It might be a lot of trouble to get clearance to release them at this late date.
    I certainly don't know, but I do sort of question that. Do we think that Microsoft was paying third-parties royalties for each copy of the VB6 IDE it sold? That's difficult to believe (but, I suppose not entirely impossible). If they're not paying any royalties, you'd think they could set whatever price they wanted, even $0.00. Even if there were some licensing issues, you'd think that Microsoft would have unlimited distribution rights for whatever they were. I could see that as being a possible impediment to opening the source, but not necessarily forgoing licensing fees.

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    Re: No troll. What are the (legitimate) reasons people are still using VB6 ?

    I don't buy that "licensed 3rd parties" thing. If that was the case M$ would be the first to talk about it, even if just to shut down some voices.
    They just want people to stop using it, because they want one to follow the new (and more profitable?) technologies: SaS, Web Services rentings, and the like.
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    Re: No troll. What are the (legitimate) reasons people are still using VB6 ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos Rocha View Post
    I don't buy that "licensed 3rd parties" thing. If that was the case M$ would be the first to talk about it, even if just to shut down some voices.
    They just want people to stop using it, because they want one to follow the new (and more profitable?) technologies: SaS, Web Services rentings, and the like.
    Well, what prevents MS from claiming just that to get rid of any headache?!

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    Re: No troll. What are the (legitimate) reasons people are still using VB6 ?

    they dont want to give vb6 away because they know vb.net was a mistake.
    the second the source of vb6 is out, the community will start working on it and will surpass vb.net almost immediately.
    most be some stubborn old fart that is scared that vb.net is doomed if vb6 source gets out.
    so the best way is to bury vb6 and hope that people forget about it, by giving out free stuff to everyone.

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    Re: No troll. What are the (legitimate) reasons people are still using VB6 ?

    Not only is VB.NET a mistake, the entire .NET is a mistake, only C# is correct.

    Anders Hejlsberg left Borland and joined Microsoft. He not only affected Delphi, but also affected VB6 (making VB6 dead) and .NET. He has influenced half of the world's programmers.
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    Re: No troll. What are the (legitimate) reasons people are still using VB6 ?

    Quote Originally Posted by baka View Post
    they dont want to give vb6 away because they know vb.net was a mistake.
    the second the source of vb6 is out, the community will start working on it and will surpass vb.net almost immediately.
    most be some stubborn old fart that is scared that vb.net is doomed if vb6 source gets out.
    so the best way is to bury vb6 and hope that people forget about it, by giving out free stuff to everyone.
    Now we are talking

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    Re: No troll. What are the (legitimate) reasons people are still using VB6 ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elroy View Post
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    If they actually did make such an announcement, we could openly talk about how to make portable (easily copy-able) versions of the VB6 IDE, which isn't a difficult thing to do.
    ...allready done -> NanoVB

    (..and I don't think MS really cares)

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    Re: No troll. What are the (legitimate) reasons people are still using VB6 ?

    Quote Originally Posted by tubus View Post
    ...allready done -> NanoVB

    (..and I don't think MS really cares)
    Well, that's not totally legal. And also, it doesn't cover any of the common OCX files that are often used. The way I use the VB6 IDE, it'd never be totally portable, but it could be very close. For my purposes, I would need to register (for development) a few of these OCX files.

    Microsoft did distribute a VBC6.exe program (packaged as VB6CLI.exe) for a while precisely for re-registering these OCX files (for development). However, I'm not sure that program is still available. There are well known methods for getting this done, but we're again walking a fine line on exactly what's legal.

    And, a point almost larger than what Microsoft cares, is what these VBForums care about.

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    Re: No troll. What are the (legitimate) reasons people are still using VB6 ?

    I used VB5 and VB6 since the 90s but I no longer use it professionally anymore as most projects at my job are website related. I still like to bring VB6 up every once in a while and write something needed where this is the right tool for the job but its getting less frequent.

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