Hearing Protection Act

[sapator]

I am dozed from work.
So I need a gun that takes explosive bullets and launches grenades (not human ones) and also has DNA sensors and can shoot 100 rounds per second.
I would also need some teenage clothes and rich kids schools recommendations.I just use the gun for protection and , err, target practice. Ideally moving targets.
I'm arriving on Sunday so I can make preparations....

What?

That is valid in a free gun country like...Switzerland!!! Not valid in Greece though

Also don't watch the news, they are lying to you!(mesmerization time) There is no gun control problem, there is noo gun control problem, there is noo gun control problem. Vzzztttt..

[dilettante]

Florida School Shooting - Democrats & Republicans Provide NO SOLUTION - Examination Required

[Sitten Spynne]

The people who assure us guns are the safest live in one of the nation's largest gun-free zones.

At least the TX legislature has the balls to allow concealed carry holders to skip the metal detectors.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I guess you haven't watched the news lately?

Lacking a TV, it's pretty safe to say that I don't watch the news.

However, I wasn't talking about what people on the news are saying. I'm talking about the people around me. Most are hunters, who don't seem to say much about the issue, and the only people who say much about the issue are some mothers I know.

[Sitten Spynne]

Lacking a TV, it's pretty safe to say that I don't watch the news.

However, I wasn't talking about what people on the news are saying. I'm talking about the people around me. Most are hunters, who don't seem to say much about the issue, and the only people who say much about the issue are some mothers I know.

Here's what you're missing from the news, essentially:

One footage reel is very angry people who just got shot at and have lost friends and/or family members. They're being joined by other very angry people who were recently shot at and lost friends and/or family members in the at least once-a-month mass shootings that seem to happen only here and nowhere else. They want "gun control", or "mental health resources", or "something". They aren't super specific. They're upset and grieving. They think "once a month" is probably too frequent for a mass shooting, especially considering it doesn't happen anywhere else. They figure if we want to refer to other countries as "shitholes" maybe we should aim to have fewer people openly murdering children and a President who hugs crying people instead of asking us to pay him to visit his own golf course more than every other President combined.

The other footage reel is very angry people who got paid a lot of money to do nothing about this problem. They're trying every technique they can to promote their agenda. This is including and not limited to declaring pornography a public health hazard on the same day they reject some gun control legislation. It is including and not limited to calling the grieving mothers and children "paid actors" who are "politicizing the issue of mass shootings in America". They point out if you haven't had sex with a gun today, you're 10,000% more likely to be burgled and murdered by one of Hillary Clinton's North Korean transgender rape squads, who are roaming the country because she's a Big Loser and also omnipotent. They also point out that laws don't do anything. To demonstrate, they remind us all that sex trafficking is illegal, but it didn't stop one of Trump's campaign officials from doing it 23 times and concocting an elaborate theory about how it was actually Hillary Clinton in the basement of Comet Pizza. They also remind us that election interference is illegal, and it didn't happen, except for the election rigging that Hillary Clinton did that resulted in Donald Trump winning fair and square, and it definitely wasn't Russian interference, except for the Russian interference that was definitely Obama's fault, but it wasn't "Russian" or "election interference" because Donald Trump won every state fair and square in the rigged election and Hillary Clinton should be in jail because she's a big loser who rigged the election. Also Microsoft is going to abandon Hillary Clinton's devil framework .NET and restore COM, it's an honorable framework that has never sexually harassed a woman for certain definitions of 'woman'.

So yeah. You're not missing much. Business as usual. Typical "I'm not going to do anything but it's someone else's fault nothing happens". And if you join the side that doesn't eventually steer the argument to Hillary Clinton, you're "waving dead kids around as a flag" and "using them to further your agenda" instead of the purpose Reagan Christ intended us to use schoolchildren for: bullet shields.

[Sitten Spynne]

In short:

Both sides of the equation present a caricature of the other side.

But one side is made up of people who just witnessed a mass murder. They're being painted as drama queens who should be ignored.

The other side provably supports child molesters, kidnappers, sexual predators, murderers, money launderers, traitors, and thieves. They are being painted as child molesters, kidnappers, sexual predators, murderers, money launderers, traitors, murderers, and thieves. They point out it's unfair to call them murderers, and have won the hearts of America since they are so badly oppressed.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Also Microsoft is going to abandon Hillary Clinton's devil framework .NET and restore COM, it's an honorable framework that has never sexually harassed a woman for certain definitions of 'woman'.

That's absurd. COM is short for Commie, which is short for Communist. Nobody openly supports that.

Other than that: Don't be so coy. Tell us how you REALLY feel...

[Shaggy Hiker]

Gun control is a peculiarly American issue. It isn't as right and left as many of our issues are. In many ways, it is deeper, and also can be said to form an axis all its own. The bulk of my friends are hunters (and getting bulkier in old age). The VAST majority of my friends don't talk about this issue. I'm pretty sure it's not that they don't think about it. The most likely reason is that they don't feel they have anything productive to contribute.

As far as I can see, the politics around this are pretty solid. The NRA will punish anybody who doesn't side with them, especially in Florida, where they have a particularly effective lobby. Politicians are right in doing nothing, as bad as that sounds. They will get punished for taking action, they won't be punished for doing nothing. Unless the anti-gun lobby can demonstrate a significant number willing to vote on that issue to the exclusion of others, nothing is going to change. We may get there, but probably not. Because this is largely a cultural issue, any change that made a difference would likely be draconian, and that will be harder to pass than smaller, less useful, steps.

Politics evolves over time. Not in any particular direction. It just evolves. We are not in a time and place where anything is going to change on this issue. We may get there, we may not, but we aren't there now.

[sapator]

I think you are kinda missing the point here.
This is a different optic that maybe many Americans do not understand or act like they do not want to understand.Gun trade is prosperous. You are conducting wars around the globe constantly in the name of terrorism or pacification and in the process you gain billions of dollars as an economy from guns. You are exporting your products (war planes, tanks, ships etc) to as many countries as possible.You arm one side of an electrified population in a country against the other side (recent example Syria) and you are in charge of NATO that basically is your toy army to start and stop war tensions. This is a point of view from another part of the world, waaaayy over there. You might say "what is that deranged mugwump talking about", that's alright, I am that guy from times to times :P but I think you should listen opinions from people that are neutral and either take or not in consideration.
So with that said, I do not think that your gun industry is more concerned on selling guns to you rather than sell the big ones around the globe. But, since they have the opportunity to make some extras and it's obvious that they got politicians by the balls, they force a non change on the legislation. Of course our politicians are mean bunnies and mean bunnies you must hang and they gave away billions of dollars to USA(yep we where once one of the richest countries in EU and got poor because of those bunnies) for arms and they got some in their back pocket (I'm not sure on the word here. Is when you buy something and get a commission from the seller illegally.Don't know that English term). So we also fuse the gun trade from our part.
So in short companies care more on creating wars to sell guns rather than selling to citizens but if they can have both then fine by them.

So many times I went to hell, resurrected lord to fight on earth, I am their pawn my master toy, I fuse your wars and i deploy (just though of it, will squeeze that in a song on our band somewhere).

[dilettante]

Hillary Clinton’s State Department Gave South Sudan’s Military a Pass for Its Child Soldiers

I met a few of them in the town of Pibor last year. These battle-tested veterans had just completed two or three years of military service. They told me about the rigors of a soldier’s life, about toting AK-47s, about the circumstances that led them to take up arms. In the United States, not one of these soldiers would have met the age requirements to enlist in the Army. None were older than 16.

And that is who this thread is trying to prop up. Shame!

[Sitten Spynne]

See? It's a new version of Godwin's Law. You can't talk about Hitler without someone mentioning Hillary Clinton.

Clearly these Sudanese child soldiers staged the school shooting. Is there any depth to which Hillary Clinton's worldwide omnipotent evil can't go? We can't even buy American schoolchildren pencils, let alone rifles.

[jmcilhinney]

And that is who this thread is trying to prop up. Shame!

This reminds me of talking to some Christians as an atheist. You say "I don't believe that a god exists because there's no good evidence to support the claim" and their response is "why do you hate god?". Here, you say "I want gun control because I want to minimise the number of Americans - particularly American children - who are killed in mass shootings" and the response is "why do you love Hillary Clinton?". Why is it so hard to believe that the majority of people who say that they want fewer people killed by guns actually do want fewer people killed by guns? There's no doubt that sticking it to some right-wingers would be an added bonus for many but if I had the choice of keeping children alive or sticking it to right-wingers, I know which I'd choose. It might even turn out to be those right-wingers' children.

By the way, even the average right-winger supports gun control here in Australia. You may have heard one of our former prime ministers, John Howard, say that his proudest accomplishment is implementing gun reforms after the Port Arthur massacre here. He is very much from the conservative side of Australian politics.

[TysonLPrice]

We are not in a time and place where anything is going to change on this issue. We may get there, we may not, but we aren't there now.

That is exactly what I thought about it; a few more days of tears and anger and we are good until the next one. I'm having second thoughts now with kids across the nation speaking out. A commentator made a point that struck me. A lot of those kids have been having shooter lock down drills since they have been in kindergarten and are fed up. Young people helped bring the Viet Nam war to a quicker end, albeit college age. Maybe a tsunami is building around this issue...

[TysonLPrice]

There have been a couple of posts about either the left or right making extreme statements after the shooting. Another aspect of the extremes are the on-line conspiracy claims. One that even Donald Trump Jr. latched onto. He was among the many people who “liked” a tweet criticizing Hogg

David Hogg was one of the students in school that day. He is being accused of secretly being a “crisis actor” playing the part of a grieving student in local and national television news reports. Partly because he attended a school in California at one point. He also became the target of some of the conspiracy stories after he mentioned in one interview that his father was a retired FBI agent, allowing the online narrative to merge with ongoing attacks against the bureau. The conservative website Gateway Pundit on Monday posted a picture of Hogg under the headline: “EXPOSED: School Shooting Survivor Turned Activist David Hogg’s Father in FBI, Appears To Have Been Coached On Anti-Trump Lines.”

I’m sure there were some people that saw the potential for internet social sites to be abused. I don’t know if anyone saw the magnitude it would be used to propagate false information.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.75be906d2464

Edit: Side note:

Rep. Claudia Tenney, a Republican from New York, claimed in a radio interview Wednesday that “so many” people who commit mass murders “end up being Democrats.”

She said: “Obviously there’s a lot of politics in it,” Tenney said in response. “It’s interesting that so many of these people that commit the mass murders end up being Democrats … but the media doesn’t talk about that either.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c7a6a2ee9fc2

Her response to the article was:

“I am fed up with the media and liberals attempting to politicize tragedies and demonize law-abiding gun owners and conservative Americans every time there is a horrible tragedy,” Tenney said in email statement to The Washington Post.

[Shaggy Hiker]

That is exactly what I thought about it; a few more days of tears and anger and we are good until the next one. I'm having second thoughts now with kids across the nation speaking out. A commentator made a point that struck me. A lot of those kids have been having shooter lock down drills since they have been in kindergarten and are fed up. Young people helped bring the Viet Nam war to a quicker end, albeit college age. Maybe a tsunami is building around this issue...

That's why I said that "maybe we'll get there", but those kids can't vote, yet. There aren't enough of them anyways. They're just really vocal. Doesn't mean anything, yet, and I'm not optimistic that it will. Non-voters speaking out is all very nice, and very meaningless. Let's see it change some voting behavior. Let's see it even change some polling. Otherwise it is sound and fury without meaning.

Vocal minorities can shift the needle in the country, but it takes decades for that shift to happen most of the time. Dramatic change takes more effort. I'm not seeing that, yet.

Also: Please keep the conversation clean. Dodging the censor by using symbols in words is still against the AUP of this site, where swearing is not allowed.

[TysonLPrice]

That's why I said that "maybe we'll get there", but those kids can't vote, yet. There aren't enough of them anyways. They're just really vocal. Doesn't mean anything, yet, and I'm not optimistic that it will. Non-voters speaking out is all very nice, and very meaningless. Let's see it change some voting behavior. Let's see it even change some polling. Otherwise it is sound and fury without meaning.

Vocal minorities can shift the needle in the country, but it takes decades for that shift to happen most of the time. Dramatic change takes more effort. I'm not seeing that, yet.

Also: Please keep the conversation clean. Dodging the censor by using symbols in words is still against the AUP of this site, where swearing is not allowed.

I know I do that occasionally...which post number are you referring to?

[Shaggy Hiker]

I tried to edit it into absurdity, and that leaves tracks. It's a general reminder, though. I'm not hesitant to swear, myself, and would over this issue. It's just that this forum is what it is largely because we keep a handle on ourselves, and we need to keep it that way.

[Sitten Spynne]

My favorite thing today was some uplifting quote by Barack Obama meant to show solidarity and support for people who think "children being killed in schools" is a headline more appropriate for countries we laugh at than ourselves. It struck me as very indicative of a major theme of the last 10 years:

Young people have helped lead all our great movements. How inspiring to see it again in so many smart, fearless students standing up for their right to be safe; marching and organizing to remake the world as it should be. We've been waiting for you. And we've got your backs.

It's nice to see previous generations admit they've been content to sit back, do nothing, and wait for younger people to try fixing the problems so thoughts and prayers can be sent. Good job, guys. We're going to be your end-of-life care nurses.

The machine that prevented the Obama administration from doing... well, anything about guns is the same machine that the Trump administration gleefully employs. That machine doesn't realize if it pushes its luck too far, we aren't going to "regulate" it. We're going to erase it. The current path of the NRA is one that inspires young people to envision an America where all guns are illegal. They should probably work on that.

Time and again, history shows when corporate interests participate in drawing up voluntary regulations, people "feel good" and the regulations end up favorable for businesses. Time and again, businesses have decided to operate under the mantra, "Make money until they regulate you into oblivion and punish you for what you did."

[Sitten Spynne]

Put another way.

In 9 days, high school students have:

• Forced a CNN town hall.
• Owned Rubio so badly he had to commit to things reporters let him wiggle out of.
• Forced Trump to call for a bump stock ban in a desperate attempt to look like he can work a day of his life.
• Caused at least three major corporations to end their support for the NRA.
• Led to the dismissal of a Florida aide.
• Raised millions of dollars for a march.

In the last four years, adults have:

• Wrung their hands.
• Sent thoughts and prayers.
• Explained that 18 year olds are too young to have mature opinions about gun control, but 14 year olds should have sex with Roy Moore.
• Used children as prostitutes.
• Blamed their own use of children as prostitutes on Hillary Clinton.
• Insulted veterans.
• Insulted victims of mass shootings.
• Asked us all to reconsider our terribly unfair position on the Ku Kux Klan.
• Suggested that maybe we'd be better off unvaccinated.
• Blamed mass shootings on Hillary Clinton.
• Blamed mass shootings on Barack Obama.
• Blamed mass shootings on mental illness.
• Passed laws making it easier for the mentally ill to obtain firearms.
• Lectured at length about how it's not fair to treat mental illness.
• Blamed mass shootings on lesbians.
• Played golf almost every weekend.
• Hidden in closets when asked to speak with constituents.
• Blamed mass shootings on Christmas.
• Complained about how difficult it is to be close to retirement with a few hundred thousand dollars in assets and no expectation of discomfort for the rest of one's life.
• Been really, really upset about winning an election.
• Developed a crippling addiction to opioids.
• Relentlessly worked to make scientifically proven alternatives to opioids illegal.

Freakin' Millennials ruining "being a lazy generation who decided to cash in their children for a little comfort". I'm starting to think we dosed the wrong generation with mind-altering drugs. They're eating Tide Pods because they know if they commit suicide you won't get their life insurance policy, and they're suspicious you're secretly hoping they'll be shot so you get an easy retirement.

[Shaggy Hiker]

You aren't old enough to have that opinion...and neither am I. There are some people on here who are old enough to remember saying, "Don't trust anyone over 30!", but they've probably changed their views. That was a slogan from the 60s.

My point is that throughout history there have been many Children's Crusades. Few ended as badly as the actual Children't Crusade, and some got some traction. I wish them well. Two HS gals from Boise got some national attention for starting some protests and leading some marches. They got plenty of attention from the politicians, too. Now it's a year later. On the issues they got people somewhat fired up about....nothing much seems to have happened.

Everything like this starts with marches, glorious speeches, hope and dreams. The reality is that there's a huge mass of inertia, and shifting the body politic takes a whole lot of hard, and often quite tedious, work. I'm encouraged to see people speaking out. I think the country has been too passive and complacent for several decades. I'm just not sure that the short term impact will be all that great, and the long term impact is going to be hard to evaluate properly. So, charge on. Just don't think the world will change tomorrow because of enthusiasm today.

[wes4dbt]

I think the country has been too passive and complacent for several decades. I'm just not sure that the short term impact will be all that great, and the long term impact is going to be hard to evaluate properly. So, charge on. Just don't think the world will change tomorrow because of enthusiasm today.

Sad but true

During just the 2016 election cycle, the NRA spent $54 million in the presidential and congressional races, nearly $20 million of which went to attacking Democrat Hillary Clinton and more than $11 million to support Republican Donald Trump. In 2008 and 2012, the group had spent $18 million opposing Democrat Barack Obama and $10 million supporting Republicans John McCain and Mitt Romney.

A NRA spokesperson said the group spends money in elections on behalf of its five million members across America to defend their constitutional right to own guns.

In the past 15 years, the pro-gun group has spent a total of more than $132 million on ads supporting or opposing presidential or congressional candidates.

Money can't buy happiness but it can certainly buy politicians. As gun violence increases, the number of innocent people dying annually increases, they do nothing, so they can keep this cash cow, they don't seem to mind.

But the politicians aren't really the problem because they wouldn't be there if the majority of the voters hadn't elected them.

[NeedSomeAnswers]

Looking at the US from afar, it feels like your discussions about Guns has changed a bit probably due to the relentless nature of these mass shootings, your probably right though that its not yet enough for your politicians to do anything much about it

What is sad is wondering how many more of these mass shooting will it take before there is a tipping point, as one thing i am absolutely sure of is there will be more, they are not going to stop until you do something sensible to stop them.

[jmcilhinney]

they are not going to stop until you do something sensible to stop them.

One of the problems is that too many people think that getting more guns out there is the most sensible thing to do.

[NeedSomeAnswers]

One of the problems is that too many people think that getting more guns out there is the most sensible thing to do.

Yes your right for instance this call to arm Teachers is foolish, but it might take a failure of such a policy for some people at least to realise that

[Shaggy Hiker]

Believing that arming people will help requires that either

1) The shooter will seek some other target, or not shoot anybody.
2) The shooter will be shot before they can kill anyone.

The first case can generally be dismissed with ease. Lots of those shooters are severely depressed. They aren't trying to kill people, they are trying to kill themselves and everything in their life. It's a darkness that makes them want to destroy their lives in a more thorough way than just killing themselves. So, they won't be deterred by the fact that they'll be shot to death. It's part of the plan.

The second one is kind of true. The shooter always has the initiative, because it's their idea. So, they'll get the first shot unless they are total idiots (there are plenty of those out there). So, it's really saying that the number of people killed will be reduced. That's a good thing, just not much of one. I've often wondered why the shooter stopped when they did. Usually, they kill themselves, so we often don't know, but they often have considerably more ammunition than they used, so what was it that caused them to stop when they did? Why seventeen dead rather than 1 or 5, or 50? If we could say, "they will stop on their own once they have killed N people." then you can compare how many they killed to how many they would have killed and figure what advantage some strategy had. Since they seem to have a limit, and no particular reason, we can never be quite sure whether any approach is effective short of no shootings at all.

So, arming people is a non-quantifiable solution.

[Sitten Spynne]

"We need to arm more people" is a good illustration of how most people's "discussion" on this topic is actually just "I don't want to change my mind and I memorized some things that sound good".

The people who want to arm everyone have usually memorized and can link you to some high-profile incidents where an armed individual was able to stop/prevent a crime. This is fine. No sane person should argue, "Guns never prevent crime." That's a stupid point easily debunked with widely-available evidence.

The people who don't are ill-equipped, this one doesn't have links on speed dial. But it's not hard to find scenarios about innocent people with handguns who were killed. It's not hard to find cases where police or otherwise other "good guy" fire strikes and kills an innocent. It's not hard, in the aftermath of shootings, to find police officers who suggest they're glad there weren't people carrying civilian weapons, because in the heat of the moment it's impossible to tell who is a shooter and who isn't.

So it seems likely that:

• Armed people are some percentage more likely to either prevent, stop, or not be near gun crime.
• Armed people are some percentage more likely to be mistaken for criminals, escalate a scenario, kill and injure innocents, or disrupt law enforcement.

We don't know how these things compare to each other, partially because people who make money selling guns paid our government to make it illegal to study gun safety in the United States. We do know that countries who made knee-jerk reactions and severely restricted guns after major events have experienced either no mass shootings since, or "fewer than the United States has seen in a month for more than two years". We do know, from casual observation, the United States has both gun ownership that is far outside the norm for developed countries and a rate of mass shootings at least 15x what those countries display.

But we have to hear "both sides of the story", including the one that people who sell guns tell.

[dilettante]

Arming more people is a very weak response. I don't see how it does anything but make the problems worse except in so few cases the negative outcomes would far outweigh any benefits.

[Shaggy Hiker]

It's not precisely illegal to study gun violence in the US. That law just meant that you weren't going to get any funding, and would likely end up out of a job. You won't end up in jail, though.

[TysonLPrice]

Last last week Delta Airlines said it would end its discount program for members of the NRA. Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle, who also serves as president of the Georgia state Senate, intimated in a tweet he would “kill any tax legislation” as punishment to Delta. He is referring to new bill that would restore a massive sales tax exemption on jet fuel. Delta, the state’s largest private employer, would be the provision’s main beneficiary and save about $40 million a year. He said “Corporations cannot attack conservatives and expect us not to fight back."

So this Bozo has decided to use tax dollars to push he own agenda. He said “I’m tired of conservatives being kicked around on our values. It’s time we stand up and fight and show corporations that conservative values are important, not just to Georgia but to the entire nation,” Cagle told the Journal-Constitution.

Republicans scream bloody murder about big government interfering with business; unless it suits their agenda. I'm willing to bet he has an A+ NRA rating...

Side note: President Trump said that he would have run toward the Parkland, Fla., gunman had he been near the school...I'm glad his bone spurs have healed.

[Shaggy Hiker]

That's all tax legislation is, ultimately. Since every tax bill impacts various different groups in different ways, EVERY tax bill will have relative winners and losers, and those will always have to do with ideology of one sort or another. Not necessarily left or right, but always ideology. That guy was only saying out loud what can't avoid existing whether spoken or not. I have no issue with that statement, it's honest.

[TysonLPrice]

That's all tax legislation is, ultimately. Since every tax bill impacts various different groups in different ways, EVERY tax bill will have relative winners and losers, and those will always have to do with ideology of one sort or another. Not necessarily left or right, but always ideology. That guy was only saying out loud what can't avoid existing whether spoken or not. I have no issue with that statement, it's honest.

It seems like a government official is blackmailing a business to me. Do what I say or you lose your tax dollars. And it seems selective; United Airlines can have tax dollars if they follow-up conservative view points but Delta can't because they don't.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Yeah, nothing new there. This is how state legislatures run in every state I've ever followed. My mother was a state representative for three terms in NH. The stuff that went on there is about the same.

I'd say that states get less scrutiny than national levels, and things get highly personal like this. It makes HUGE differences to companies. Quite often, it isn't nakedly ideological, as quite often the only ideology is money, but it's always there. The thing that might surprise people is just how petty hugely impactful decisions can be.

[TysonLPrice]

Yeah, nothing new there. This is how state legislatures run in every state I've ever followed. My mother was a state representative for three terms in NH. The stuff that went on there is about the same.

I'd say that states get less scrutiny than national levels, and things get highly personal like this. It makes HUGE differences to companies. Quite often, it isn't nakedly ideological, as quite often the only ideology is money, but it's always there. The thing that might surprise people is just how petty hugely impactful decisions can be.

I'll be following this one. They, Georgia republicans, gave Delta an ultimatum...change the policy or lose the money. We should know in a matter of weeks.

[Sitten Spynne]

He might want to rethink that action, given that recent court cases have conferred personhood to corporations with respect to beliefs. It might come out that "Delta Airlines", the entity, is having its 1st Amendment rights violated and is owed civil rights damages from the State of Georgia.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Now THAT would be a fascinating lawsuit.

[dilettante]

This guy is about 40 now, so he can no longer stretch and call himself a "millennial" anymore. As a result some people here will discredit everything he says.

Go ahead an skip this ahead over the first 10 minutes where he mainly talks about how he's recently been censored by YouTube in the Peoples' Republik of Kalifornia for wrong thinking.


DCCC Advises Candidates AGAINST Single Payer & To Offer Gun Victims "Prayers"

He has no use whatsoever for the Republicans and he has lost all hope of positive action by the Democrats as well. The past few years have made the truth so clear to him he now refers to the D's as the crack-addicted alcoholic abuser that voters refuse to leave.

But as the news item he covers there should make very clear you shouldn't expect any action to change anything on the gun problem. It is held in reserve as nothing but a political football to be brought out during campaigns.

[TysonLPrice]

We have a mate or two here:

"Australia says it collected more than 57,000 illegal firearms during a three-month amnesty last year – the first such program since tough gun laws were enacted in the wake of the country's worst mass shooting in 1996."

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...llegal-weapons

This was in the article and runs counter to one of the NRA favorite lines about limiting assault rifles:

"In the decade before the Port Arthur massacre, which killed 35 people, there had been about ten mass shootings in Australia; however, in the 16 years since changes to gun laws were fully enacted in 2002, the number of such crimes has fallen precipitously."

[TysonLPrice]

I'll be following this one. They, Georgia republicans, gave Delta an ultimatum...change the policy or lose the money. We should know in a matter of weeks.

It was approved overwhelmingly. I also saw that actions like that are common thing in state governments, like Shaggy Hiker mentioned. Live an learn...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.937410a99033