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    Quote Originally Posted by quickbbbb View Post
    VisualFreeBasic IDE no debugger , can not debug step by step

    but has 3rd debugger
    Then it can't really be called an IDE... by definition an the D in IDE is for Debugger... Integrated Debugger and Editor...


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    Re: Vb6 , the Future, and what I have discovered

    All this time I thought it was Integrated Development Environment. That doesn't make as much sense as Integrated Debugger and Editor, but it's only slightly worse. It all comes down to what is being Integrated.

    Now I don't know which is right

    Perhaps it has become a pure TLA, where the meaning isn't as important as the acronym.
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    《visual freebasic》ide,There is now an English version.Vfb author Yong Fang continued to develop for several years, although different from visual studio 2019 thousands of miles, but many times better than freebasic. I hope everyone will participate and write some plug-ins.

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    Re: Vb6 , the Future, and what I have discovered

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    All this time I thought it was Integrated Development Environment. That doesn't make as much sense as Integrated Debugger and Editor, but it's only slightly worse. It all comes down to what is being Integrated.

    Now I don't know which is right

    Perhaps it has become a pure TLA, where the meaning isn't as important as the acronym.
    I always thought of it as Integrated Development Environment as well, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integr...nt_environment seems to agree as does https://www.eclipse.org/ide/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    All this time I thought it was Integrated Development Environment. That doesn't make as much sense as Integrated Debugger and Editor, but it's only slightly worse. It all comes down to what is being Integrated.

    Now I don't know which is right

    Perhaps it has become a pure TLA, where the meaning isn't as important as the acronym.
    I thought the same thing so I had to look it up

    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/vis...e?view=vs-2019

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    Makes sense, since a real IDE offers more than editing and debugging.

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    And here I was, not even looking it up. I was kind of feeling that TG had a better meaning for the acronym than I had. It may have started out with that meaning, then morphed later on. In the early days, combining an editor and a debugger would have been about as novel as combining sound with moving pictures. You had one or the other, but not both. Perhaps, once more tools than just those were combined, the true perfection of the TLA was recognized when folks realized that it still served, only with a different meaning.

    If so, that moment was lost in time, and we're all just ignorant savages.
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    To use the Chinese programs and understand the texts, I realized an automatic program in VBA (Excel naturally recognizes Chinese characters but not VB6) which indicates the position in the program, the number of bytes of the message, the Hex code of the message, text in Chinese, text in English, text in my language.

    For example in VFB5.2.6, it extracted 633 messages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    All this time I thought it was Integrated Development Environment. That doesn't make as much sense as Integrated Debugger and Editor, but it's only slightly worse. It all comes down to what is being Integrated.

    Now I don't know which is right

    Perhaps it has become a pure TLA, where the meaning isn't as important as the acronym.
    Quote Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp View Post
    I always thought of it as Integrated Development Environment as well, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integr...nt_environment seems to agree as does https://www.eclipse.org/ide/
    Quote Originally Posted by wes4dbt View Post
    I thought the same thing so I had to look it up

    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/vis...e?view=vs-2019
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    Makes sense, since a real IDE offers more than editing and debugging.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    And here I was, not even looking it up. I was kind of feeling that TG had a better meaning for the acronym than I had. It may have started out with that meaning, then morphed later on. In the early days, combining an editor and a debugger would have been about as novel as combining sound with moving pictures. You had one or the other, but not both. Perhaps, once more tools than just those were combined, the true perfection of the TLA was recognized when folks realized that it still served, only with a different meaning.

    If so, that moment was lost in time, and we're all just ignorant savages.
    Actually, when I wrote that initially, I hadn't had my coffee yet, and even as I wrote it, I thought "wait, that doesn't look right..." but I stuck with it and posted it anyways.... :P So in my defense I claim a momentary lack of sanity.

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    Re: Vb6 , the Future, and what I have discovered

    For what's it's worth (not much probably), classic vb has dropped out of the top 20 on the TIOBE index for the first time.

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    Classic VB was never in TIOBE. What people were thinking of as being classic VB in TIOBE was essentially Visual Basic once you remove the things that were clearly labeled VB.NET. They published their methodology, so you could repeat it, though why anybody would want to repeat ALL of it is beyond me. After all, they were aggregating across more search engines than I'd ever care to look at.

    Still, if you repeat their methodology with just a few, you quickly realize that almost half of what was considered classic VB was really VBA. Of the remaining half, almost 90% appeared to be VB.NET, just without the .NET part prominent in the page. They recognized that this would be the case, and put half the results towards VB.NET while leaving the other half. A bit of sampling shows that they should have put 90% towards VB.NET and left 10%.

    I asked the folks at TIOBE, several years back, to include a VB6 category. They were interested in the idea, but within the limitations of their methodology, I believe they decided that they couldn't get a more fair representation than what they had. It's too bad, considering how often TIOBE was cited by VB6 supporters. What you ended up with was a misleading stat, which you wouldn't recognize as misleading unless you dug into the methodology and repeated some of their searches yourself.

    Whether classic VB has fallen out of the top 20 or not is kind of irrelevant. It may have fallen out if they changed their methodology to apportion the VBA and VB.NET parts of that classic VB more accurately, or it may be a change in web pages themselves over the years. If people were more precise in labeling VBA as VBA and VB.NET as VB.NET on their pages, rather than just saying "Visual Basic". That would also cause the "Classic VB" category to drop. In either case, it wouldn't reflect anything other than a change in terminology, which few would be interested in.
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    Considering that methodology they describe I'm not sure how well their counts for Java vs JavaScript or C vs C++ vs C# or even peanut butter vs chocolate might be.

    It's all smelled like contrived marketing, a medicine show, for a very long time.

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    Expect a 64-bit NewBasic for Windows, Linux, and Android.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
    Considering that methodology they describe I'm not sure how well their counts for Java vs JavaScript or C vs C++ vs C# or even peanut butter vs chocolate might be.

    It's all smelled like contrived marketing, a medicine show, for a very long time.
    I agree. What they went for was the low hanging fruit: Automated searching. Therefore, the results have to be taken for what they are worth. I'd say that some broad trends can be taken from those results, such as C# vs VB, but even there you have to consider that there are multiple issues obscuring the meaning of those results. For one thing, VB.NET is too low due to the issues with the searching I mentioned earlier, while C# will have the same problem to a different extent. Furthermore, what do the results even mean? If more people ask about A than about B, it doesn't necessarily mean that A is more popular, it may mean that A is more confusing. So, it's a popularity contest where people aren't judged on popularity, but on some stand in metric that may or may not represent popularity.
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    There's a mercenary motive too: https://www.tiobe.com/tics/fact-sheet/

    Funny, the languages they support almost always come out near the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
    There's a mercenary motive too: https://www.tiobe.com/tics/fact-sheet/

    Funny, the languages they support almost always come out near the top.
    Sure, but that could be auto correlation. If you produce a tool that works with a variety of programming languages, it behooves you to support the most popular languages. So, it's no surprise that they support the languages they find to be at the top of their poll. Whether their poll reflects the languages they support, or they support the languages based on their poll, is almost an open question, except that I doubt anybody seriously disputes that the languages near the top of their poll are popular, and the languages near the bottom are not popular. It's just the order and relative magnitude that is debatable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vbrad View Post
    For what's it's worth (not much probably), classic vb has dropped out of the top 20 on the TIOBE index for the first time.
    Classic Visual Basic is back in the March top 20.

    This is probably more to do with the vagaries of Tiobe's methodology. In reality there is unlikely to be much change in the popularity of languages over one month.

    More noticable is that VB.Net shows as being as popular as C# (and some months more popular). That can't be right. And both VB.Net and C# show as being several times more popular than JavaScript - clearly that is nonsense.

    For VB6 and VB.Net I'd suggest this forum is a better guide to their popularity.
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    VB6 is back in MY top 20 - that's all that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yereverluvinuncleber View Post
    VB6 is back in MY top 20 - that's all that matters.
    Yes, still difficult to find anything better for Windows desktop development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VB6 Programming View Post
    Yes, still difficult to find anything better for Windows desktop development.
    I am now actively programming in both VB.NET and VB6 and VS/.NET 'feels' crippled in some way despite all of its advantages and improvements.

    Like the first version of a good film - VB6 just got it right and the later issues just did not hit the nail on the head.

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    Funny, I felt the same way, but in the other direction.

    The Tiobe index is not a measure of popularity, and it does not have an entry for Classic VB or VB6. People who think there is one are misinterpreting the data.
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    I do VB6 and VB.NET, VB.NET (and learning B4X, very intersting for Android) has some quite very intersting advantages, but VB6 IDE is far more (and I retain my word) quicker to develop etc..
    I think the actual world is tryng to assist as much as possible all users, and VisualStudio 2019 is so slow when writing code due to all assistance.

    But this is where we are, we don't have too much choices

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thierry69 View Post
    I do VB6 and VB.NET, VB.NET (and learning B4X, very intersting for Android) has some quite very intersting advantages, but VB6 IDE is far more (and I retain my word) quicker to develop etc..
    I think the actual world is tryng to assist as much as possible all users, and VisualStudio 2019 is so slow when writing code due to all assistance.

    But this is where we are, we don't have too much choices
    Agreed

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    NB : Some precision, I like VB6, and I can do nearly 99% of what I need to do, EXCEPT : Android, IOS, WEB app
    All the other need requirements I made them (quite powerfull one)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    The Tiobe index is not a measure of popularity, and it does not have an entry for Classic VB or VB6. People who think there is one are misinterpreting the data.
    Tiobe claim the index is "an indicator of the popularity of programming languages".

    The intention of the 'Visual Basic' entry in the Tiobe index is to show the popularity of VB6 and VBA (often referred to as 'Classic VB' - though VBScript and VB5 (and earlier) are excluded from this entry).

    And Tiobe do make an effort to weed out false positives. Amongst other things they check the first 100 pages of results from each of the 25 search engines used.

    Obviously the methodology used affects the results (as would any methodology). Tiobe's results favor languages that regularly have new releases (with a resultant surge in search hits) as opposed to languages such as VB6 (or Cobol or Fortran) which don't get such publicity.
    And possibly languages with more problems (therefore generating more posts) will appear as more popular.
    Though why JavaScript rates so low on Tiobe (other indexes typically have JS in the top 3) is a mystery, as is why VB.Net rates so highly.

    Of course, if you define popularity as being used "by many people" then VBA is probably the most popular programming language ever - Microsoft claim 1.2 billion users of Office, even if only 1% or 2% of those use VBA there would be 12-24 million users.

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