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Thread: which is the bigger failure ? xamarin VS asp.net MVC

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    which is the bigger failure ? xamarin VS asp.net MVC

    in this thread we are going to thoroughly roast those 2 awful products

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    Re: which is the bigger failure ? xamarin VS asp.net MVC

    But you can only vote for 1.........
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    Re: which is the bigger failure ? xamarin VS asp.net MVC

    And there are other, more significant travesties like .Net itself: the misbegotten creature that spawned both of these as well as so many other problems of Microsoft today.

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    Re: which is the bigger failure ? xamarin VS asp.net MVC

    Quote Originally Posted by bugsi View Post
    in this thread we are going to thoroughly roast those 2 awful products
    So what makes you consider these things a failure then?

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    Re: which is the bigger failure ? xamarin VS asp.net MVC

    I don't think either one is a failure. ASP.NET now means enough different things that I don't even know what fits under that umbrella anymore. Meanwhile, Xamarin has some significant flaws, but the very worst of them is the poor documentation. MS does documentation, so if all MS does with Xamarin is document it well, that may be enough to make Xamarin considerably more usable than it currently is. This version of Xamarin....isn't great. However, the next version might be.
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    Re: which is the bigger failure ? xamarin VS asp.net MVC

    I can't really be bothered watching a 16 minute youtube video about this, why do *you* think these products are a failure? What have you done with them that hasn't worked, been difficult etc.

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    Re: which is the bigger failure ? xamarin VS asp.net MVC

    A poor craftsman blames his tools.

    So far all I've seen out of your posts is a relentless desire for someone else to provide something you can copy-paste with zero thought. If it doesn't work, or if you have to display any initiative yourself, you declare it the product's fault.

    The thing you wanted to do in Android is a thing Android doesn't support. I showed you several articles discussing a workaround, most with examples. I never saw any evidence you even tried them, you just flailed your arms around and screamed "Xamarin is stupid".

    So I suggest you go use whatever the heck it is you think is better and let us all have the wool pulled over our eyes.
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    Re: which is the bigger failure ? xamarin VS asp.net MVC

    Quote Originally Posted by bugsi View Post
    in this thread we are going to thoroughly roast those 2 awful products


    Guys, don't fall for this. Judging from his post history, bugsi is simply frustrated at failing to solve an Android related problem in Xamarin. His view is heavily biased by his negative experience. This thread is him just lashing out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
    And there are other, more significant travesties like .Net itself: the misbegotten creature that spawned both of these as well as so many other problems of Microsoft today.
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    Re: which is the bigger failure ? xamarin VS asp.net MVC

    Actually shoot, I thought you quoted the same person twice.
    This answer is wrong. You should be using TableAdapter and Dictionaries instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sitten Spynne View Post
    Actually shoot, I thought you quoted the same person twice.
    lol....I just couldn't help poking at Dilettante a bit. He often enjoys lambasting MS when topics like this come up.
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    Re: which is the bigger failure ? xamarin VS asp.net MVC

    proove me wrong and solve it then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bugsi View Post
    proove me wrong and solve it then.
    lol.....either you're a very young person or some alt-right manchild. Either way you've just proven with that post that your capacity for logical, critical and objective thinking is severely diminished or in the case of an actual child, haven't developed yet. Either way, any attempt to help you, debate you or have any sensible discussion with you on this topic is utterly meaningless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niya View Post
    lol.....either you're a very young person or some alt-right manchild. Either way you've just proven with that post that your capacity for logical, critical and objective thinking is severely diminished or in the case of an actual child, haven't developed yet. Either way, any attempt to help you, debate you or have any sensible discussion with you on this topic is utterly meaningless.
    well you sound like a feminist, and you can't argue with me because I'm right.

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    Wow that's pretty ironic. I'm pretty sure I got in trouble once for calling Niya a misogynist, partially for using "feminist" as an insult. Now he's the level-headed one, but the both of you bickering back and forth isn't really productive.

    Neither is trying to answer your question further. I linked to documentation and suggestions but you were too busy throwing your toys around the room screaming to try it. I know it works in Xamarin Forms. I could whip that up in 5 minutes. But it took 10 posts to figure out you were using JUST Xamarin.Android.

    So I could spend 2 hours teaching myself enough to spend 3-5 hours writing a tutorial, or I could go home and drink margaritas until I think I'm a unicorn. Sometimes, I feel like if I do all that work the other person will make it all worth it. This isn't one of those times.

    There's gonna be sparkles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sitten Spynne View Post

    or I could go home and drink margaritas until I think I'm a unicorn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sitten Spynne View Post
    but the both of you bickering back and forth isn't really productive.
    In any other part of the forum this would be true, but this is Chit Chat, home of the banal, unproductive, exciting, provoking, fun and sometimes insane manifestations of the idle mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by bugsi View Post
    well you sound like a feminist, and you can't argue with me because I'm right.
    Nice try there bro. I'm a damn troll myself so I know when I'm dealing with one. Go back to Stormfront lmao.
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    Re: which is the bigger failure ? xamarin VS asp.net MVC

    Quote Originally Posted by Sitten Spynne View Post
    Wow that's pretty ironic. I'm pretty sure I got in trouble once for calling Niya a misogynist, partially for using "feminist" as an insult. Now he's the level-headed one, but the both of you bickering back and forth isn't really productive.

    Neither is trying to answer your question further. I linked to documentation and suggestions but you were too busy throwing your toys around the room screaming to try it. I know it works in Xamarin Forms. I could whip that up in 5 minutes. But it took 10 posts to figure out you were using JUST Xamarin.Android.

    So I could spend 2 hours teaching myself enough to spend 3-5 hours writing a tutorial, or I could go home and drink margaritas until I think I'm a unicorn. Sometimes, I feel like if I do all that work the other person will make it all worth it. This isn't one of those times.

    There's gonna be sparkles.
    c'mon man tell me how you got it to work, what do you mean "using JUST Xamarin.Android." what do I need to add ? where are the working documentations ?

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    Re: which is the bigger failure ? xamarin VS asp.net MVC

    Quote Originally Posted by bugsi View Post
    proove me wrong and solve it then.
    So, you can make a bald assertion and if we don't prove you wrong then you are right? Yeah... no. That's not really how it works. If you have nothing to back up the assertion in the first place then why would we think that there's anything worth disproving?

    Quote Originally Posted by bugsi View Post
    well you sound like a feminist, and you can't argue with me because I'm right.
    When someone says that you can't engage in logical and reasonable debate and that's your response, you're really just making their case for them. Why don't you just respond with "I know you are but what am I" and be done with it?

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    So, you can make a bald assertion and if we don't prove you wrong then you are right?
    Sounds kind of hairy to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bugsi View Post
    c'mon man tell me how you got it to work, what do you mean "using JUST Xamarin.Android." what do I need to add ? where are the working documentations ?
    If you don'r even know the difference between Xamarin.Android and Xamarin.Forms then you really don't know enough about the tools you are trying to use to be able to call them a failure. You don't even seem to have put forth any actual reasons or even mentioned MVC issues here. Not sure what your problem with either technology is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlausiblyDamp View Post
    If you don'r even know the difference between Xamarin.Android and Xamarin.Forms then you really don't know enough about the tools you are trying to use to be able to call them a failure. You don't even seem to have put forth any actual reasons or even mentioned MVC issues here. Not sure what your problem with either technology is.
    He gave up on trying to solve this. He is just releasing his anger at being unable to solve it by trolling the forums.
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    Re: which is the bigger failure ? xamarin VS asp.net MVC

    I see the solution now, it will take me about 1.5 years but, I will end this failure called xamarin.

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    Re: which is the bigger failure ? xamarin VS asp.net MVC

    I am no great fan of Xamarin, but I covered that earlier. However, in 1.5 years, MS will either make Xamarin much better, or cancel it. You needed stir yourself. Either way, MS will do it for you.
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    Re: which is the bigger failure ? xamarin VS asp.net MVC

    knowing MS, it is probable they will build upon the rotten foundation xamarin, just like they couldn't let go of Silverlight.
    they fail to understand there is a user at the other side of the product.

    MS marketing xamarin and it's byproducts is like lego marketing the lego death star without the build manual.
    it's like a jigsaw puzzle with missing pieces.

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    So go be successful with something else? There's no shortage of platforms.
    This answer is wrong. You should be using TableAdapter and Dictionaries instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sitten Spynne View Post
    So go be successful with something else? There's no shortage of platforms.
    yes, but it is not enough, it has become personnal

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    Re: which is the bigger failure ? xamarin VS asp.net MVC

    Quote Originally Posted by bugsi View Post
    Poll: who is the bigger failure?
    I'm sure I wouldn't be banned for answering this here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sitten Spynne View Post
    So go be successful with something else? There's no shortage of platforms.
    yes, but it is not enough, it has become personnal
    bugsi, when things become personal, laugh at yourself... alot. This helps personally. Also, your neighbors might help ya out by calling nice men in white coats, which is perfect because of the free medication they'll give ya! Woo-hoo!
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    If you read the book on Battle Programming, there's a chapter on how to destroy companies you don't like. Might be a tall order, in this case, though.
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    If you read the book on Battle Programming, there's a chapter on how to destroy companies you don't like. Might be a tall order, in this case, though.
    he hasn't released a new version in a long while, has he

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