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    Re: Breaking News, few guys in China wanna write a new basic language

    Quote Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
    Has anyone ever tried using Lazarus? That's about the best thing you could expect and it is pretty clunky.
    Yes I have tried it. But I use Lazarus CodeTyphon incarnation form PilotLogic. This one is quite smooth and usable. It comes with a very large library of LCLs.

    But when it comes to developing software commercially I prefer to use Delphi for building Linux and Mac OSX platforms using FMX as supplied with Delphi.

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    Re: Breaking News, few guys in China wanna write a new basic language

    vaporware
    Well, even Duke Nukem Forever made it to market eventually.

    That story does sound all too familiar though. Cross your fingers but don't hold your breath.
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    Re: Breaking News, few guys in China wanna write a new basic language

    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyDexter View Post
    Well, even Duke Nukem Forever made it to market eventually.

    That story does sound all too familiar though. Cross your fingers but don't hold your breath.
    I got it for free and was still disappointed

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    Re: Breaking News, few guys in China wanna write a new basic language

    So as a final follow up, I ended up purchasing CodeSMART by Axtools. It was pretty expensive, but the functionality is well worth it to me. It's cheaper than a subscription. The plug-in emulates the VS.NET IDE closely, but is still really fast, just like VB6. They've been in the game for a while, although the final version for VB6 was released in 2013. Code formatting is a dream, where you can actually specify how many blank lines you want after/before certain keywords. The analyzer is a comprehensive tool like we have in .NET. I just wanted to suggest it, since there is a free 30-day trial period to test it out. I will never go back to the old IDE now, I am hooked.

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    Re: Breaking News, few guys in China wanna write a new basic language

    Impressed that VB6ers are still so dedicated as to shell out that sort of cash at this stage. The toolset is very impressive. However that sort of expenditure is currently beyond me...

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    Re: Breaking News, few guys in China wanna write a new basic language

    Quote Originally Posted by yereverluvinuncleber View Post
    Impressed that VB6ers are still so dedicated as to shell out that sort of cash at this stage. The toolset is very impressive. However that sort of expenditure is currently beyond me...
    True. It may be about perspective too. I became a professional .NET developer while maintaining a VB6 code base from the beginning. In perspective VS 2017 pro is around $500. I bought VS6 for $125, plus $250 for the IDE upgrade. Although 2017 is a serious development tool, there are issues that make it less attractive. The additional expenses, licensing, certificates, and subscriptions are a big problem. The sluggishness and buggy quirks are another. One bug occurs often when you simply click the text editor of the IDE. It shows a nonsensical error code for no reason. The application installer often fails for no reason, even with a blank "hello world" project. It was time for me to leave the platform so I could continue to make powerful desktop applications. Since, I don't prefer to make those baby apps that run inside a sandbox on Windows 10. But there are still some net classes that are superior and well polished, so I decided to inter-op which extends the IDE in a different way by allowing new references to .net dll's. You would be surprised at how many new references show up once you register the interop dll that I posted here.

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    Re: Breaking News, few guys in China wanna write a new basic language

    I am jealous.

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    Re: Breaking News, few guys in China wanna write a new basic language

    -- I am writing my very own Director language and also have nearly finished it. sorry for the lateness in posting this, I am under the weather have a headache and also it's eight degrees outside, where I am
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    Do you wish to do unpaid work for me??? If so, the PM me on this Forum, and then we can get to work, programming for the future of computers go by the name of ThEiMp. This is my ghost writers name. Also my nickname, means that I am: The Imperial of the Technology Industry, so then to make it really short, I just then wrote: The Imp, which is where I get the nickname from...

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    Re: Breaking News, few guys in China wanna write a new basic language

    I am going to give that advanced text editor I have mentioned a plug as it is an impressive example of those projects that are created solely by one man.

    https://www.rj-texted.se/Forum/index.php

    The best thing about it (other than the fact it works, is really good, configurable, is supported &c &c) is that the man takes feature requests and implements them. You raise a request and if it is a good one and within his powers then he implements it within a short period of time. Having a non-zero forum is one good thing about the product, having a non-zero development team is even better. OK, he may only be one better than zero but compared to the VB6 IDE, one person allocated to development seems infinitely better than zero.

    Doesn't it get you down continuously working with a product that the main developer seems to despise? The positivity I get from receiving feedback from the developer is not something to be discounted.

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    Re: Breaking News, few guys in China wanna write a new basic language

    Not really a VB6 replacement but perhaps a step or two back in time with just one step forward. QB64 has received a graphical forms designer from a dev named Felippe Heitor. It was released as a beta and has undergone a few changes over the last year but is stable and works.

    "InForm’s main goal is to generate event-driven QB64 applications. This means that you design a graphical user interface with interactive controls and then write the code to respond to such controls once they are manipulated."

    http://www.qb64.org/inform/overview/

    It is a mere subset of what VB6 provided in terms of an IDE and compatibility with VB6 is not one of its aims. However, if you originally came to VB6 from QB45 then QB64 is not an unfamiliar place to code. With a real-working forms designer, QB64 is transformed from just a peculiarity, a kiddie's tool into a real working tool that generates multi-os compatibile programs.

    I am using QB64 now as a teaching aid.

    "My 10 year old boy is good at mathematics (he has one of those brains) and is learning mathematical concepts that I only grasped at 16-17. At school he was taught programming through one of those high-level event driven graphics programs and some exposure to some simple scripting but no 'real' programming was taught and similarly no exposure to real IDEs and environments.

    I wanted him to gain some exposure to BASIC programming methods as it really does lead to a 'basic' understanding of more advanced languages that he may encounter later on.

    So, I picked up QB64 as my experience with QB45 led me to believe that it would be a more friendly place to learn BASIC as a beginner, having a straight-forward IDE and good error handling. The result is also rapid and code creation and debugging is dynamic and quick. We have been making enjoyable progress with a program that is designed to insult his older brother in a variety of rude ways.

    We didn't want to start with a forms and event-driven method of creating programs as I felt it was simply too much for him to start with, after all I was attempting to stimulate his maths brain with programming concepts that extend mathematics to computers. Not to make him into a junior IDE designer.

    When I felt he had BASIC under his belt my next planned step was to be transition the program to a forms-driven basic and then start to expose him to event-driven programming, As such we had previously chosen the Firefly forms designer on top of Freebasic.

    Then I find 'Inform' and how thrilled am I? No need to migrate from QB64 to FreeBasic, I can build forms in Inform and demonstrate the integration of forms and form code when we feel the need. For the moment I am familiarising myself with Inform, building trial forms and seeing how they integrate with QB64. I am really rather impressed with Inform and I can see myself actually building real apps with the combination of QB64/Inform. Building real programs with QB in 2018? I can barely believe it. I can tell you now that I am thrilled.

    I can see more tools coming form this stable and I for one will welcome anything that arrives to enhance qb64 in a similar manner. Massively impressed, I am working my way, one by one through the programs submitted by users and enjoying each and everyone, so far calculator and the solar system simulator are on my desktop.
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    Apologies if you have seen QB64/Inform already and apologies for waking this thread from the dead.

    I know this does not help those that are hankering for a VB7 but in some way this is a spiritual successor/predecessor so it fits...
    Last edited by yereverluvinuncleber; Sep 16th, 2018 at 07:01 AM. Reason: added italics for the quotes

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    Re: Breaking News, few guys in China wanna write a new basic language

    Duplicated - sorry
    Last edited by yereverluvinuncleber; Sep 16th, 2018 at 07:09 AM. Reason: Duplicated - sorry

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    Re: Breaking News, few guys in China wanna write a new basic language

    To show Inform being used in anger, this is a fairly decent example:

    https://www.qb64.org/forum/index.php?topic=119.0



    Windows 10 removed the run dialog from the menu and here is a QB64/Inform replacement that does a 95% job of replacing it for Windows 10.

    Obviously if you are using WIN API calls your code won't be portable to other o/s but you have flexibility to do your own thing as you see fit.

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