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    Quote Originally Posted by dee-u View Post
    Wow, that is the first. If you are not using C# already perhaps you may want to try it now just to familiarize yourself with those curly braces, then Java will not be difficult, I will also do an application using it one of these days to enhance my basic skills.
    Well I wrote a lot of C++ code back when I used VB6 so I'm not unfamiliar with curly braces. I hate them but if one day I'm forced to endure them, I won't have a choice and I suspect I will become comfortable with them.

    Thing is, it's not really about the language alone. Its everything together provided by MS. I'm really hoping that I'm not forced one day to abandon Visual Studio and Windows as a development platform. It will be such a shame, I don't think there are better tools for app development than Visual Studio. And coding against the .Net Framework with Visual Studio+VB.Net is the best experience I've ever had as a developer. Its a perfect marriage of IDE, language, runtime and OS. Anything else would be a step backward.

    I doubt Android developers have any IDE comparable to Visual Studio or a language as expressive as C#/VB.Net or a Framework as robust, powerful and organized as .Net or a runtime as stable and flexible as the CLR.
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    C++ programmers will dismiss you as a cretinous simpleton for your inability to keep track of pointers chained 6 levels deep and Java programmers will pillory you for buying into the evils of Microsoft. Meanwhile C# programmers will get paid just a little bit more than you for writing exactly the same code and VB6 programmers will continue to whitter on about "footprints". - FunkyDexter

    There's just no reason to use garbage like InputBox. -jmcilhinney

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    It is funny because over on the other side of the fence they often mock Visual Studio as a usability disaster. I think everyone just gets "invested" in their tools. They tend to resist change and quibble over small things.

    Android Java developers have at least 3 mainstream IDE alternatives and a few minor players to choose from. This keeps competition alive which in turn drives innovation and improvement. There are even more alternatives for JVM (conventional Oracle) Java.

    I think the "B4-family" tools (Basic4android, B4J, very soon perhaps B4i) can be useful as a bridge to Java for Basic programmers. B4J is free so it gives you an alternative to MS Basics you can start with immediately. People are writing B4J programs and running them even on RaspberryPi controllers/miniPCs.

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    You might look at Third Party Dev Tools Strike Back for an entrenched Microsoft patriot's slow coming to grips with change.

    He's still desperately clinging to superstitious beliefs and trying to make lemonade from his .Net lemon even though he has the facts right before him. What he never mentions in his blog posts are how lousy the results produced by Xamarin are: bloated install packages, slow execution, high memory consumption, and lack of access to native platform features.

    However there is no telling whether Xamarin will continue to improve at doing what they do given time.
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    I've used some of those a bit. In general, there are some things that they all share, and all are ok to one extent or another. Essentially, an IDE is a word processor with some special formatting quirks. You can write .NET with Notepad if you are a masochist. What sets most IDE's apart from one another is how they handle the formatting quirks. VS does a nice job with that. Aside from the formatting, you need a debugger that is functional and the rest is gravy.

    Some people loved the VB6 IDE. Witis posted a link from some guy who hated all other VB variations because the IDE wasn't
    the VB6 IDE. He found the .NET IDE too complicated to deal with. That guy isn't alone. There's a petition over on user voice to change the .NET IDE so that you open each method individually in a code page. That seems totally insane to me, but the person who created the post talked in terms of the purity of one method at a time, and one method only. Open a new tab page if you want to edit a different method.

    What this tells me is: No IDE is best. There are so many differences of opinion out there that it's all down to personal opinion. After all, do people remember that thread in General Developer that linked to the crank running on about the evil of #Region directives being able to collapse code? He wasn't speaking about his preference, he was arguing that there was only one right way and anybody who felt differently wasn't a real coder. People are going to be dogmatic. I prefer to be cathartic, and RobDogg is apparently auto-magic (and Witis may be veggie-magic).
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    Re: VB6 is DEAD!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightwalker83 View Post
    How can a GUI be more complex than the hardware stuff?
    spoken like someone who has never written a GUI! :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    (and Witis may be veggie-magic).
    Wisis also casts anthropomorph-magic. A truly terrifying blend when melded with veggie-magic.
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    Now I know why the fireworks are gone, Schmidt is banned again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dee-u View Post
    Now I know why the fireworks are gone, Schmidt is banned again.
    I hope its not permanent. His condescending attitude and all his irrational VB6 fanboyism aside, he is an extremely knowledgeable individual. I enjoy reading many of his posts. It would be a terrible loss to this community if he was permanently gone.
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    C++ programmers will dismiss you as a cretinous simpleton for your inability to keep track of pointers chained 6 levels deep and Java programmers will pillory you for buying into the evils of Microsoft. Meanwhile C# programmers will get paid just a little bit more than you for writing exactly the same code and VB6 programmers will continue to whitter on about "footprints". - FunkyDexter

    There's just no reason to use garbage like InputBox. -jmcilhinney

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    Can any of the admins/moderators confirm if it is temporary or permanent?
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    I've known from looking at his profile that he is banned when I noticed he was not reacting to the 'DoEvents is evil' remark in the VB6 forums.
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    Re: VB6 is DEAD!

    Quote Originally Posted by dee-u View Post
    I've known from looking at his profile that he is banned when I noticed he was not reacting to the 'DoEvents is evil' remark in the VB6 forums.
    lol. You expected a response from him to that comment ?
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    C++ programmers will dismiss you as a cretinous simpleton for your inability to keep track of pointers chained 6 levels deep and Java programmers will pillory you for buying into the evils of Microsoft. Meanwhile C# programmers will get paid just a little bit more than you for writing exactly the same code and VB6 programmers will continue to whitter on about "footprints". - FunkyDexter

    There's just no reason to use garbage like InputBox. -jmcilhinney

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