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    Visual Studio 2013 Thoughts

    Since the preview release of Visual Studio 2013 is out I thought I'd create a thread for impressions both good and bad.

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    Visual Studio 2013 now has you log in with your microsoft account. It's looking like this will be to allow you to have a roaming profile so you only have to set up your environment once. I haven't tested this out yet as I've only installed it on my work system. Not sure what the impact will be since I run pretty close to the default install.
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    If MS want to make developers happy they should fire all those responsible for inflicting the Office-style "user experience" garbage on developers. Bland colors that cannot be easily changed, or stark minimalism that satisfies only some fine arts graduate who couldn't program a DVR. Ridiculous UI features. Oh and the obscenity that is WPF.

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    This makes me wonder what problems are there with VS2012 that MS did not tell us about. If it gets to the point that they release a new version of VS every year then what is the point in buying it as you'll only have it for 12 months then a new version will released with better tools, etc. On the other hand I hope this is not a Windows98/Windows 98 SE type of thing.
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    Re: Visual Studio 2013 Thoughts

    I'm a bit nervous about the speed of this release, too. I'm also a bit nervous about requiring a log in. If this is the first step towards an 'always on-line' model, that would be pretty bad for me. I'm trying to go in the opposite direction: Code from locations that you can barely reach with a sat phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightwalker83 View Post
    This makes me wonder what problems are there with VS2012 that MS did not tell us about. If it gets to the point that they release a new version of VS every year then what is the point in buying it as you'll only have it for 12 months then a new version will released with better tools, etc. On the other hand I hope this is not a Windows98/Windows 98 SE type of thing.
    Er, isn't this the anounced plan? Same as cranking out a new Windows every year or so?

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    Every two to three years seems about right. The only one year separation was between 2002 and 2003, and that was because 2003 fixed LOTS of things in 2002.
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    What wrong with you people blaming VS2012. I mean it has all these beautiful colors it has so many menus and is very fast. It's the return of W3.1 and psychedelia form Microsoft! Yooohooo!
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    Re: Visual Studio 2013 Thoughts

    I was kind of upset to see a VS 2013. I'm still using VS 2010 as my computer doesn't support 2012, will it get to the point where my Windows 7 computer won't be supported by VS 201x? I have to agree with Shaggy, is there some huge bug in 2012 that we don't know about? The quick release raises a lot of questions, that I think are only being asked on 3rd party forums like VBForums, D.I.C, etc.
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    Re: Visual Studio 2013 Thoughts

    Part of the reason for a new VS is the new Windows (8.1) coming out in late 2013. The preview release is already out:

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/preview


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    Well done.

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    Well if VS versions come out at the one-a-year clip from now on, they'll be like Pokemon: gotta buy 'em all!

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    I hate the fact that intellisense never worked as well as it does in VB6. I wish they would fix more bugs and get the basics right before trying to be all fancy with new features (that probably have some issues with them too lol).
    MS just released VS 2012 Update 3 and soon we will have a RTM of VS 2013, something definitely is up in Redmond.

    VS seems to be moving towards SaaS as is alot of software now-a-days. Oh well what can you do...
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    What makes you say that intellisense doesn't work as well? It's smooth as silk for me. Mind you, I haven't been coding as much as I used to so maybe I'm just not hitting the hiccups.
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    Re: Visual Studio 2013 Thoughts

    We tend to skip versions i.e. VS2008, skip VS2010, adapt VS2012. So far other than the dull IDE schema I have not had any problem with VS2012. We have no plans for using VS2013 but will tinker with it outside of mainstream projects.

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    Re: Visual Studio 2013 Thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    I'm a bit nervous about the speed of this release, too. I'm also a bit nervous about requiring a log in. If this is the first step towards an 'always on-line' model, that would be pretty bad for me. I'm trying to go in the opposite direction: Code from locations that you can barely reach with a sat phone.
    I agree with this, don't care for always online model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevininstructor View Post
    We tend to skip versions i.e. VS2008, skip VS2010, adapt VS2012. So far other than the dull IDE schema I have not had any problem with VS2012. We have no plans for using VS2013 but will tinker with it outside of mainstream projects.
    When I started programming VS2010 was out and available for Express, so that's what I used and still use today. I personally love it and can't imagine a better IDE.

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    I forgot that a friend gave me 2005 professional about 1/2 a year ago, but by then I've grown accustom to Linq. As far as the IDE in 2005, it seemed a little to 'buggy' for me in comparison to 2010. Like intellesence didn't pick up variables that where declared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dday9 View Post
    When I started programming VS2010 was out and available for Express, so that's what I used and still use today. I personally love it and can't imagine a better IDE.

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    I forgot that a friend gave me 2005 professional about 1/2 a year ago, but by then I've grown accustom to Linq. As far as the IDE in 2005, it seemed a little to 'buggy' for me in comparison to 2010. Like intellesence didn't pick up variables that where declared.
    No disagreement on VS2010 IDE, although we did not use it I used it personally. There are a few new editions in VS2012 I like which all have to do with writing WCF services, other than that I could easily work with VS2010 no problem. Never had any issues with VS2005 until VS2008 arrived with many welcome additions to the IDE and Framework.

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    What makes you say that intellisense doesn't work as well? It's smooth as silk for me. Mind you, I haven't been coding as much as I used to so maybe I'm just not hitting the hiccups.
    Since the first version of .NET when you edit a object's property that you already typed to change the property (for ex), it would never replace the old with the new properly and you would get a concatenation of the two.

    button.Text

    Then select the period and type a new period, select your new property from intellisense, .Name for ex, and then you end up with button.NameText


    Oh and I have been hitting issues with VS 2012 Premium every so often. Need to close it down and reopen to fix issues where I think VS is not clearing its cache and the bug persists even with the code change. Clear and build still error unless I restart vs and then its fine
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    Ah Rob, I get what you're saying. That is a little pet-peeve I have with intellisense. Generally what I do is instead of just deleting the period, I delete the whole property and retype the new property. Which isn't bad in most cases, just an annoyance.
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    Yea but in VB6 and earlier it works flawlessly. Why cant they get it right as they did it before. Its been 15+ years! lol
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    button.Text

    Then select the period and type a new period, select your new property from intellisense, .Name for ex, and then you end up with button.NameText
    Well, you're not doing it right! Why would you select the period if you're changing the property? It's madness! Madness, I tell you!

    Just position the caret somewhere within the property name, delete a letter to show that you want to change, select a new property from the pop-up!
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    Since the first version of .NET when you edit a object's property
    I've never noticed that. Haven't got Visual Studio here but I'll give it a try tonight.

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    LOL well to select the period and get the popup of intellisense so you can select which menu item you want is a viable method.
    Just goes to show you that .NET has bugs that never get fixes in over 10+ years

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    Re: Visual Studio 2013 Thoughts

    I use intellisense the same in .Net as I did in vb6 & as I still do in vba, takes too much precision to select just the period when you can backspace one of the letters of the property and start typing the new property and it fills in the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JuggaloBrotha View Post
    I use intellisense the same in .Net as I did in vb6 & as I still do in vba, takes too much precision to select just the period when you can backspace one of the letters of the property and start typing the new property and it fills in the rest.
    That's generally what I do too :]
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    In VS 2010, I found a bug, mainly in C++ cause I didnt try it in any other language, but the file path must be under...I beleve it was 123 characters or you'll get an error. I don't understand why they cant allow 256 at least, but if you are a major organizer like I am, this is BS. At least in VB6 I can bury the projects as deep as I want in my harddrive with no limit. Never had a problem yet. Long live VB6! .......even though I'm big on C++ now.

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