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    DuPont lures.

    There are records of some fish research being conducted by laying out det cord in a river and setting it off. I would guess that's it's more effective than electrofishing, but considerably more lethal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dclamp View Post
    Wasnt that busted on MythBusters
    From experience, at first I thought the fish was shot but on closer inspection I realised there was no bullet wound, so it must have died due to the pressure wave from shooting close to it. So you can definitely use a gun to shoot fish in the wild! By extension you might be able to kill a barrel/vase full of fish with a single shot if you create a large enough pressure wave!
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    Well if they are being hunted for food then i don't see any difference they are both animals that are being killed for human consumption and i will happily eat both.
    What no difference? You need to look closer!

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    If they are being hunted for fun/sport then a fisherman will tend to throw there catch back alive in many cases were as you cant exactly do that with a dear that you have shot :0)
    So you would shoot and eat the deer and throw back the fish???
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    Also there are no restrictions, you can even shoot pelagic fish!
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    No restrictions on what? Shooting fish is generally illegal in lots of states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    Shooting fish is generally illegal in lots of states.
    Surely not, it's too much fun! =D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    No restrictions on what?
    No restrictions in terms of what varieties of fish you can shoot, for example, if you happen to have a Great White infestation:


    Then glock fishing is the answer! 8D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Witis View Post
    What no difference? You need to look closer!

    no ethical difference in eating one over the other!!!

    So you would shoot and eat the deer and throw back the fish???
    Wow, How did you interpolate that from my posts? there is something fishy with your responses Witis, some might even say you sound deerlerious!!!

    Shooting fish is generally illegal in lots of states.
    Surely not, it's too much fun
    although it sounds like you are an expert Fish killer maybe you could give me some tips?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Witis View Post
    No restrictions in terms of what varieties of fish you can shoot, for example, if you happen to have a Great White infestation:
    There are restrictions in this state. You can only bow fish for carp and suckers, and hunting fish with a gun isn't legal in any way. Killing sharks is a bad idea anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeedSomeAnswers View Post
    Wow,
    Thank you. (^.^)

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    How did you interpolate that from my posts?
    I didn't interpolate, I quoted you directly! :Þ

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    there is something fishy with your responses Witis,
    No wai, there is nothing fishy in my response whatsoever, although I have to admit there is the smell of dead sharks in the air! :delectable:

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    some might even say you sound deerlerious!!!
    Just because I refuse to kill/eat deer does not make me deerlerious, and your response actually implies that you think that doing so is an ethically supportable position, in which case you should read, or reread, posts #218 and #224. (._.)

    Quote Originally Posted by NeedSomeAnswers View Post
    although it sounds like you are an expert Fish killer maybe you could give me some tips?
    That's easy all you have to do is remember to aim and then squeeze the trigger, oh and remember to make sure the safety is off! X-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    Killing sharks is a bad idea anyways.
    Don't agree at all, glock fishing for the win! 8D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Witis View Post
    Just because I refuse to kill/eat deer does not make me deerlerious, and your response actually implies that you think that doing so is an ethically supportable position, in which case you should read, or reread, posts #218 and #224. (._.)
    What two posts did you mean to suggest? The two that you list are almost totally random. You've hinted at ethics repeatedly, but not in 218, which is about The Deer Hunter, which had little to do with hunting deer, and some flippant comment about Deer Avenger. Those can't be the ones you meant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Witis View Post
    Don't agree at all, glock fishing for the win! 8D
    I gathered that you didn't agree. I don't know why, and I find that I'm not really curious. I think we ought to just leave it at a disagreement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    What two posts did you mean to suggest? The two that you list are almost totally random.
    Totally random, yes, they were the posts I was referring to. =^.^=

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    You've hinted at ethics repeatedly, but not in 218, which is about The Deer Hunter, which had little to do with hunting deer,
    If you read that sentence again, you will see that it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. :-P

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    and some flippant comment about Deer Avenger. Those can't be the ones you meant.
    Deer Avenger, yes, exactly. =)


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    Don't agree at all, glock fishing for the win! 8D
    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    I gathered that you didn't agree. I don't know why, and I find that I'm not really curious. I think we ought to just leave it at a disagreement.
    An absolute and total disagreement it is then!
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    Yeah, I ran together a description of the two posts, which made a muddle of the sentence.

    So, that really was what you meant? I think you ought to go back and re-read post #67, just for reference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    So, that really was what you meant? I think you ought to go back and re-read post #67, just for reference.
    I actually liked that post, in fact the first couple of pages are a good read, including Post #40.
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    I was picking a number at random, as you appeared to be doing. I then went back and saw what it was. I did like that clip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    I was picking a number at random, as you appeared to be doing. I then went back and saw what it was. I did like that clip.
    Ah no, the randomness I was referring to was the content. :Þ
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    I think I forgot to mention the Vienna conventions which include:

    "The Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (VCLT) is a treaty concerning the international law on treaties between states" and has been ratified by 113 states as of January 2013. "The Convention codifies several bedrocks of contemporary international law. It defines a treaty as 'an international agreement concluded between states in written form and governed by international law,' as well as affirming that 'every state possesses the capacity to conclude treaties.' Most nations, whether they are party to it or not, recognize it as the preeminent 'Treaty of Treaties'; it is widely recognized as the authoritative guide vis-à-vis the formation and effects of treaties."

    "The Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties between States and International Organizations or Between International Organizations (VCLTIO) is an extension of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties which deals with treaties between States. It was developed by the International Law Commission and opened for signature on March 21, 1986."

    "The Vienna Convention on Civil Liability for Nuclear Damage is a 1963 treaty that governs issues of liability in cases of nuclear accident. It was concluded at Vienna on 21 May 1963 and entered into force on 12 November 1977. The convention has been amended by a 1997 protocol. The depository is the International Atomic Energy Agency. As of May 2013, the convention has been ratified by 39 states."

    "The United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods (CISG) is a treaty that is a uniform international sales law. As of 6 March 2013, it had been ratified by 79 countries that account for a significant proportion of world trade, making it one of the most successful international uniform laws." "The CISG was developed by the United Nations Commission on International Trade Law (UNCITRAL), and was signed in Vienna in 1980."

    "The Vienna Convention for the Protection of the Ozone Layer is a Multilateral Environmental Agreement. It was agreed upon at the Vienna Conference of 1985 and entered into force in 1988. In terms of universality, it is one of the most successful treaties of all time, having been ratified by 196 states."

    "The United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances of 1988 is one of three major drug control treaties currently in force."
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    You left out the Vienna Convention on Sausages, which reads: The contents will never be discussed in any precise terms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker View Post
    You left out the Vienna Convention on Sausages
    which focuses on Harley Hog, Monty Python, and Wacko Mako fillings. \(^.^)/
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    I think I forgot to mention the Vienna conventions
    Now, I know Witis can be a bit random at the best of times, but am I the only one who can't see any relevance of vienese conventions to this thread. I mean, there's usually at least one throw away comment that someone's made to prompt his usual flood of links to wikipedia. This time... welll... nope, I've got no idea at all where this came from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyDexter View Post
    Now, I know Witis can be a bit random at the best of times, but am I the only one who can't see any relevance of vienese conventions to this thread. I mean, there's usually at least one throw away comment that someone's made to prompt his usual flood of links to wikipedia. This time... welll... nope, I've got no idea at all where this came from.
    I couldn't at all but I'm only half following at this point. I liked the sausage comment though

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    What a coincidence! Had the chance to watch Bowling For Columbine by Michael Moore last evening. I must say the guy has a way of putting things in perspective.

    People with guns kill people. Oh yeah! Then the remedy is eliminate people with guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by honeybee View Post
    What a coincidence! Had the chance to watch Bowling For Columbine by Michael Moore last evening. I must say the guy has a way of putting things in perspective.

    People with guns kill people. Oh yeah! Then the remedy is eliminate people with guns.
    Yeah...his prospective! Give me a camera and allow me to show only my side. And I agree that if a person commits a crime with a gun than eliminate that person from having a gun.

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    While I tend to agree with Michael Moore's politics I really don't like his books and films much. They're just so one sided and unrepresentative that they actually detract from the point. I've heard the argument that he's trying to counter the equally biased portrayals of the right wing elements of the American Media (CNN etc) but that's a pretty weak justification if you ask me.
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    Well, you could actually only eliminate guns from the equation, but then there would be no point to fight on, would there?
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    You could eliminate the people, but that would make the equation hard to solve.
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    Son! your not a homocidal maniac are you? because otherwise your neighbors are in big trouble!!

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    I wouldnt kill my neighbors. Thats too obvious. I would kill people who have no connection to me whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyDexter View Post
    Now, I know Witis can be a bit random at the best of times, but am I the only one who can't see any relevance of vienese conventions to this thread. I mean, there's usually at least one throw away comment that someone's made to prompt his usual flood of links to wikipedia. This time... welll... nope, I've got no idea at all where this came from.
    Also don't forget that currently Vienna is often viewed as the 'world's fourth "U.N city", after New York, Geneva, and The Hague' as it houses many U.N organisations including:
    The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe "the world's largest security-oriented intergovernmental organization. Its mandate includes issues such as arms control and the promotion of human rights, freedom of the press and fair elections. It has 550 headquarters staff and about 2300 field staff";
    The European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights;
    The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees;
    The United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs;
    The United Nations Industrial Development Organization;
    The United Nations Commission on International Trade Law;
    The Investigations Division of the United Nations Office of Internal Oversight Services;
    The International Money Laundering Information Network;
    The International Narcotics Control Board which is an "implementation of the United Nations drug conventions"; and
    The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime.

    Sources:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...fice_at_Vienna
    All men have an inherent right to life, the right to self determination including freedom from forced or compulsory labour, a right to hold opinions and the freedom of expression, and the right to a fair trial and freedom from torture. Be aware that these rights are universal and inalienable (cannot be given, taken or otherwise transferred or removed) although you do risk losing the aforementioned rights should you fail to uphold them e.g Charles Taylor; United Nations sources: http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/, http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Professional...ages/CCPR.aspx. Also Charles I was beheaded on the 30th of January of 1649 for trying to replace parliamentary democracy with an absolute monarchy, the same should happen to Dr Phil and Stephen Fry; source: http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.p...ute-Monarchism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dclamp View Post
    I wouldnt kill my neighbors. Thats too obvious. I would kill people who have no connection to me whatsoever.
    They'd have a connection: They'd be the people you killed.
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    Re: Bought my first Gun

    Is that a tricky question.

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