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    The i-pad has been released today morning.
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    I'm just waiting for the pricing ... naturally they are hyping it up, holding the shocker for the very end.

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    iPad looks pretty disappointing to me. I thought they were going to make it a computer... instead it's a giant iPod Touch, awesome!

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    I'm just waiting for the pricing ... naturally they are hyping it up, holding the shocker for the very end.

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    Re: Itís the first hands-on review of the Apple Tablet!

    Not quite:
    Wi-Fi-only iPad prices: $499 (16GB), $599 (32GB), $699 (64GB)
    Add $130 for 3G... so the top end is $829...

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    Re: Itís the first hands-on review of the Apple Tablet!

    Quote Originally Posted by techgnome View Post
    Not quite:
    Wi-Fi-only iPad prices: $499 (16GB), $599 (32GB), $699 (64GB)
    Add $130 for 3G... so the top end is $829...

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    Not too bad, but still can't compete with Netbook prices. I reserve judgement of whether this is a viable tool until the next mobile OS release which will probably not be shown until Apple's developer conference. This thing REALLY needs multi tasking. More so than the iPhone/iPod Touch.

    As is currently this does possibly put a dent in Kindle and Nook sales and may do well for no techies who just want a simple cheap mobile system.
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    I would say if some hardware vendors can get a nice device together to run Windows 7 with its multitouch and other nice features (like it being a real computer OS) then it would service the "tablet" market much better than this device.

    Who really wants to lug around a giant iphone.. we were going in the direction of making things smaller for a while, but now it looks like apple is trying to take all their small device success and just create them in bigger form factor.
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    Re: Itís the first hands-on review of the Apple Tablet!

    Quote Originally Posted by kleinma View Post
    I would say if some hardware vendors can get a nice device together to run Windows 7 with its multitouch and other nice features (like it being a real computer OS) then it would service the "tablet" market much better than this device.
    It will service the techie tablet market. But just sticking Windows 7 on a tablet will not do anything for the consumer market which is where Apples focus is here.
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    If I'm to be completely honest, I was intrigued about what Apple's idea of a tablet PC was and if it would be better than Microsoft's offering. So when I found out it was an enlarged version of the iPhone with no multi-tasking, no Flash (for at least playing flash games off the internet) and not the true Mac OS X software on it, I was disappointed immediately.

    Even as a "cheap" gimmick, it even lacks the bloody camera. My Eee PC 1000HE was £300 and still has more functionality than the iPad (which has a horrible name).

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    Quote Originally Posted by kleinma View Post
    I would say if some hardware vendors can get a nice device together to run Windows 7 with its multitouch and other nice features (like it being a real computer OS) then it would service the "tablet" market much better than this device.
    I hadn't heard of this until today, but Microsoft's Courier looks far more interesting to me than the iPad. It's still not a "real computer OS," but the concept is practical and appealing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kregg View Post
    If I'm to be completely honest, I was intrigued about what Apple's idea of a tablet PC was and if it would be better than Microsoft's offering. So when I found out it was an enlarged version of the iPhone with no multi-tasking, no Flash (for at least playing flash games off the internet) and not the true Mac OS X software on it, I was disappointed immediately.

    Even as a "cheap" gimmick, it even lacks the bloody camera. My Eee PC 1000HE was £300 and still has more functionality than the iPad (which has a horrible name).
    As a computer, I agree. But looking at this as a consumer appliance, this is actually a fairly nice little device. This is the stuff Bill Gates was talking about years ago. As far as multi tasking, I have a very strong suspicion it will come in the next major point release of the iPhone OS.

    I hadn't heard of this until today, but Microsoft's Courier looks far more interesting to me than the iPad. It's still not a "real computer OS," but the concept is practical and appealing.
    I so hope we get what we see in those videos. Courier looks tasty. And BTW it would be a 'real OS'(probably Win7) just like the iPhone OS is a 'real OS'. Do not confuse visuals with operating system.
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    Do not confuse visuals with operating system.
    Sometimes words are not used literally (hence the quotes). I was not (nor do I think kleinma was) unaware that the iPhone OS is indeed a real OS. But it can't do the things I like to see in my "real OS" - install what I want (not just what is granted to me from the appstore), true customization, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SambaNeko View Post
    Sometimes words are not used literally (hence the quotes). I was not (nor do I think kleinma was) unaware that the iPhone OS is indeed a real OS. But it can't do the things I like to see in my "real OS" - install what I want (not just what is granted to me from the appstore), true customization, etc.
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    Apple have moved into the female hygiene product market So you use this once a month, on a bright side it's probably scented.
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    On the ipod touch, I can't go into safari, download a word document, and edit it. If the ipad also can't do this, it is worthless.

    I want a file system where I can download, create, and store files in. The ipod doesn't have that. The ipad probably doesn't either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow_Raider View Post
    On the ipod touch, I can't go into safari, download a word document, and edit it. If the ipad also can't do this, it is worthless.

    I want a file system where I can download, create, and store files in. The ipod doesn't have that. The ipad probably doesn't either.
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    Well, the iWorks suite of apps is available and was running during the demo. So there's got to be some kind of file storage system.

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    As a computer, I agree. But looking at this as a consumer appliance, this is actually a fairly nice little device. This is the stuff Bill Gates was talking about years ago. As far as multi tasking, I have a very strong suspicion it will come in the next major point release of the iPhone OS.
    Even as a consumer appliance it is a joke. Lets look at how it can be perceived by a customer:

    As an eBook reading device: It supports books, but what is the price of these books, and how big is the library of books for the device? I'd be interested in the Kindle if only for one reason - it is backed by Amazon, one of the largest online booksellers. I am bound to find a book that I like, a book that I never got round to reading, and/or the latest book release by any publisher.

    As an internet browsing device: Again, it does the job well considering that the Safari app on the device is a straight port of the iPhone, but redone for the big screen (i.e. unique features of Safari found in Mac OS X will probably not be found in here like plugin support etc). But you have to consider this (for the US at least): If you can live with WiFi only, that is fine, but WiFi isn't everywhere, so 3G would be ideal. But that means having another monthy fee just for the privilege of having internet access. And in the US, the plan is with AT&T, who are currently having problems dealing with the 3G data coming from iPhone 3G(S) alone, let alone the iPad. If you have an iPhone or a smartphone that is capable with internet access and it currently has done the job for you so far, then you are better off sticking with a device that has internet and phone capabillities.

    As a video playing device: It is nice that there is a feature to actually good use of the large screen, but 16GB is too small, especially when it comes to videos. Apple do provide more space, but then the price enters the really uncomfortable range for using the device for playing videos or watching HD films. Again, if you have an iPhone, this does the job for you, albeit in eye-strain-o-vision.

    As a game console: I thought the idea of playing on the iPhone was unappealing due to lack of hardware buttons, but I can understand for some people that they may like the iPhone's game offerings. However, I can't say the same for a device that is 10". The games that are out for the thing are probably iPhone based apps, which means it probably isn't optimised for the thing. And anyways, lets look at the current gaming devices that will be out on the market:
    PSP 3000: $170
    PSP Go: $242
    DS Lite: $130
    DSi: $170
    iPod Touch (8GB version): $184
    iPhone 3G (8GB, with $30/month data plan): $99
    iPad (Wifi only): $500.

    Does that look appealing? Especially given the iPod Touch basically does everything the iPad does and looks better.

    For working: If you are fine with working on a virtual keyboard, then you'll probably like the idea of the iPad. The problem is that it is basically a crippled version of the Mac OS X version, which if it were me, it would get to me a couple of months down the line. Not only that, but I tend to open up multiple documents at a time - and since this thing does not support multi-tasking (and I seriously doubt they will bring that in the next OS release. A feature like that I presume would take a whole change of the core OS, which could mean the apps from the App Store could no longer be backwards compatible - which is a big killer for the iPhone and its millions of apps), the lack of multi-tasking means I can't view my PDFs with my word documents as well as having my university's moodle site open to check what my lecturer has said about a certain question. Even still, the lack of physical keyboard makes the iWork a DOA app for me (I use the control. I appreciate not everyone works like this and/or can work absolutely fine with the iPad, but one has to remember the iWorks app isn't preinstalled on the laptop, and from what I've read, you will have to pay for each app (i.e. Word, Powerpoint, etc equivalents will have to be purchased seperately).

    In all cases: If you want a specific feature, then $500 at least is a lot to ask for. If you are talking an all rounder, then the closest thing to this device (and I mean closest) is the iPod touch, which is $184. You are shelling out $316 for a bigger screen for apparently a better internet viewing experience, support for book reading with an unknown library database, a questionable work device, and a better video watching playback experience - and bear in mind the cheapest version doesn't even come with 3G, and if you do get the 3G option, that's another monthly payment being taken from your bank. I'm a student, and if I was forced to choose an Apple product to buy out of the iPhone, the iPod touch, or the iPad (and if shooting myself wasn't an option), then I'd go for the iPod touch simply because it is a smaller, more useful clone of the iPad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kregg View Post
    In all cases: If you want a specific feature, then $500 at least is a lot to ask for. If you are talking an all rounder, then the closest thing to this device (and I mean closest) is the iPod touch, which is $184. You are shelling out $316 for a bigger screen for apparently a better internet viewing experience, support for book reading with an unknown library database, a questionable work device, and a better video watching playback experience - and bear in mind the cheapest version doesn't even come with 3G, and if you do get the 3G option, that's another monthly payment being taken from your bank. I'm a student, and if I was forced to choose an Apple product to buy out of the iPhone, the iPod touch, or the iPad (and if shooting myself wasn't an option), then I'd go for the iPod touch simply because it is a smaller, more useful clone of the iPad.
    Instead of answering all your points, I will just address this last paragraph as it sums up exactly the problem you have understanding how this is a consumer device. I don't mean for that sound as harsh as it does. So don't take that as an attack. The main point being, you think like a techie. That is not a bad thing, it is just the wrong way to think about this device.

    You, as many other people, are too focused on seperate features and saying X device can do X better and cheaper. Y device can do Y better and cheaper. Well what device can do X and Y and Z very well for what is not very expensive AND be an enjoyable experience? That is the question you should ask as that is the important one. Sure you say the iPod Touch can do all those things cheaper, but have you tried reading a book on an iPod Touch? While the iPod Touch is great for on the go little device for quickly checking on web sites or other bits of media and data, something bigger is WAY better for experiencing that media. Especially around the house. And around the house is more the focus of this device anyway. While it is mobile, it is still focused on being a device you can easily take anywhere in the house. I will touch back on this point later to discuss why this is important and how it changes your average consumer computing experience. I want to get to some of the other things first.

    To address your issue about eBooks, Apple is working with the majors of book publishing like Harper Collins and Simon and Schuster. Those are not the only ones. They mentioned at least 5 or 6 publishers. And the prices are actually very competetive to the Amazon store. In the event keynote you can see prices ranging from $4.99 to $14.99. $14.99 being new releases. They are also in the ePub format so before anyone starts shouting about proprietary formats, they can stop now. This certainly makes buying from the Apple book store much more attractive over Amazons proprietary AZW format. And if the Amazon and B&N book stores still 'float your boat' there are iPhone/iPod Touch versions of their apps available in the App Store that should work on the iPad.

    The 3G point really isn't worth addressing. How many devices of this size come with 3G? And when a USB connected 3G modem can cost up to and over $200, that point loses any meaning in the discussion and makes using the 3G models of the iPad as a comparisson point against devices without 3G pure spin. And in particular when you are using the iPod Touch as a comparison point that does not have 3G, let alone away to attach 3G to it at all.

    To understand what is important about this, you have to go back many years to Bill Gates' book "The Road Ahead" as well as many of his CES keynotes back in the day. He was all about the internet appliance. Devices for the consumer for the consumption of the internet and our media. And that is what we are getting. Not a computer. But an appliance. This is the kind of device the average consumer will get a lot of use out of around the house. Imagine this. A device that docks to a keyboard for working on your financials, writing letters, or other productivity task at your home office. When you are done, undock it and either dock it to your TV to watch movies off the device, or keep it in your lap on the couch to browse the web while watching NBC. Need to go drop your kids off at the Super Bowl (metaphor alert ), take it with you to the bathroom to read a book. Add in the possiblites of mobile gaming AND the quite real possiblity due to new APIs in the latest SDK that a dock could be created to play the games on your TV where the dock handle the control inputs and pushing the game display to your TV. And yeah I know, netbooks are cheaper and can do all that too. Well can you do all that and have it be an actual enjoyable experience? Every try reading an eBook on a netbook in the bathroom or on the couch? Ever try playing a game on a netbook on the couch? Not exactly ideal. The netbook is great, on a desk, but the experience is far from ideal.

    Again, and I cannot stress this enough, this is a consumer focused computing appliance. Not a tech geek toy and not a computer. I hope none of that came off as too much of an attack on anyone. That was not the intention. Just saying geeks think like geeks. You need to think like your customer to understand the usefulness of this device to them. They need easy access. They need slick interfaces. They need one stop locations for all their media purchases. We may not need it, but many consumers do.

    Last point I want to make, is reserve final judgement on this device until at least WWDC. I am fairly sure the next major point release of the iPhone OS (4.0) will be shown off then. As of now the iPad is only running a minor point release (3.2). This event was just to show off the basics of the device.
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    You need to think like your customer to understand the usefulness of this device to them.
    Ah, the good old, "this wasn't intended for you, so your opinions are invalid."

    I don't really care to speculate about the mass market success or failure of this thing, but I feel it does show a failure to innovate - something Apple usually does well. I have a co-worker who's a Mac fan and he would go on and on about all this neat stuff the Apple tablet was going to have. He - like everyone else I've heard from - was disappointed by iPad. It's just a big iPod Touch.

    That disappointment is really palpable amongst geeks right now. Geeks who learn about these products first, and could be hyping it from the get-go. But won't.

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    Ah, the good old, "this wasn't intended for you, so your opinions are invalid."

    I don't really care to speculate about the mass market success or failure of this thing, but I feel it does show a failure to innovate - something Apple usually does well. I have a co-worker who's a Mac fan and he would go on and on about all this neat stuff the Apple tablet was going to have. He - like everyone else I've heard from - was disappointed by iPad. It's just a big iPod Touch.

    That disappointment is really palpable amongst geeks right now. Geeks who learn about these products first, and could be hyping it from the get-go. But won't.
    Geeks were dissapointed in the iPod, the iPhone, the GUI, and the mouse too. I have actual history to back up my points.
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    Well, true that I don't really keep a historical log of geek disappointment, and your silly empirical evidence of fickle feelings interests me not! Personal memory does not serve for the GUI, the mouse or the [original?] iPod, but I recall plenty of enthusiasm over the iPhone, plenty of gushing, plenty of geeks declaring, "I want this."

    But my only real point was iPad is disappointingly lacking in the innovation department.

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    After reading this:
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    I think I'm going to pass... no ports? No USB? No card reader? And it wobbles when you put it flat on a desk surface? Better off with a Mac Book... the only advantage I can see with the iPad is the 3G ... but then I can buy a 3G USB connector if I need to. Had there been at least one USB port and a card reader.... and maybe a different OS interface other than the iPhone one.... maybe...

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    Well, true that I don't really keep a historical log of geek disappointment, and your silly empirical evidence of fickle feelings interests me not! Personal memory does not serve for the GUI, the mouse or the [original?] iPod, but I recall plenty of enthusiasm over the iPhone, plenty of gushing, plenty of geeks declaring, "I want this."

    But my only real point was iPad is disappointingly lacking in the innovation department.
    Interesting how you almost make it sound like being old enough to have a historical perspective is a bad thing and that empirical evidence is silly despite being a valid hypothetical model. But that is your right I guess.

    And yes there was mass attack from the geek community of the iPhone. You can't do REAL work on it. No one wants to use a touchscreen. No file system. etc. Sounds familiar doesn't it? The only reason it is louder now is because all eyes have been on Apple since January 2007 with the introduction of the iPhone.

    And yes. The iPad is not revolutionary innovative. It is evolutionary. Doesn't change anything I have said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by techgnome View Post
    After reading this:
    http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterso...stionsanswers/

    I think I'm going to pass... no ports? No USB? No card reader? And it wobbles when you put it flat on a desk surface? Better off with a Mac Book... the only advantage I can see with the iPad is the 3G ... but then I can buy a 3G USB connector if I need to. Had there been at least one USB port and a card reader.... and maybe a different OS interface other than the iPhone one.... maybe...

    -tg
    I agree with you for the most part, but just FYI, Apple has a dock connector to USB and dock connector to SD card adaptors for the iPad. The call it the camera adaptor for hooking up your camera to the iPad, but I would wait and see how, and if, 3rd parties start supplying support to use that port in their apps. The API to use the dock connector for accessories was opened some time ago but no one has really taken advantage of it as of yet.
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    Interesting how you almost make it sound like being old enough to have a historical perspective is a bad thing and that empirical evidence is silly despite being a valid hypothetical model.
    If I'm prefixing "silly" to "empirical evidence," I am either an idiot or joking (I thought the alliteration was a dead giveaway too...). Or both. Your choice, but suffice to say I think you're taking me both far too literally and seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SambaNeko View Post
    If I'm prefixing "silly" to "empirical evidence," I am either an idiot or joking (I thought the alliteration was a dead giveaway too...). Or both. Your choice, but suffice to say I think you're taking me both far too literally and seriously.
    Fair enough. I just get very passionate about technology. I am sorry if I took you out of context.
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    I agree with you for the most part, but just FYI, Apple has a dock connector to USB and dock connector to SD card adaptors for the iPad. The call it the camera adaptor for hooking up your camera to the iPad, but I would wait and see how, and if, 3rd parties start supplying support to use that port in their apps. The API to use the dock connector for accessories was opened some time ago but no one has really taken advantage of it as of yet.
    The problem with that is that it's ONE more additional cost... Might as well spring for a MacBook at that point... or a netbook, or.... what ever.

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    The problem with that is that it's ONE more additional cost... Might as well spring for a MacBook at that point... or a netbook, or.... what ever.

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    I know. But still the potential is there. Whether that potential is realized, that is a subject for the future.
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    Re: Itís the first hands-on review of the Apple Tablet!

    That the same as vapor ware as Vaporware only for hard ware as far as I'm concerned. I can claim it will do anything so it has great potential
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    Here's the changes I'd probably make to it:
    Flatten the back so it doesn't wobble when you type on a desk surface.
    Add a couple USB Ports, a firewire and an SD Card reader.
    Add in a HDMI port, and the externals are good to go.
    Next, to address the OS, I'd make it run OS X AND the iPhone interfaces. A simple switch, or an option setting, and you can switch back and forth. Oh, hey look at that.... development AND testing in one package... hmm... Naturally, it'll restart in what ever mode I left it off in.
    Might even toss in BlueTooth just for kicks.

    Orrr.... I'll just use my laptop, which has nearly all of that already (except for the OS).

    I think the idea might have been right, but the execution of that idea fell flat.

    I think they may have missed the mark big time with this one.

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    Re: Itís the first hands-on review of the Apple Tablet!

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    That the same as vapor ware as Vaporware only for hard ware as far as I'm concerned. I can claim it will do anything so it has great potential
    Nope. Learn what vaporware means. Seeing the potential of a device and what could be done with the hardware via the software is supposed to be what a programmer does.

    techgnome. It does support Bluetooth. What I have been told, this is unconfirmed, that you can pair bluetooth keyboards to this thing. And now that there is an API for accessing a shared storage area, we may see bluettooth file transfer. All maybes of course, but again the pieces are there. Agreed on most your other points except the OS X part because it would still be on a different architecture and therefore doesn't mean your existing apps will just work on it.
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    Re: Itís the first hands-on review of the Apple Tablet!

    I spoke to my eldest sister today, who is not a techie. When she saw the iPad, she loved it. No matter how many negative points I threw at her, she still wanted to own a iPad... that was until I explained to her it has no flash and no camera.

    Now she is so disappointed with the iPad. I feel bad, like I've just kicked a puppy. At least her bank balance will thank me.

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    I know what vapor ware is. My point is I consider it the same for this. Oh well we missed the mark but just think of what we can do.
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