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[Gary.Lowe]

Hi all

I'm sorry but this is really pi*$ing me off

Last week not far from me an old women either in her 80's or 90's was raped by some sicko 'RAPED'.

Now he has probably got about 15 years in jail for it.

Now!

HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS
Say these people should be given a decent lifestye while inside


BOLLOXS

People who commit crimes such as these and are convicted whith no shadow of a doubt (DNA testing and such) should be executed.

Why should I and other decent people pay to keep these animals alive and then carry on paying when they get out (Social Security and such).

[Ianpbaker]

Right on Brother

[Paul Warren]

Totally agree with you Gary. If there's DNA evidence then people like that should be shot. Simple. There's no defense and frankly society could do without people like that. I'm not saying all criminals should be tortured or anything but some crimes are just beyond comprehension to the average joe.

my bit for democracy.

[simonm]

Why is someone like that?

Are they not just by-products of our society?

Should we not be looking inwards to try to find out what characteristics of society lead a small number of individuals to become phycopathic criminals and the like?

Executing the 'sicko' might give us a sense of justice and revenge but it doesn't really address the problem of why he was like that in the first place. Indeed, it does nothing to prevent other people like him re-offending (as they are phycopathic and think with warped logic).

As far as prisoners are concerned generally, the idea (and I know we are far from achieving perfection) is to re-habilitate criminals so that they can (eventually) resume their place in society amd then you won't have to keep paying for their benefits.

[Arbiter]

Destroy them. And bill their family for the bullet.

All these 'bleeding heart liberals' do my head in.

Gary/Ian,

Think we should start up a UK Vigilante group?

[Arbiter]

SimonM,

There can be no re-offending if they're dead...

And I don't think we should be providing excuse for people like that. They're just a product of our society? Well, our rules of society state that you shouldn't rape pensioners.

You may change your tune if that was your Grandmother that was raped....

[Paul Warren]

People like that are so far from the norm that they will never be anything but a SERIOUS risk to society. Shoot them and have done. Hell, at least they'll get a quick death which is more than the victims families would give 'em.

[simonm]

I'm not making excuses for people like that.

I just don't think we (as society) can completely absolve ourselves of the responsibility for this sort of thing happening.

I admit that 'executing' someone who has committed those sort of crimes might seem like the best thing to do but aren't we all missing the point?

Everyone focuses on how good/badly prisoners should be treated. I say, let's focus on prevention. i.e. How can we change society to prevent these 'misfits' from occurring.

[parksie]

To change society we can nuke our f*****g society

Everyone says "it's society's fault". Yeah, it is, because they didn't lock them up earlier! Some people are, by their very nature, incapable of preventing themselves doing things like this.

And rapists...well...if they weren't such sad excuses for people they'd have a girlfriend who they could have sex with when they wanted, and I'm sure they'd enjoy it a lot more

[Arbiter]

SimonM,

They chose their own path through life. They chose to rape/murder their victims.

They should stand and fall by their actions.

[Gary.Lowe]

I know we had find the cause behind this and most criminals are rehabilitated

BUT

There is a high percentage of criminals that reaffend constantly.

There was contraversy lately about courts be able to use previous criminal history in trials.

This should have been brought in long ago.

And why have some people opposed this?

Surely a jury that is more than capable and given the right of convicting sombody for a crime based on evidence can be shown previous criminal charges and still give a fair and just verdict.

A while ago in manchester a man was given 18 months in jail and banned for driving for mowing down a youg boy while under the influence of alcahol.

In the same court a man was jail for 3 years for breaking into a house and stealing a microwave.

WHAT'S THAT ALL ABOUT.

OH YES

The father of the dead child was jailed for I think it was 3-5 years for shooting his sons killer (not dead unfortunately) when he was released 18 months later.

[simonm]

And rapists...well...if they weren't such sad excuses for people they'd have a girlfriend who they could have sex with when they wanted, and I'm sure they'd enjoy it a lot more

Infact, most rapists don't rape out of sexual desire. It is usually a power or domination thing.

Everyone says "it's society's fault". Yeah, it is, because they didn't lock them up earlier!

How earlier do you want to go back? Back to when they were children?

It's a lot easier to direct all anger at the perpetrators of these crimes than to look for the causes of these crimes.

People make judgements about other people based on themselves (and their own standards). Everyone is different and experiences different aspects of society. You cannot know (simply by self reflection) what makes these people do what they do.

[Jamagei]

But is society to blame? one of the biggest questions asked about this sort of thing happening is : is it nuture or nature.

I mean is it that these people are born with this mental defect and if they were there would be nothing society could do to prevent this unless they figured out which genes made someone turn out that way, i mean if a baby had the capacity to be very very intelligent but was brought up in a backwards family that didn't let him/her express themselves would they still become intelligent? If all babies were screened for defects that would be called an invasion of privacy.

Then on the other hand can genes really affect the way that we think, if not then it must have been the upbringing of these people, now do you blame society or the parents. after all it is the parents are generally with them when they are at their most impressionable. Are all children just blank canvases waiting for someone to paint on their personalities?

[Arbiter]

SimonM,

You cannot know (simply by self reflection) what makes these people do what they do.

Nothing makes them - they do it of their own accord....

[Behemoth]

If a dog bites a child (something it is bred to do) it is instantly destroyed.

[simonm]

They chose their own path through life. They chose to rape/murder their victims.

They should stand and fall by their actions.

I agree with the above statement.

I believe that the behaviour of society manifests itself in the behaviour of individuals. We are all part of the a wider society (unless you're a hermit) and to believe that anyone is immune to the effects of society is deluding them selves.

Perhaps if society wasn't so full of philisophical contradictions and didn't fail so many young impressionable people we wouldn't be in this mess!

[Arbiter]

As far as I'm concerned, they make their own decisions and should stand or fall by them.

Blame society all you like, but at the end of the day, it was their call.

Do I rape, don't I rape?

It's their decision at the crucial moment and they should pay the penalty for making the morally wrong choice.

[simonm]

I know this is a long running debate but surely the truth of the matter lies somewhere in the middle.

I know many people are born with agressive tendancies but if these people are handled appropriately (at an early age) these might be channelled into legitimate pursuits.

We live in a society that on one hand promotes 'Survival of the fittest', 'dog eat dog', 'look out for number one' and 'Im alright Jack' principles and on the otherhand promotes caring, compassion, cooperation and putting others before ourselves.

That is just one of the many absurdities that underly 'western' society.

[Behemoth]

Originally posted by simonm
I know this is a long running debate but surely the truth of the matter lies somewhere in the middle.

I know many people are born with agressive tendancies but if these people are handled appropriately (at an early age) these might be channelled into legitimate pursuits.

We live in a society that on one hand promotes 'Survival of the fittest', 'dog eat dog', 'look out for number one' and 'Im alright Jack' principles and on the otherhand promotes caring, compassion, cooperation and putting others before ourselves.

That is just one of the many absurdities that underly 'western' society.

perhaps, but who's going to clear up when this doesn't happen?

[Jamagei]

Originally posted by simonm
I know this is a long running debate but surely the truth of the matter lies somewhere in the middle.

I know many people are born with agressive tendancies but if these people are handled appropriately (at an early age) these might be channelled into legitimate pursuits.

We live in a society that on one hand promotes 'Survival of the fittest', 'dog eat dog', 'look out for number one' and 'Im alright Jack' principles and on the otherhand promotes caring, compassion, cooperation and putting others before ourselves.

That is just one of the many absurdities that underly 'western' society.

surely though what you are saying there is that it is how they are brought up. What you are saying is not 'lying in the middle'. this is exactly what is happening now, in effect. people who might be aggressive are handled properly and they might be good or bad.

[Arbiter]

Kill them.

Kill them all.

If they commit a crime, destroy them. Don't debate it, don't cry or waver. Just destroy them and be done.

The world would be a much safer place to live.

[Jamagei]

Really? you don't think that all the people who would be employed to kill all the evil people wouldn't get a taste for killing and therefore turn them into evil people, then we would have to employ more to kill the other evil ones then they would turn evil and we would have to employ some more... you get the picture... evil begets evil killing everyone wouldn't make us better people, it would make society safer but worse.

[paulw]

Blimey, hope I don't get wrongly convicted of a crime with you guys around. Chill boys...

Moral excess by others does not allow us to relax our own moral standards. People in glasshouses...

Cheers,

P.

[simonm]

What I am saying is that I don't believe either nature or nurture entirely shapes a human being. It is a combination of both.

I will say this however:

Executing murderers (and the like) might make you feel better but if you really think it makes the world a safer place to live in then you are gravely mistaken.

It seems to me that 95% of the public's attention is drawn towards what to do with dangerous criminals once they've been caught. Only 5% is directed towards the prevention of these crimes happening in the first place.

You can do what you like to the captured phycopath (execute or imprison for life) but it won't make it any less likely that heneous crimes will be committed (by others) in the future.

It is (probably) to late to do anything this guy now he's caught. There are many more 'waiting in the wings' that we should be concerned about. Many of these, I believe, can be averted if the right course of action is taken.

[Pix]

It's sad that there are morons like this in the world today. I think they should all be castrated, that'll teach them