Visual Studio 2010 Final Release

[gep13]

So, who has got it...

Have you played with it yet?

I am downloading it just now, will be installing it at work tomorrow :)

Gary

[baja_yu]

I tried the RC. Looks and works great. .Net Frameword 4 look promissing. Especially nice is the distribution size which is down to around 35MB for 32bit version compared to >250MB for v3.5

[gep13]

Hey,

Yeah, I played with the RC as well. Interesting to see what, if anything, has changed the final release.

The reduced Framework size is definitely a boost.

Gary

[RobDog888]

I had only installed it last week. Got busy with work's production issue. Probably able to do more with it tonight when I get home. Loaded it on my Windows 7 system as my work laptop is slower then molasses and they wouldnt like it if I installed it on there lol.

[gep13]

I just got a shiny new workstation at work, so it will be taking pride of place on there :)

[RobDog888]

Did anyone watch the live broadcast on Channel 9?

[techgnome]

I'll probably wait until the download flood tapers off... sometime this weekend...

-tg

[RobDog888]

Just kick it off before you go to bed and then it should be done in the moring

[JuggaloBrotha]

I can't dl 2010, the connection keeps timing out...

Maybe tomorrow or Wednesday I'll dl it

[gep13]

Did anyone watch the live broadcast on Channel 9?

No, I didn't get a chance. Was it any good?

[RobDog888]

I missed it too because of a stupid production issue I have to help another developer with. :(

They need to test better before deployment and stop writting bugs. I have no time to watch broadcast or post lol :mad:

[mbutler755]

Did anyone watch the live broadcast on Channel 9?

Yeah...it was great. Compiling errors and all. :bigyello:

[RobDog888]

Im sure it was recorded so they may make it available to watch again after some editing though lol

[baja_yu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FWJR1fNoGE

[RobDog888]

Seen that already. Its old but a catchy tune :)

[RobDog888]

For those too lazy to look for it lol

http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/watch-it-live/

[Nightwalker83]

What is the final release? Is Visual Studios 2010 going available for download as well as purchased from the shops? :confused:

[gep13]

The final release, the version that we are currently downloading, is the version that you will be able to purchase from shops. Microsoft are moving to the economically friendly ways of distributing their media though, i.e. via downloads, so I wouldn't be surprised to see more of a push to buying online.

Gary

[Nightwalker83]

The final release, the version that we are currently downloading, is the version that you will be able to purchase from shops. Microsoft are moving to the economically friendly ways of distributing their media though, i.e. via downloads, so I wouldn't be surprised to see more of a push to buying online.

Gary

Ah ok! What is the download link?

[gep13]

Do you have an MSDN Subscription? If so, you can get it from MSDN library.

If not, have a look here:

http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2010/04/12/visual-studio-2010-and-net-4-released.aspx

Gary

[Nightwalker83]

Do you have an MSDN Subscription? If so, you can get it from MSDN library.


Thanks! No, unfortunately I don't have an MSDN subscription know me I would be paying for things I would never use.

[gep13]

Hey,

In which case, if you have a look at the bottom of that blog post, you will see the options that you have.

Gary

[RobDog888]

You can always download and install the Express versions for free.

[Nightwalker83]

According to Microsoft site the professional edition of VS 2010 is:


with MSDN Essentials from $549
with MSDN from $1,199


upto nearly $12,000 for Ultimate?

Although, I am confused as to what is the difference between MSDN Essentials and MSDN? In that case I can afford the professional version but I think the ultimate version will have wait for a couple of years. :lol:

[gep13]

Hey,

The different MSDN Subscription versions entitle you to download different things from the MSDN catalog. What those exact differences are though, I am not sure. I have an MSDN Premium Subscription, and for instance, I don't have access to the Ultimate Version of VS 2010, or the Test Edition, but I can grab the Premium edition.

Gary

[DeanMc]

Woot, I have just finished preping my pc and have a new coding VM ready, gonna download it now!

[DeanMc]

Ok my version of MSDN gives me options for all the VS's, which should I go for?

[GaryMazzone]

I downloaded Ultimate last night (I do a lot of DB work), previous version I always took database editions.

[gep13]

Ok my version of MSDN gives me options for all the VS's, which should I go for?

Even Ultimate? If so, I am very jealous!!

Personally, I would install the highest version, just because I could!!

http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products

Gary

[DeanMc]

Eh just went for ultimate in the end!

[DeanMc]

Even Ultimate? If so, I am very jealous!!

Personally, I would install the highest version, just because I could!!

http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products

Gary

Yeah that's what I did!

[baja_yu]

For those too lazy to look for it lol

http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/watch-it-live/

Just watching this now. At the part when they work in C++ on the Picture Viewer application, it's funny how they are reffering to the old toolbars as "dated" and "legacy" (in comparrison to the ribbon), but at the same time the VS2010 they are working in is using toolbars :D

[gep13]

Eh just went for ultimate in the end!

Very jealous :(

[DeanMc]

Lol @ gep,

Just installing now...

[gep13]

:mad:

I was just checking the comparison chart for the different versions, and there are some big things in Ultimate that would have been nice to have, namely:

- Intellisense
- Architecture Diagram
- Sequence Diagram

etc

Gary

[DeanMc]

On a similar note, do you install into a VM or do you install on your main PC?

[gep13]

Hey,

In my case, I am going to do both.

I am going to install on my main machine, just so I have it at hand, but I am going to also install it on my VM that I do active development on. That is where I will be putting it through it's paces, and will be trying things out. As I start being happy with it on the VM, I will be adding items on my main machine as well.

Gary

[DeanMc]

Cool, as I only have one pc I found it best to develop full time in a VM which is much better than clogging up the one pc.

[RobDog888]

Even Ultimate? If so, I am very jealous!!

Personally, I would install the highest version, just because I could!!

http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products

Gary
Same here :)

[RobDog888]

On a similar note, do you install into a VM or do you install on your main PC?
Main system here :)

[DeanMc]

How to you keep your system clean?

[RobDog888]

How to you keep your system clean?
Soap and water every week. :D

I just installed on new HD's so its clean. But usually I dont install anything that is not critical.

[gep13]

Cool, as I only have one pc I found it best to develop full time in a VM which is much better than clogging up the one pc.

Can't agree more. Throw in the concepts of snapshots, and you have the ability to easily flatten a VM back to a state before you broke something :D

[Nightwalker83]

Damn! My Tafe Institute is not listed on the Dream Sparks site.

Edit:

I could download the trial version for now and risk losing it again.

I have noticed that it says:


# Supported Architectures:

* 32-Bit (x86)
* 64-Bit (x64) (WOW)



under the system requirements. Does that mean it can't be installed on Vista? For me it is not showing the architecture type of my pc show if there is more than one architecture each system it won't work. :confused: My laptop is 64-Bit (x86) according to what I figured out from the system info and program files.

[gep13]

Hey,

Yes, it will install on Vista. See here:

http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products/2010-editions/professional

WOW refers to Windows 32 bit On Window, it is an acronym, see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WOW64

I think you might have got a bit confused there. Your laptop is either 64 bit, or not. I am going to guess that your laptop is 64 bit capable, but you are running a 32 bit OS.

Gary

[Nightwalker83]

I think you might have got a bit confused there. Your laptop is either 64 bit, or not. I am going to guess that your laptop is 64 bit capable, but you are running a 32 bit OS.


Nah, it defiantly said 64bit OS i think someone made a typo when installing programs on the laptop because there is a program files directory (as you would normally find) but also I directory called "Program Files (x86)". I have never used the 32bit version but I reckon that only has the Program Files directory.

[gep13]

Hey,

That is normal. Your 64 bit Program Files is called just "Program Files", however, when you install 32 bit applications onto your 64 bit OS, they are added into a separate Program Files folder called "Program Files (x86).

Gary

[Nightwalker83]

Hey,

That is normal. Your 64 bit Program Files is called just "Program Files", however, when you install 32 bit applications onto your 64 bit OS, they are added into a separate Program Files folder called "Program Files (x86).

Gary

Yeah, I reckon I am getting the folders for the 32 and 64 bit operating systems confused. I usually use a 32bit system as my pc is the 32bit vesion of Vista.
I will take a look at the instructions you linked to for installing the software on Vista and see if it works.

[baja_yu]

How about VB6 to .Net converter. I remember that the Release Candidate of VS2010 couldn't do conversions (like VS2008 can). Is it possible in the final release, or did they remove the feature completely?

[GaryMazzone]

I haven't even look at the converter since 2003... Just took the time and did the re-write.

[JuggaloBrotha]

How about VB6 to .Net converter. I remember that the Release Candidate of VS2010 couldn't do conversions (like VS2008 can). Is it possible in the final release, or did they remove the feature completely?I'm hoping that it doesn't have that converter, none of the .Net VS IDE's should have had any kind of converter imho. By not having a converter, hopefully it'll help people migrate from vb6 to .Net by writing .Net code instead of converting the vb6 code into really crappy, impossible to understand code.

The converter is extremely sh**ty at best.

[RobDog888]

Havent looked. Its not something that I have ever used. :D

[Nightwalker83]

Yeah, I haven't bothered looking into the converter either since I was warned away from using it.

Edit:

I have installed the VS 2010 Ultimate trial on my Vista pc and it appears to be working. Before I reinstalled Vista VS wouldn't load for some reason.

[FunkyDexter]

I'm a bit confused by this. We have an MSDN subscription that should entitle us to Ultimate. When I visit the MSDN Library downloads page I can see an option to download the trial version but I don't think that's what I'm after is it? I can also link off to VS2010 in the MSDN subscriptions section I get taken to a page which is telling me that it's unavailable. In fact, all the versions of VS2010 show as unavailable (lots of the various periphery products are available). Am I missing something?

[gep13]

Hey,

Has your MSDN Subscription been individually assigned to you, or is it part of a volume license?

Could be that you don't personally have access to download it, but someone else within your organization does.

Gary

[si_the_geek]

All of the editions are listed for me in the MSDN Subscriber Downloads page (under both "Developer Tools" and "New Downloads")... perhaps there was a temporary fault?

[Nightwalker83]

This maybe a pointless question but how much does an MSDN subscription cost?

Edit:

Never mind! I found the price listing for the subscriptions on the subscriptions page on the site Gary linked to in post #45.

[gep13]

Hey,

They range in cost, depends on which one you go for.

Gary

[Nightwalker83]

Hey,

They range in cost, depends on which one you go for.

Gary

Ah ok! I was thinking that there was only one subscription price and then each VS version had it's own price. Anyway, it looks as if I can afford the Professional version that is if the prices I'm reading are to be believed.

http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/support

[DeanMc]

The are a good investment.

[FunkyDexter]

Has your MSDN Subscription been individually assigned to you, or is it part of a volume license? It's part of a volume license but we're signed in as the support guy who's usually able to download any new bits and pieces we need. I'll get them to try it again I think.

[gep13]

It's part of a volume license but we're signed in as the support guy who's usually able to download any new bits and pieces we need. I'll get them to try it again I think.

Intersting...

Yeah, I would try again. From what you have described, I would agree that you should be able to see it. In my case, I can see all the available versions, but the ones that I don't have access to, don't have a download link.

Gary

[FunkyDexter]

We just see 'unavailable' where the link should be. I think support are phoning MS to double check our MSDN subscription so fingers crossed.

[RobDog888]

We just got the approval to install on our work laptops/systems :)

I have a new modificaiton request of a utility program written in 2003 that Im going to push to 2010. Think Im going to rewrite it as a Silverlight 4.0 app :)

[gep13]

Good thing that Silverlight 4 got released yesterday then :)

I was going mental for a while there trying to figure out why the SL4 Tools weren't working, only to release that the Tools were specifically for VS 2010 RC :mad: