What would you do?

[Jeff_1]

Me and dennis were talking on ICQ about all the high school shootings that were going on..and i mentioned that when i was in high school, a friend of mine brought a gun to school.

My question is.... What would you do? would you go to the proper authorities?? or would you just keep it to yourself?

i personally would mind my own business.

[Cybrg641]

I'd tell the school principal or someone else so that he wouldn' t know it was me.

[Jeff_1]

But i wasnt sure that i was the only one he showed the gun too.

But if i was the only one that he showed the gun too..and So if i had went and told..then he would have known it was me..and i would have been in deep ****.

[SteveCRM]

That is a tough question...

If I knew he wasn't going to do anything with it and was just showing off that he could get one then I wouldn't tell, but if he was acting a little strange or depressed lately I would probably tell...

Because if someone was killed because I didn't tell anyone I would feel awefull for the rest of my life.

[Jeff_1]

Well he told me that it was his protection from rival gangs....and he wasnt depressed or anything..just quiet...but usually those are the one you have to watch out for.

[SteveCRM]

thats what I meant...look for signs first

[Cybrg641]

yeah, I guess you're right. If he was just showing off or if he wasn't depressed or anything than I wouldn't tell. But I would definately tell him how stupid he was in bringing it in the first place.

Yeah... that's real smart... telling somebody with a gun how stupid they are :p

[SteveCRM]

good point...I think I'd be to afraid to do anything

[Guv]

Hey fellows & girls, don't you believe in taking some responsibility for helping make this place a better world to live in?

While I might do some risk assessment, I would tend to rat on the guy because I think it is the responsible action to take.

I avoid taking serious risks that could be fatal, but am willing to gamble just a little bit. If I thought I had a good chance of ratting on him without getting killed or seriously injured, I would do it.

Somebody once saidAll that it takes for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.

[SteveCRM]

Ever since the columbine shooting we have cops all around school.

[Lord Orwell]

Perhaps the principal could arrange a "random" locker search? If you said you knew someone had a gun in their locker but refused to say who, then he would have to search everyone's. Your friend would get caught, but it would be unconnectable to you.

[SteveCRM]

wow...a lot of stuff would be taken from everyone there....beepers (not allowed, they think everyone who has them is a drug dealer...same with cell phones.)


hehehe...would be funny to watch(since i have nothing bad)

[Jeff_1]

But like i said i would have not ratted because of the simple fact of retaliation and the fact that i believe in minding my own business to a point.

Maybe if i was the only person this guy showed the gun too..and then i went and ratted... then maybe he wouldnt have done anything too me.. maybe he would have just confronted me one day later on and said "your a dick..why did you tell??!!"

but i seriously doubt it would have turned out that way..

i guess it was just a different type of environment at the school i went too..but unless it affected you directly...you didnt talk about it.

Interestingly enough to mention:

I was talking too some of my neighbors tonight..and
the "all these high school shootings" topic came up...and one of my friends said "one reason why their is never any high school slaughters in los angeles like columbine is because someone else might shoot back"


and as sad as it is..it is true... i am not the only one that went to my school that can say they seen..or knew someone who carried a gun with them in , for whatever reason that person might have to carry the gun.And also for the fact that their is metal detectors in the school that i went to and most of the school administartors carried handheld metal detectors.

[pranavdesai]

well i donno i mean the moral duty would be that u report this to the higher authority.the thing is unless we do something about it nothing is going to be done about it.and as pertains to someone showing his gun to only a single person that's highly impossible cos such elements try to boast around and tell everyone how great they are. so i would have reported this to the authorities even under the condition of being anonymous thats one way to be secure.i wouls surely report it to the principal?wouldn't u?

[Lord Orwell]

Guess it depends on where you live...
Crime is low where i live. Murders are rare. The only murder in my county in the last who-knows-how-many-years got more coverage than the OJ simpson trial.
I dont think anyone ever brought guns to school. Not that no one owned any. I've owned a shotgun since i was about 8.

In my county, murders are rare as well. But there are a lot of crimes. July 5, 1998, we were lighting off our leftover fireworks and firecrackers(from 4th of July), and we hear sirens, well, we think somebody may have called the police because we were lighting off firecrackers(illegal in Va), so we hide them. There are about 25 cop cars and a helicopter circling my neighbors house. Somebody runs out the back of the house, and you hear a lot of comotion and a fight. When it's over, we see my neighbors boyfriend in handcuffs, arrested for posession of drugs, I think he was dealing them too.

About every 3 months, usually during spring and summer, somebody escapes from jail, or prison, or something. There are always helicoptors, and sirens.. Then we hear about it on the news..

I'm getting a little bit off the subject now... If I were to see somebody who had a gun, I would most definetly report him. I wouldn't do anything if I saw somebody with a knife. I admit, I have brought one to school before. It was an accident though. I had just went camping during the weekend, and I didn't empty all the camping gear out of my backpack, when I was on the bus, I pulled one out and was like "oh ****".. nothing happened though. Nobody knew I had it. I have also known other people who have brought knives to school. They weren't the killing kind though. One person brought in a swiss-style knife(the kind with a lot of tools), and another person I know brought in a spyder-co(small serrated lockback). The only time I would report somebody who brought a knife to school, would be if they told me they were going to stab somebody.

[Lord Orwell]

Mindspring... hahaha (just kidding)

Anyway, we were actually allowed to have knifes at my school. The blade had to be shorter than (i think) 3 inches, and it couldnt be openable with one hand.(which my jackknife was)

[HarryW]

People would bring knives to my school sometimes, I think my best mate did fairly often, a bootknife or whatever it's called. Swiss army knives were pretty common, although I'm pretty sure you weren't meant to have them. I don't remember anyone having any particularly fearsome kind of knife on them. No guns though, this was just a town in south west England after all.

I don't know what I would have done, I'm not really familiar with the whole gun-ownership culture there seems to be in America. It would have been a very big deal if someone did bring a gun in my school.

[Lord Orwell]

dont stereotype the whole country. Guns aren't a problem in most areas.
But check out scotland. Government issued guns.
Extremely low home burglary rate.

[HarryW]

Well yeah I try not to stereotype, but it's kinda hard when about 95% of the opinion expressed here by Americans is pro-guns. All I meant by it is that I get the impression that it seems natural for people to own guns. It's pretty exceptional here.

[chrisjk]

Other than recreation (i.e. clay pigeon shooting or hunting), why does anyone need a friggin gun? Talk about provoking the situation. I'd bet money that 90% of people only have one because "everyone else does". If they were properly licenced and governed, nobody would need one for protection.

dont stereotype the whole country. Guns aren't a problem in most areas
No, but areas where they are a problem, you get occurances like school shottings. 2 in the past month or so!! The last one in the UK (even then it was Scotland) was Dunblane many years ago, and that was a man not a bloddy kid. You have only yourselves to blame.

What type of gun was it Jif ?

If i went to a school where people would be carrying guns I would have a AK17 in my back pocket! :D

AK17?

[chrisjk]

I think he meant 47.

Can't beat a Colt 45 though

'course you can.... Raging Bull .454 cassull :p

Browning High Power, 9mm...
it's the least powerful out of the 1911, and the Raging Bull, but it'll kick both of their asses due to the high capacity(15 rounds as opposed to seven for the colt, and six for the Raging Bull).

[HarryW]

Oh great here we go :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

[Jeff_1]

That was what one of my old girlfriends use to call me.. "Jif" i know you are not her chenko..so hehehe let's just drop the comparison ;)

It was a small .25 cal handgun...

Since were talking about guns...i will just convince my friend in the army to go insanse and steal a jeep that has a 50 Caliber machine gun on it and we can have some fun! ;) heh j/k i am not the killing type.

[Active]

Has anyone actually used a Gun ?

I did When I was about 12 Years old. Wait ....
That was on a Beach and in a stall where you have
to shoot 15 or so balloons continously in 15 chances
to win Prizes. I missed the Prize by three Shots.
But hey....I was just standing 5 metres from the
Balloons...no big deal.

[parksie]

Yes. At school I've used the LSW and L90 (that's a piece of crap, BTW). The SA-80 is much nicer but still not too wonderful :rolleyes:

[SteveCRM]

I have.,...shooting range...

jeff....maybe we could just take the jeep out and scare people :D

(and through nerf balls with C4 attached to them off the back of the truck ;) )

[parksie]

Nerf balls with C-4...nice :)

I've also used .22s for range stuff.

[chrisjk]

Originally posted by denniswrenn
Browning High Power, 9mm...
it's the least powerful out of the 1911, and the Raging Bull, but it'll kick both of their asses due to the high capacity(15 rounds as opposed to seven for the colt, and six for the Raging Bull).
Screw it, i'll just stick with some explosives, like that geezer from Speed (the old ex-cop who kidnapped Annie the Wildcat...bastard :D)

[HarryW]

I get the impression that the SA-80 is pants. Lotta people seem to think we'd be better off buying M-16s for a while and dumping SA-80s while we make something better.

The M16(the US Military actually uses the M4 Carbine now, which is a shortened version of the M16A2) sucks!

It jams frequently, and must be kept clean at all times or misfire will occur. The AK-74 has about the same size cartridge, but has the reliability of it's cousin, the AK-47. I think the US should switch to using the AK-74... But that's just MHO..


Has anyone actually used a Gun ?



Yep.. Pistols, Revolvers, Shotguns, Rifles(hunting), Assult Rifles, Machine Guns, Sub Machine Guns, Etc..

[HarryW]

Well it's evidently considered to be better than the SA-80.

What is an SA80? I think I remember somebody telling me it was an M60(.308 cal. link fed MG)...

[Active]

To dennis :

Machine Guns ? How come ? are they allowed for civilians ?

No... Machine Guns are illegal for civilions to own. But we can shoot them. :)

to tell the truth.. i haven't even seen a gun close enough :)

yes.. forgot NCC.. i have done it!! 2 years ago .. in a training camp.. just for a few minutes though! :(

[HarryW]

The SA-80 is, as far as I'm aware, the standard-issue assault rifle of the British military. Not the specialists, they usually use MP5s (or whatever they want I guess) I think. It was developed a few years ago in Britain, it's not American.

[Lord Orwell]

Originally posted by chrisjk
Other than recreation (i.e. clay pigeon shooting or hunting), why does anyone need a friggin gun? Talk about provoking the situation. I'd bet money that 90% of people only have one because "everyone else does". If they were properly licenced and governed, nobody would need one for protection.



Here is what my grandfather always says (and i agree with him): If you outlaw guns, only the lawbreakers will have them. The upstanding citizens will cower in their homes in fear of anyone just waltzing in and taking everything they own without fear of meeting a loaded barrel pointing at them. At least now, there is the possibility in the guy's mind "If i break in there, will i come out alive?" And that is how i like it.

[chrisjk]

SA80 is a crap assault rifle that frequently jams (standard issue at present to the Army). Hopefully the SAS get something a bit better...

[HarryW]

Lord Orwell - yeah that's what I hear a lot of people (read: Americans) say, but I just don't agree. I'm not gonna keep arguing about it anyway.

Harry:

You don't agree with that, because it isn't what you were brought up to beleive. Your environment always has something to do with what you beleive in. If you were brought up in warm climates, you hate cold weather(well, this is true for a few people), if you were brought up in a country where guns are legal, and you have a gun, you are going to beleive you need that gun.

I don't think that anybody needs a gun. But, we want guns. We think we need them. I could just as well live without them. But I like target practicing, hunting, skeet shooting, etc. So I am not willing to give any up. But, what do I really need it for? Nothing happens in my area where I would need a gun. But as I had said before, I want guns, and in this country, it is supposedly a right that we can have them. So I will continue to keep them.

[HarryW]

Yeah that's pretty much it. I think it's better to live without them though, because I think a primarily gun owning general population can exaggerate conflicts. Which causes problems with crime, murder, suicide, nervous breakdown, etc. It's my opinion, I'm not claiming it's true, just that I think it's true.

[Active]

I agree With Harry Here...

What if ...If you think Bombs are cool and Start
collecting it. You can Even argue those bombs are
for self defense. Honestly I see no difference between
possessing guns and Explosives. They are all Dangerous.

Active:
There is not much difference in the purpose of explosives and firearms. The only difference I see, is when explosives are used to do work, like take down a building, or remove a tree stump, etc.. But, I think the reason the government regulates explosives more than firearms, is because when you pull a trigger on a gun, you kill one person, when you detonate an explosive, it can kill thousands of people, depending on the power and placement of the charge.

[parksie]

You don't even need much explosive to kill thousands of people. A shaped charge of only 2 pounds can take down a nuclear power station.

[Lord Orwell]

You may not agree, but i know a bunch of people who were in jail for theft and this is also how they think.
A person doesnt actually have to own a gun.
The criminal just has to realize the possibility that he might.

And i should point out that USA (America is 2 continents) already has plenty of gun laws, which are already routinely broken by crooks.

[HarryW]

You can see the effect of strict gun control in other countries. There is very little crime involving firearms in Britain for instance, or at least I don't see it or hear about it if there is. This is an old argument, I've had it before and it never ends up with any kind of agreement.

[Jeff_1]

HAHAHA bomb collector:

Yeah i collect bombs..i have many here in my room...i have a few in the kitchen..and a couple in my car..nothing much..mostly dynamite.. ;) :rolleyes:

[Active]

Oooooowww.....

Sound of siren surrounding Jeff's House..

The FBI Black cats Storm in to Jeff's House.

Another Theodore Kaczynski (http://www.cnn.com/resources/newsmakers/us/newsmakers/kaczynski.html) is in Here....Warns the Head to the Media Personnel.