Delayed: Visual Studio 2010 and .NET 4.0

[brad jones]

Scott Guthrie and Somasegar have both announced the Visual Studio 2010 and .NET 4.0 will be delayed. How long the delay will be is unknown. In fact, March 22nd, 2010 was announced as the launched date. Nothing was stated specifically about moving this date; however, both indicated that the release would shift a few weeks.

On the positive side, the delay is partially a result of adding an additional public beta. Expectations are that there will be an additional public preview (public Release Candidate) in February—prior to the official release. This public RC will include a "go live" license, which in effect allows you to launch applications onto the web.



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[chris128]

I'm guessing this is because of the amount of work they have got to do on the performance side of things... from what I've seen there have been a lot of people (including myself) that want it to be much faster than it is in the latest BETA.

[Jenner]

Yea, I played with it briefly and it was noticeably pokier than Studio 2008. It was a lot of little things too... the interface was pokey and would frequently hang for a few seconds, the background compiling was sluggish and sometimes the IntelliSense had trouble registering when it had to be displayed (I'd type: String. for example, and no IntelliSense. I hit backspace and . again, and it would finally pop up.) Figured it was a beta and things weren't optimized so I left it at that and next day blew it off my machine.

[Nightwalker83]

Going by that article I am wondering whether I should wait until VS 2010 is released or just buy VS 2008. Well, I guess I would need to wait until school starts again as to the urgency of the Visual Studio in my course.

[Jenner]

Just download the Express version for now. It's free. I doubt your school would throw anything at you that required any of the paid versions.

[dilettante]

Parts of 2010 use WPF now right? Does it exhibit the "blurred text" symptoms so many have been experiencing with WPF?

Of course most of that issue may have been user (programmer) error too I suppose.

[JuggaloBrotha]

The entire UI of VS 2010 uses WPF and yes, it's blurry.

[gep13]

The entire UI of VS 2010 uses WPF and yes, it's blurry.

What exactly do you find that is blurry? I can't say that this is a problem that I have ran into with VS 2010?!?

I have had one issue where the IDE hangs when I start to debug an application, but that is about it.

Gary

[Nightwalker83]

Just download the Express version for now. It's free. I doubt your school would throw anything at you that required any of the paid versions.

I've downloaded the VS 2010 Beta.

[gep13]

Hey,

I don't think you have understood what Jenner has suggested. if you don't require the features of a full edition of visual studio, why buy it? simply use the express editions which you don't need to pay for. there will be an express edition for 2010 when it is released.

Gary

[Nightwalker83]

Hey,

I don't think you have understood what Jenner has suggested. if you don't require the features of a full edition of visual studio, why buy it? simply use the express editions which you don't need to pay for. there will be an express edition for 2010 when it is released.

Gary

I don't know what may be required that is why it would be better to get the full version. Although, you are correct in saying that it would be better if I knew we were just going to use the simple features then I would use the Express version of Visual Studios.

I have yet to buy the software but I have the money just in case.

[Jenner]

Trust me, no programming class will ever use the things in the paid version. Microsoft releasing the Express versions as free downloads was the best thing to happen to the .NET Framework. Schools now no longer have to pay for it, and they can train future programmers who will be proficient in the languages.

The Express versions really can do 95% of what the paid versions can do, and those features missing are only needed for things like deployment, enterprise-level design and extra-fancy report generation.

With the Express version, you have available to you EVERY feature the entire .NET framework has to offer... WCF, WPF, LINQ, Database providers, generics, EVERYTHING.

I'm a professional programmer, and the ONLY reason I use a paid version is because I want to deploy my software using a setup project (as opposed to using ClickOnce or any number of free packegers which you can use with Express) and the need to use Crystal Reports in my programs... which I could have just as easilly gotten the Express edition and a seperate, paid version of Crystal Reports.

You're not going to be taught Crystal Reports or Setup projects in school. They really don't need to be taught even, they're simple enough to figure out. THe paid version has a few other minor perks... a VB6 to VB.NET converter for example, but when I myself was making that transition, I barely used the thing.

[Nightwalker83]

I'm a professional programmer, and the ONLY reason I use a paid version is because I want to deploy my software using a setup project (as opposed to using ClickOnce or any number of free packegers which you can use with Express) and the need to use Crystal Reports in my programs... which I could have just as easilly gotten the Express edition and a seperate, paid version of Crystal Reports.

Yeah, however, I will mostly like use Visual Studios to create programs to use in my job as a web developer. That being said I would need to compile my program into setup packages if I don't need to create reports. Also, I'm a qualified web developer, I'm only doing programming because there appears to be some languages that can be used in web development. I have been interesting Visual Basic for about 12 years and used to teach myself VB6 but didn't learn very much because of being self taught.

[Jenner]

Fair nuff. You've got good reason then. Many students who come on here think they need to immediately shell out $300 for the paid versions of Visual Studio and don't understand the awesome power offered in just the Express versions. Most of the time, the Express versions are more than enough for even seasoned developers. Just wanted to make sure you understood before you spent a good wad of hard earned cash.

[JuggaloBrotha]

One thing I like about the non-express editions is that I can have two projects one in C# the other is a vb.net in the same solution and I can have both both opened at the same time in 1 IDE, with the express editions I'd have to have two windows open, the C# IDE and the vb.net IDE, very annoying.

What exactly do you find that is blurry? I can't say that this is a problem that I have ran into with VS 2010?!?

I have had one issue where the IDE hangs when I start to debug an application, but that is about it.

Gary

The menu items are hard to read, the default color scheme makes things harder to read than it should.

The code window is also a little fuzzy which is slightly annoying since I'm used to it being crystal clear in VS 2003/2005/2008.

[gep13]

One thing I like about the non-express editions is that I can have two projects one in C# the other is a vb.net in the same solution and I can have both both opened at the same time in 1 IDE, with the express editions I'd have to have two windows open, the C# IDE and the vb.net IDE, very annoying.

Agreed, this is one thing that I found very annoying!! Now with the help of an MSDN subscription, don't have to worry anymore

The menu items are hard to read, the default color scheme makes things harder to read than it should.

The code window is also a little fuzzy which is slightly annoying since I'm used to it being crystal clear in VS 2003/2005/2008.

It's interesting to hear you say that. I actually prefer the look and feel of the new defaults. I guess it's personal preference though.

Gary

[chris128]

The menu items are hard to read, the default color scheme makes things harder to read than it should.

The code window is also a little fuzzy which is slightly annoying since I'm used to it being crystal clear in VS 2003/2005/2008.

Are you sure you are using the latest BETA? The blurry text issues have pretty much completely gone away for me in the BETA 2 release (in BETA 1 it was quite bad).

[gep13]

Ah, maybe that is the difference. I hardly used the first BETA, only really played with the second.

Gary

[Nightwalker83]

I just looked at the VB2010 Beta2 and from what I can tell it looks great! I like how Microsoft put each control on the toolbar under a specific heading, useful if when you need to find a specific component. Although, the toolbar is a little hard to spot right away because it is minimized. I would have thought it would be on screen at start up.

The setup is the only thing I don't like so far! Having installed it on Vista not folder, icons, etc were placed with the other folders on the start menu The icon for VB 2010 appears above the folders. I hope that is changed because don't want to search for a needle in a haystack all the time.

[JuggaloBrotha]

Are you sure you are using the latest BETA? The blurry text issues have pretty much completely gone away for me in the BETA 2 release (in BETA 1 it was quite bad).

Yep, I used it for an all of 20 minutes and haven't bothered since.

Beta 2 is definitely a step in the right direction, now if they'd add mobile device support in beta 3 or rc1 that'd be great.

[gep13]

On that note, has anyone heard what the next step is? Beta 3, RC1? When?

Gary

[DeanMc]

Given that it is now January I would imagine we are in RC territory now! The only thing I am not looking forward to is the long download time again but it will be nice to set up a new VM once the RC is out!

[Nightwalker83]

Given that it is now January I would imagine we are in RC territory now! The only thing I am not looking forward to is the long download time again but it will be nice to set up a new VM once the RC is out!

Yeah, as I stated above I downloaded the VS 2010 Beta (about 2GB). However, the files I downloaded have mysteriously disappear. I would have to download the whole thing again.

Edit:

I hope when the full version of VS 2010 is released we'll be able to open and work on code created in VS2008 or VS2005. At the moment the annoying code conversion wizard keeps wanting to convert the code to version 2010 and doing a bad job of it.

[gep13]

Hey,

Between 2005 and 2008, it was really only the solution file that got changed, the projects remained largely untouched, so I would expect the same from Visual Studio 2010 given that it can target all the same frameworks.

Gary

[JuggaloBrotha]

Doesn't VS 2010 do framework targeting for: 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, 3.5 and 4.0? I thought I read somewhere that VS 2010 supports 1.1 even though VS 2008 doesn't support that far back.

[gep13]

Hey,

As far as I am aware, I thought VS 2010, only supported 2.0, 3.0, 3.5 and 4.0, not 1.1.

Can someone confirm this?

Gary