Hate Netscape? [Archive]

compuGEEK

Mar 8th, 2001, 10:32 AM

Netscape, I mean Nutscrape is a big dissapointment. I guess making sure their users have AOL Instant Messenger and skins for their browser is more important than complying with the W3C standards.

IE truly is the best browser out there.

Cander

Mar 8th, 2001, 10:41 AM

Does nutscrape even support HTML 4 yet?

compuGEEK

Mar 8th, 2001, 10:46 AM

Yeah, no kidding. It gets tiresome having to code around it. Not to mention that it's slow, too.

Cander

Mar 8th, 2001, 10:52 AM

It has been a real pain beause I have to use asp to transform XML with XSL using up alot of sever side resources I could avoid if netscape would get friggin XML support. And unfortunatly I have to be cross browser capable for the site. What a crock!!!

Piz Bruin

Mar 8th, 2001, 01:36 PM

I couldn't agree with you guys more.

I am consistently trying to write code that Nutscrape will be happy with. Forget CSS, IFrames, even simple JavaScript commands like "window.navigate".

And now that Nutscrape is at it's all time low, I refuse to code cross-browser apps. I browser detect and NN users get a separate scaled back version. Why should IE users have to miss out on app features because of Nutscrape?

Speaking of browser detection, anyone else notce Nutscrape v.6 reports itself as version 5? They can't even get that right....

What it is guys, is that all of this extra coding we do for Nutscrape comaptibility, is really just adding features to the browser that it should already have.

It's just one constant workaround.....

alexmac

Mar 8th, 2001, 03:55 PM

Netscapes I complete pain in the butt. Its quite chunky and resource hungry it also seems to crash alot. Tables and forms display badly sometimes. IE is so much better.

Alex

JMik

Mar 8th, 2001, 08:28 PM

Hey guys,

Its completely incompetent support of HTML 4 and CSS aside, just installing it is an exercise in frustration. My installation over the weekend resulted in 5 new desktop icons, 3 new quicklaunch icons and 4 new programs in the system tray! Yikes!

Well, what can you expect when the company's website is a portal??

JMik

Mar 9th, 2001, 05:03 AM

The only redeeming feature of Netscape is that it isn't produced by Micro$oft...

oh...wait a minute...something doesn't feel quite right about that statement...

*thud*
*arrgghh!*

[silence]....

Cander

Mar 9th, 2001, 08:38 AM

I just hope that in the next couple years everyone recognizes the XHTML standard so we can have faster and smaller browsers. Ans then we can throw out all the crap web sites that dont follow standards becuase they will never load anyway..:)

For anyone that doesnt know, the reason browsers are so big and slow is because they have to do alot of guess work becuase no one follows procedure for HTML. In other words they are not well formed pages. And this takes alot of power to do it. Like closing tags at the appropriate place and using the same case when opening anc closing. You may not realize it but this,

<body>
</BODY>

actually uses alot of porcessing power to figure out! :p
Would be faster if it didnt have to do any checks and conversion of that if it only accepted..

<body>
</body>

or any other case way s long as you use the same case opening and closing the tags..

Just some interesting info for ya guys.

Piz Bruin

Mar 9th, 2001, 08:44 AM

Again, I agree.

Here is a great link:

http://validator.w3.org/

or any of the other resources at www.w3.org

Piz Bruin

Mar 9th, 2001, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by Mark Sreeves
OK, there is ONE thing that I like, and that is being able to have NS3, NS4, and NS6 on one pc all at the same time - not possible with IE

Isn't it a sad state when we need to have an archive of versions just to get some develpoment done, or do we need all of those to surf the web? ;-)

Cander

Mar 9th, 2001, 01:41 PM

Very sad indeed! I curse netscape and their attempt at destroying MS just becuase IE became more popular. Long live MS and IE!!

parksie

Mar 9th, 2001, 02:02 PM

Netscape was good, and is still a lot faster than Internet Explorer...however it's fallen WAY behind with standards...what we need is NS6-Lite...the Gecko/Raptor engine, but none of the crap involved with skinning, which is useless anyway!

Mar 9th, 2001, 06:05 PM

Thinking about all of the time I have spent pissin round with my web apps just because netscape refuses to close it's doors and accept defeat makes me want to vomit.

Piz Bruin

Mar 12th, 2001, 05:59 AM

Originally posted by parksie
Netscape was good, and is still a lot faster than Internet Explorer...however it's fallen WAY behind with standards...what we need is NS6-Lite...the Gecko/Raptor engine, but none of the crap involved with skinning, which is useless anyway!

You think Netscape is faster than IE ?!?!?!??????

Netscape is SLOOOOOW !! I have to use Netscape to do cross browser testing, and IE blows it away every time......

Mar 12th, 2001, 06:04 AM

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netscape can kiss my bum!

Mark Sreeves

Mar 12th, 2001, 06:06 AM

I the morning I use IE5
by about midday IE5 won't load up vb-world any more (it just times-out) so I then switch to NS6 and it loads vb-world fine!

Mar 12th, 2001, 06:12 AM

I dont tend to think about using anything but IE. The only time Netscape crosses my mind is when I realise I have to test a site through it. And then the feeling of dread sets in...

Active

Mar 12th, 2001, 06:18 AM

And then Think About CrossBrowser DHTML !
Wish I had 10 brains to think in both their slang !

parksie

Mar 12th, 2001, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by Piz Bruin

You think Netscape is faster than IE ?!?!?!??????

Netscape is SLOOOOOW !! I have to use Netscape to do cross browser testing, and IE blows it away every time......
I hijacked the NS6 browser engine into my own framework and it loads in about 2 seconds, and displays everything much faster than IE.

Brandito

Mar 13th, 2001, 10:53 PM

The only reason I even do those bull $**t browser detects and poorly attempt to code for Netscape is the fact that it is the only real browser for Linux.

If it wasn't for Linux, Netscape would be put out of buisness and slapped with a ***** stick!

Brandon

dimava

Mar 13th, 2001, 11:30 PM

Have you guys tried Opera Web browser? (www.opera.com) its proven the fastest browser in the world. Its just not complient with all the scripts, and stuff. (Flash movies take forever to load) but other then that... the downloads are very fast. You should give it a try

and like always, if you need a serial, you know who to ask.

Dimava

chrismitchell

Mar 14th, 2001, 02:20 AM

Personally I think that Netscape is better than IE .... I agree that Netscape is an Arse to have to program for but it is ultimately a better browser than IE because it was (I also agree that it has gone down hill recently) a much more user friendly browser. Also because of everyone's hatred of M$ the only other choice would seem to be Netscape... Or writing your own.

Mark Sreeves

Mar 14th, 2001, 05:29 AM

I've downloaded Opera earlier today and it certainly seems pretty good!

Mar 14th, 2001, 05:36 AM

Some versions of Opera stuggle with DHTML/layers. The Macromedia site doesnt display properly.

chrismitchell

Mar 14th, 2001, 06:07 AM

I also have had problems with the Opera Browser. It hates working on Mac's... But you could say "what does?". As for the Macromedia site, I emailed a friend on the inside to ask why this was happening he says that they have configured it for IE and Netscape.... It wasn't configured for the other browsers such as Opera.

dimava

Mar 14th, 2001, 11:24 AM

look at the help section in opera... it says how to install the flash plugin

sail3005

Mar 14th, 2001, 04:52 PM

yeah, opera definatly deserves more credit than is given to it.

gwdash

Mar 15th, 2001, 03:21 PM

My school is one of the last to use Netscape. we are stuck on NS4. When you resize a page w/ layers in it, NS gets the page all screwed up and has to be refreshed(stupid javascript addin on all pages that support NS4). I hate Netscape. it screws up tables too.

It also dosen't like layers at all.

Luckely, we are switching to IE next Year. yippee

Zigmar

Mar 15th, 2001, 06:36 PM

New netscape version are so good (as it looks from a first sight, at least) but using IE?!?!? It's the M$ ******** ****! I just don't want to use IE because of M$.

But the perfect option is seems to be the Opera - it's my primary browser now. By the way, if some pages aren't displayed exactly as the do in IE - it's because of M$ - Opera just exactly following standart , but the M$ - creating standarts of it's own!

sail3005

Mar 15th, 2001, 08:22 PM

Yeah, these days, any browsers not supporting the standards is unacceptable. It makes it 1000 times harder for the designer.

Piz Bruin

Mar 16th, 2001, 08:52 AM

Yeah, I know some of you have a problem with M$, for whatever reason. But just remember,

Nothing integrates with a Microsoft product like another Microsoft product.

Sastraxi

Mar 18th, 2001, 09:37 AM

Let's face it... MS has a monopoly. You can't make programs that are perfectly compatible, so people wont use them in place of an MS product. The alternatives to windows are LINUX (good mascot! but nobody produces apps for them) and MAC-OS (ack, need i say more).

So we're stuck with Microsoft. What can we do with it? Download MS things and hope they dont yell at us? We must take a stand everybody, or download Linux and develop appz for that...

Although linux doesnt have VB...

Just my 0.02 CANADIAN dollars.

Cander

Mar 19th, 2001, 08:56 AM

Sorry Zigmar ,but you are so wrong and so oviously brainwashed, it isnt even funny. Lets see how many standards you can list that NS and Opera supports more of than MS. You wont be able to do it. MS has 2 non standard things in IE and thats JScript and VBScript. NS has more... DHTML, HTML4(This alone shows they are crap), CSS, and god knkows what else. But I admit I cant say anything about Opera since It is pointless for me to use it since IE is all I will ever need. But im pretty sure it doesnt support all the standards that IE does.

And next time dont speak until your are educated enough to know what you are talking about.

Oh and if you really want to know why web pages are so un standard these days, it is actually because of Netscape. Again another fact you are incorrect on. Netscape was the first to add slack HTML code 'guessing' in it.

chrismitchell

Mar 19th, 2001, 09:04 AM

I would just like to know what the point is at getting angry about the whole Nescape, Microsoft, Opera problem... All the above companies want to make money so they all make inferior products so that normal people are forced to pay out more money.

There is no real point in arguing it between each other it should be taken to the source of your anger! Namely the companies themselves.... If there is enough pressure then sooner or later they will break!

Cander

Mar 19th, 2001, 09:31 AM

The only thing I ever argue and get pissy on is when the MS bashers come out and bash everything that MS does with absolutly no knowledge of what they are talkng about.

Mar 19th, 2001, 09:45 AM

Most people I know that are bitter against Microsoft (myself included) is because they have monopolised the PC market from the ground up. In a way its good though because that way everything is at least some way compatible.

I'm just jealous because Bill Gates earns more money for doing nothing than I ever will for working in my entire life. :(

chrismitchell

Mar 19th, 2001, 09:50 AM

I'm not an MS basher... Nothing of the sort.... I just think that all the companies don't care about the customers because the main reason for being and doing business is to increase the share value to the Share Holders.

chrismitchell

Mar 19th, 2001, 09:59 AM

Something people should also remember is that Bill Gates is a ****! From what I have been told he stole the ideas for Windows from Apple Macintosh when they were making their first OS, which was stolen from the maker of one of the Unix OS. So Behemoth all you need to do is find a program (or build or steal one). Make it have so many problems that any customer will have to continue to buy newer versions and patches for the program. And it is not only M$ that does this all Software companies do this.

Cander

Mar 19th, 2001, 10:01 AM

Thats fine though. If you have a factual logical reason to hate MS, that's cool. But some people start making things up or believe everything they here and take it as truth. Like Linux users, they are so confident int he knowledge that Windows bites and Linux rules, but whe I have asked them why, they start spurtting out a bunch of un true tales. One of the big ones is that Linux is much more secure. I havent seen this proven and I have heared of many a security breach in Linux as well. The reason it seems Windows has so many is because they are always in the press becuase MS is a high profile company and the press picks it up.

As far as the monoploy goes, I agree with that but I havent seen a consumer harmed because of it as the DOJ would have you believe.

chrismitchell

Mar 19th, 2001, 10:32 AM

I think that this is one of those problems that could only be sorted out by the companies not thinking about money, but that will never happen!

alex_read

Mar 19th, 2001, 10:55 AM

Add me to this list, I don't write a lot of web pages, but support loads of programs. Can you find any settings to fix Netscape when it goes down ?!?!?!

Useless, though it does have a better logo ...

Kzin

Mar 19th, 2001, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by Mark Sreeves

Scripts that were written for NS4 won't work properly on NS6. To me that is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!!!

Mark - plug-ins carefully written to spec for Netscape 4.01 wouldn't run on 4.03. When updated they once again fail on 4.04 which again has endless undocumented changes - that's the point where I gave up supporting Netscape

I still get hate mail from Netscape freaks (Netties?) wanting to know why I won't support Netscape.

BTW - The whole Netscape DevEdge program was simply designed as a way to send useless spam to members - not to give support - at least MSDN has a knowledge base full of interesting stuff!

Chris Byrom

Mar 19th, 2001, 04:31 PM

I generally hate Netscape too. The dual coding requirements suck, but .....

If M$ would make a Unix/Linux version of IE, I would have no use for Netscape. Until then, which will be never, I will at least have to use Netscape on my Linux box. I do have to give them that. Netscape will run on anything.

Piz Bruin

Mar 20th, 2001, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by Chris Byrom
Netscape will run on anything.

Netscape may RUN on anything, but that doesn't mean it does what it's supposed to when its running.

And I seriously doubt it will run on ANYTHING......

Also, Linux doesnt have nearly as many security breaches because 99% of the public are on MS products.
If Linux had the same amount of users as MS does, you would hear all about their problems too.

I hear Linux is decent but I refuse to learn it...

Mar 20th, 2001, 09:02 AM

The bottom line is quite simple. If I'm building a website, the last thing I want to do is the same job twice to ensure it's going to run properly. On that basis, if I have to choose one browser to work for, I'm going to use one that gives me the best user coverage, ie: IE (that was clever, wasn't it?)

When Microsoft give me reason to celebrate them, I do.

When Microsoft give me reason to hate them, I do.

Netscape have yet to give me any sort of reason to be happy. Therefore, I hate Netscape quite a lot, but didn't vote for the big one.

ranjith

Mar 20th, 2001, 09:43 AM

Why should i hate,when i don't use it.

Chris Byrom

Mar 20th, 2001, 09:51 AM

I didn't mean that it would run on ANYTHING. I am sure that my electroc razor will not run Netscape, but any processor that can run UNIX and X xan run Netscape. That is a lot more cross-platform support than we are very likely to ever see from Microsoft. This is unfortunate because I love IE. I just like running Linux too. So I have to use Netscape.

Chris Byrom

Mar 20th, 2001, 09:53 AM

UNIX and Linux boxes account for the majority of the internet. For example, this forum. Don't get me wrong here. I am not a Microsoft basher at all. I am a VB programmer. I just play with Linux at home.

Cander

Mar 22nd, 2001, 09:05 AM

Assuming IE 6 will run on the .NET runtime and since there will be a .NET runtime for Linux, then yes, IE will run on Linux.

Chris Byrom

Mar 22nd, 2001, 09:17 AM

That would be sweet. Would that mean that VB.net stuff will be able to run on Linux?

alex_read

Mar 22nd, 2001, 09:19 AM

absolutely :)

Cander

Mar 22nd, 2001, 09:28 AM

Yep. Write your program in VB on windows, run it on Linux! Cool aye?

Chris Byrom

Mar 22nd, 2001, 09:29 AM

Very cool.

Piz Bruin

Mar 27th, 2001, 02:17 PM

Did I mention I despise Netscape?

Sorry, tough day of programming......

Mar 27th, 2001, 08:18 PM

Netscape is damn bull sh*t ... Nothing works in it... No CSS support.. No <IFRAME> .. why do they have a browser like it?... Opera is far better than Netscape.. it atleast has very good (comparable with IE) CSS support and evn supports <IFRAME>

Anyway IE is the best.. I hate the idea of Microsoft thrashing.. you have to admit they have made the worlds best software (even if they stole ideas :D )!

Randy_Bartels

Mar 27th, 2001, 08:53 PM

actually i prefer Opera 5......

Randy_Bartels

Mar 27th, 2001, 08:55 PM

iframe is a ms proprietary tag anyway...

Randy_Bartels

Mar 27th, 2001, 09:02 PM

there is a joke around linux land that says ms made vbscript and asp for all those vb programmers that are out of jobs

Cander

Mar 28th, 2001, 09:41 AM

All I know randy is that I make alot of money doing web development with ASP/VB! :p

Cool thing is, which will get me more into Linux world, will be the new .NET stuff. Since when that comes out for Linux, I can finally program for Linux. And Im sure some Linux people will throw a fit about a MS product on Linux, but they should be happy, becuase they will see a huge increase in software for Linux.

Randy_Bartels

Mar 28th, 2001, 11:00 AM

ya...well its all good but i dont think MS is god

alex_read

Mar 28th, 2001, 11:06 AM

I don't either, but you've got to admit that their software is the best around.

Without MS, there'd be no vb! and without Office, there'd be no VBa! and without IE, there'd be no VBScript, so I'm sort of leaning toward the MS is great part here...

Randy_Bartels

Mar 28th, 2001, 11:15 AM

Cander, i checked out your web site. I suggest putting something to the left of the banner so that it doesnt cut into your background.

Randy_Bartels

Mar 28th, 2001, 11:19 AM

BTW there is a Unix version of IE

Cander

Mar 28th, 2001, 11:32 AM

I k now Randy. It is just a pre set HTML template I used. Didnt have the time to write my own page at that time. I am creating my own page now for the site.

Randy_Bartels

Mar 28th, 2001, 11:42 AM

ahh ok....if you use WYSIWYG editors i recomment Dreamweaver or Golive

Cander

Mar 28th, 2001, 12:39 PM

I use XMLSPy which is the best. Can write html,xhtml, xml,xsl, and tons more. It rocks.

harsoni

Mar 28th, 2001, 12:59 PM

I DON'T HATE NETSCAPE THAT MUCH

Sonia

gwdash

Mar 28th, 2001, 04:05 PM

Netscape goes crazy if you have to many layers. I make pages in Dreamweaver that run fine on all versions of IE(4 and above), they just bomb on netscape. I hate having to add cross-capabilty coding to my web pages

kb244

May 31st, 2001, 01:59 PM

...no point in arguing?...

ahem, if you are a web developer, you make such a magnificent site (note if you goto my website, it's a personal site so dont come back and say "thats' magnificent?") and it works like a charm in IE , then you get something from your customers saying , that it MUST support netscape, because a couple of their clients use it, then I have to reduce a hell of alot of nice features, or spend nearly a couple days, just to figure out how to code around, or change my code to work for both IE and NS least with ASP , you can show different code for different browsers, but it's still a pain in the ass.

CiberTHuG

May 31st, 2001, 03:45 PM

Karl, how much of your site is written toward W3C and EMCA standards?

kb244

May 31st, 2001, 03:58 PM

My Personal site is written with only IE in mind, if I have to write a site for a customer(such as the State of north carolina), I try to keep it W3C as possible, but I also have to provide features that both IE and NS have.

CiberTHuG

May 31st, 2001, 04:11 PM

Well, if you knowingly write pages that do not conform to the standard, then quit your bitchin'. You can be all slap-happy, with that AOL-glaze look in your eyes over IE, but you have to understand, it very intentionally goes beyond the standard, just so people will say, "this doesn't work anywhere but IE". If you want to make the web better as a whole, then you have to work with the standard, improve and add to the standard, and not go off and do your own thing.

If you want to be a productive member of the web, then write toward the W3C HTML, XHTML, XML, and DOM standards, and the ECMA Script standards.

kb244

May 31st, 2001, 06:31 PM

standard or not, netscape is a pain in the ass to work for, even if you are intentionally making it just for NS.

sail3005

May 31st, 2001, 06:56 PM

I have completely switched over to standards now, and so i get just as pissed at IE as i do at NS6! They both have OK, but not great standards support. Write for the standatrs, and let the browsers comform to you!

kb244

May 31st, 2001, 07:18 PM

I cannot write for the standard, as my job REQUIRES the page to be both IE and NS compatible.

Sastraxi

May 31st, 2001, 07:48 PM

The Good
-- Looks and feels like Internet Explorer.
-- Just as fast.
-- MINIMIZES POP-UPS!! I LOVE THIS!!

The Bad
-- Not quite fully functional... /\
-- Permanent Banner AD ___/
-- Small window.
-- No mousewheel?

sail3005

May 31st, 2001, 07:58 PM

--the bad

not as standards compliant as IE and NS6

--the good
everything else!!! :D

Kzin

Jun 20th, 2001, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Sastraxi
The Good
-- Looks and feels like Internet Explorer.
-- Just as fast.
-- MINIMIZES POP-UPS!! I LOVE THIS!!

The Bad
-- Not quite fully functional... /\
-- Permanent Banner AD ___/
-- Small window.
-- No mousewheel?

Opera also completely Bowbs your computer

CiberTHuG

Jun 20th, 2001, 03:11 PM

If Opera bombs your computer, your computer is ****ed up!

The Good
-- Looks and feels like Internet Explorer.
-- Just as fast.
-- MINIMIZES POP-UPS!! I LOVE THIS!!

The Bad
-- Not quite fully functional... /\
-- Permanent Banner AD ___/
-- Small window.
-- No mousewheel?

Looks and feels like IE? And this is good why? Anyway, I won't get into that, since IE 'looks and feels' like Navigator/Mosaic.

"Just as fast". I'm sorry, but if Opera is running as slow as IE does on your machine, your machine is ****ed up! :)

The ad is there until you pay for the browser. Opera doesn't sell a server, so this is their only way to eat dinner. I don't mind paying since it is a great browser.

Small window? Only because of the banner ad. Get rid of the ad, and you have just as much space.

Yes, the lack of mousewheel is annoying.

Now, Opera is touted as being fully compliant, but I haven't tested anything for it, so I'm not sure. *shrug*

Chris Byrom

Jun 20th, 2001, 03:14 PM

Why would you pay for a non-compliant browser while you can get IE or Nutscrape for free? The only reason I can see is if you are trying to surf on some old POS, just because Opera's file size is so small.

CiberTHuG

Jun 20th, 2001, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by Chris Byrom
Why would you pay for a non-compliant browser while you can get IE or Nutscrape for free? The only reason I can see is if you are trying to surf on some old POS, just because Opera's file size is so small.

Well, it is supposed to be complaint, like I said, I haven't tested it. But it at least has innovation, size and speed over the others.

Besides, you are supposed to pay for IE. It is not supposed to be a free browser. But hey, no one pays for it because all of Netscapes browsers have been free.

I guess I need to work with Opera some more so I can say for sure if it is complaint or not.

Chris Byrom

Jun 20th, 2001, 03:57 PM

I guess I just hate the fact that we already have to write stuff twice, and the prospect of writing something three times to support Opera makes me even more upset. Another issue is even if it is 'compliant' with standards we all know that IE and Netscape have their own versions of compliance too, Javascript for example. I am not a big M$ homer by any means but it would not hurt my feelings if Netscape and Opera disappeared completely. Of course that would make surfing on my Linux box somewhat difficult. BTW, how big of a piece of crap is Netscape 6? I was running it on Linux and I thought it was a piece of trash.

Oh well, if my boss wants to pay me to write something two or three times I guess that is cool too. :D

CiberTHuG

Jun 20th, 2001, 04:15 PM

Netscape 6 is worlds better than Navigator 4 and Communicator 4.77. But it blows big donkey dicks.

Can I say that? Anyway... it is very much so a beast. It is large, it is slow, it opens too many connections to the server, it does not render page layouts very well at all. It is too much fluff, and not enough meat. I feel sorry if the Mozilla people are using the same Gecko engine.

I have Netscape 6 on my Linux box, but I've been using Opera. There are a couple of sites that have had problems with with Opera. I imagine these sites are built to the W3C standards anyway, so I'm not worried. One of the sites uses VBScript for client-side scripting, and IE is the only browser that supports that, so I don't mind skipping that site.

But then again, none of these sites were very fancy, using dynamic elements or widgets that would dissappear or move or whatnot. There were pretty much like VBForums.

Oh, Opera can be a dog on VBForums because of the hundreds of little images. I haven't check, but Opera might be opening a lot of connections like Netscape. IE doesn't tend to open to many connections.

For example, the pages I'm writing, which include no more than four images and a link to JavaScript source files that have to be loaded, IE opens two connections, Netscape 4.

Chris Byrom

Jun 20th, 2001, 04:45 PM

I heard they totally rewrote it(NS6). Using client-side VBScript on a public website is just dumb. We do it on our intranet some, but we can control what browser our users are required to use(IE). Actually we are getting into using a J2EE solution instead of ASP now. It is pretty neat, but I totally suck at Java right now. By the way, what are you using to test the number of connections?

CiberTHuG

Jun 20th, 2001, 04:59 PM

Oh, nothing fancy. I have IIS 5 on my W2K Pro box. I'm the only one using it, and when I pull down the page with IE, it says there are two connections. I stop the service and restart it to dump the connections, and try again with Netscape.

I started paying attention when I got messages saying he server was too busy. On W2K Pro, it has a limit of 10 connections.

Chris Byrom

Jun 20th, 2001, 05:22 PM

Cool. I will have to try that out.

sail3005

Jun 20th, 2001, 06:16 PM

Stuff is getting better, and more compliant. I can see why you would not want to do this if you were workign for a client or something, but be like me! Write for the standards, and let the browsers work around you! Let them do the extra coding!:D

CiberTHuG

Jun 20th, 2001, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by sail3005
Stuff is getting better, and more compliant. I can see why you would not want to do this if you were workign for a client or something, but be like me! Write for the standards, and let the browsers work around you! Let them do the extra coding!:D

I agree completely. And when I finally get my machine running and start rebuilding my own site, I will only write toward the standards.

sail3005

Jun 21st, 2001, 05:53 PM

Cool, another recruit! Look at http://www.brainjar.com if you have not already, that is the guy that got me thinking this way...

Silverbug

Jun 21st, 2001, 07:25 PM

well i wasnt going to lower myself and vote on this one...but what the hey. :D
Even tho i do know that netscape is probably more stable and works better, however i still dont like it that much (only through lack of use)

stickman373

Jun 21st, 2001, 07:40 PM

Just thought i would end the discussion by telling everyone the news that netscape will no longer be produced. They have no stopped developing the program. Byt the way I like IE better.:p

JoshT

Jun 22nd, 2001, 07:04 AM

Nah, Lynx is the best browser - you can get the content you want, without having to see all the junk "web designers" throw at you.:D

*Just Kidding*

alex_read

Jun 22nd, 2001, 08:32 AM

I quite like the vbworld browser Geoff did :D

gwdash

Jun 24th, 2001, 05:34 PM

which uses IE as it's core!

parksie

Jun 24th, 2001, 06:10 PM

Hehehe ;)

Anyway, Netscape 6 is still being developed!

Osnr

Jan 5th, 2003, 09:07 PM

***?!?!? I got an IE "Page could not be displayed" on netscape 7! What is this?

(BTW: I hate NS, just had a friend over)

Wydok

Jan 6th, 2003, 03:47 PM

I hate Netscape. The last project I worked on had to support Netscape 4. What a pain.

Our current web app is has requirements of Win 98+ and IE 6. Makes life easier for us.

edit . . .
Oh, yeah, I use Opera at home. It can get funky when you make the font color the same as the background color (for "inviso text"). In IE, you can highlight and see the text but Opera doesn't let you do that. There are a few other things Opera is funky with, but I still like it best.