Apple's about to core themselves...

[timeshifter]

http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/7/a...-the-nda-aapl-

[kregg]

This, in the technical world, is like spooning yourself. And yet, Apple seems pleased to be in such a position.

[GaryMazzone]

If MS pulled this crap they would be being sued again for anti-trust practices.

[Lord Orwell]

I would like to see the full text of the ndaa. That quote has an awful loft of ... in it. Any reporter can tell you that if you leave out choice words when quoting someone you can make them say whatever you want.

[mendhak]

If MS pulled this crap they would be being sued again for anti-trust practices.

And you wouldn't get many people defending it for having a lot of ... in it.

[kregg]

If MS pulled this crap they would be being sued again for anti-trust practices.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Nice to see you back.

[kregg]

I would like to see the full text of the ndaa. That quote has an awful loft of ... in it. Any reporter can tell you that if you leave out choice words when quoting someone you can make them say whatever you want.

It's not like they've gone and chose individual words like "No... copying... of our (Apple) material, software... blah blah..." They've actually chosen good sentences out of the thing. True, you need to see the bigger picture to make full judgement, but it's quite fair to say, knowing the company in general, that this is what they mean, and to be quite honest, it's a load of bull.

Still, I agree with you; I'd like to see the whole thing. I've been needing sleep for ages.

[Lord Orwell]

It's not like they've gone and chose individual words like "No... copying... of our (Apple) material, software... blah blah..." They've actually chosen good sentences out of the thing. True, you need to see the bigger picture to make full judgement, but it's quite fair to say, knowing the company in general, that this is what they mean, and to be quite honest, it's a load of bull.

Still, I agree with you; I'd like to see the whole thing. I've been needing sleep for ages.

i was referring to a single line with whole snippets removed.
"You agree that the Developer Software licensed hereunder ... will be considered and referred to ... as "Confidential Information"

Here's the whole sentence:

5.1 Information Deemed Confidential
You agree that the SDK licensed hereunder, the terms and conditions of this Agreement, and any
other non-public information that You learn about Apple’s products, designs, research,
development, know-how, or Apple’s business, finances or personnel, or non-public third party
information, in connection with this Agreement or in connection with Your use of any part of the
SDK will be deemed “Apple Confidential Information” under this Agreement.

Oddly enough, "terms and conditions of this agreement" pops out at me. Evidently it's against their NDA to tell people what is in the NDA.

[kregg]

ROFLMAO. Nice find Lord Orwell.

Also, after I posted, I found out that sentence...

[TheBigB]

They're hiding something...
Probably stolen firmware base, like they did with the iPod...

[kregg]

Stolen firmware base? Hello...

[Lord Orwell]

isn't their firmware open source?

[MaximilianMayrhofer]

Built on UNIX doesn't count as open-source.

[TheBigB]

Background info

[Lord Orwell]

Built on UNIX doesn't count as open-source.

i said FIRMWARE not OS