M$ to kill VB!!!!!!!!

[chenko]

Ive heard that microsoft is gonna kill VB... my self i think this is bu!!***** i think VB is to big to kill and replace by another language

ok option 2 is supposed to read "its bu!!***** man stay off the paint chips!!"

not

"its bu!!***** man stay of the paint chips!!"

i find it quite annoying that you cant edit your poll, but i do understand why admin dont:mad:

[nukem996]

think about it, microsoft isnt known for java. they need something to compeat with java. vb cannt do that. this is where the rumor of vb7 can run on linux, its a new lang. most comanys use c++ or java alot are going to java. but they use ibm java or sun java thiers alot of diffrent java compilers. so they cannt take over the java market.

vb7 beta was a way to make microsoft a few million before they kill it.

[nukem996]

COME ON PPL VOTE!!!!!

So they wasted all that time and money to bulid vb.NET from scratch just to scrap it... what about vs.NET (vc.NET etc..)

Its just stupid...

[SteveCRM]

C# (C sharp) is supposed to have the easy usability (is that a word?) of VB and the power of C++. Its to compete with JAVA. (I think ;) )

[nukem996]

companys want c++. most small programers like us use vb, and c++ everyone uses.

VB is way too big to kill. MS may as well shut the doors if they do that! Bill didn't get rich because he's stupid ya know. C# is Bills answer to Java.

I like the rumors about VS.NET running on Linux if they're true. It's not out of the question and would be an excellent position for MS to take but I'd have thought we would have seen propaganda about it by now if it was fair dinkum. But I hope so.

[nukem996]

the earliest version of c++ was made in the 1970's. most people use microsoft vc++, but if your like me all i need is a compiler ill do it to old way and do it in notepad then compile it. microsoft dosent have copy right to it, any one can make a compiler for c++. but if they made thier own lang thats like java and c++ they can copy right it and every one would have to buy thier product.

[HarryW]

Nukem, Madworm is talking about C# not C++.

I don't think M$ will kill off VB. They already have ASP and VBScript running on the Basic syntax, and VB has a large user base. Companies don't just want C++, VB has a place in the market that is quite different from VB. VB is for rapid development, and it does a fine job at that. That's a role that C++ is not perfectly suited for, and that's the reason VB is so popular.

[parksie]

And we hear so much about DAO and ADO in VB...but no--one wants to try it in C++ :rolleyes:

Wonder why ;)

Probably because it sucks the life out of you, but oh well :p

and also M$ has injected i think bout $10-15M into ASP

BTW Morning all

I don't reckon they'll just get rid of it, but I do think it will evolve into another language, like VB evolved from QB. If you see what I mean.

[nukem996]

1st of all M$ is known for killing a product and makeing you learn how to use a new one, that could be better or worse. M$ could make billions on a new lang, if its as good as java. comanies like IBM and Sun dont use vb, they use c++ and java. most comanies use java and c++ for thier programs, they might use vb to make small programs. most people dont use vbscript, if u use that it will only for on a win computer that has all the vb dll's. how do u make a dll? u need to do it in c or c++.

[Active]

According to the .NET Framework Developers Guide (Beta
1), there are a handful of specific changes made in
VB.NET that may cause existing VB and VBScript apps to
fail. For example:

* Parentheses are now required around parameters in all
method calls.

* Arguments are passed by value by default -- not by
reference.

* Objects don't have default properties, so the onus is
on us to spell everything out. For instance, the text
values of text boxes must now be referenced as:

String str = TextBox1.Text

* The Integer data type is 32 bits, and the Long data
type is 64 bits.

* Multi-part Boolean expressions are short-circuited. If
the first part of a multiple AND or OR expression
evaluates to False, evaluation terminates and the entire
expression returns False.

* The data type Variant no longer exists and has been
replaced with the type Object.

* Object types must be explicitly cast to any other
primitive data type. Implicit type casting is risky. For
instance, always cast numerical values to String if a
String is expected:

Response.Write("The count is " & CStr(count))

* Variables dimensioned within the same Dim statement
will be of the same type. For example, in the Dim
statement Dim i, j, k As Integer, i, j, and k will be
dimensioned as Integers. Previous versions of VB would
dimension i and j as Variants and k as Integer.

* Set and Let are no longer supported. Objects can be
assigned by a simple equality operation: Object1 =
Object2.

* Class property syntax has changed. Forget Property Let,
Property Get, and Property Set. The new syntax is similar
to that in C#:

Public Property ThisProperty As String
Get
ThisProperty = InternalValue
End Get
Set
InternalValue = ThisProperty
End Set
End Property

* Spaces must always be included around the & operator
when concatenating strings. VBScript allowed a&b&c; this
must now be written as a & b & c to avoid a syntax error.
(Note also that in VB6, the operators And, Or, Xor, and
Not are used for both Boolean and bitwise operations. In
VB.NET, however, And, Or, Xor, and Not are strictly
Boolean operators, while BitAnd, BitOr, BitXor, and
BitNot are introduced for bitwise operations. If an
operand to a Boolean operator is of a numeric data type,
it's converted to the Boolean type before the operation
is evaluated.)

* VB.NET drops the Eqv and Imp operators. You can use the
equals (=) comparison operator in place of Eqv for both
Boolean and bitwise evaluations, and you can replace the
logical and bitwise Imp operator with an expression using
the Not/Or and BitNot/BitOr, respectively.

* All If statements must be constructed on multiple
lines. With VBScript, it was possible to write a single
line If statement -- i.e., If x Then y. In VB.NET,
however, this has to be written as:

If x Then
y
End if

[HarryW]

Wow, a lot of emphasis on strong-typing. All sounds reasonable to me except the last one (if statements), that's just a pain in the ass.

Nukem - A lot of companies use VB. It's not jsut a toy language, it's used in many different areas for many different things. Look at the Office suite of programs - they all work with VBA behind them, essentially a custom version of VB. M$ are planning on making money from a new language (maybe not billions though), they've got C#. To be honest I'm not sure where this is going to fit in yet. One of the major reasons people use Java is because the bytecode it compiles to is platform-independant, and I would lay money that C# isn't going to be platform independant.

[nukem996]

yes alot of office was programed in vb. but thats cause it was the easyest way to do it. vb is gona get killed. in all of your thing your saying something like "its gona be turned into a new lang" this basicly means thier killing vb and makeing a new lang. it might have some similar code as vb but it will not be vb. it will be C#, thats what most people think. and most comanys dont use vb. name one big comanpy that uses vb. one as big as IBM or Sun.

[HarryW]

Err... I never said Office was programmed in VB, I'm pretty sure it will have been done in C++. I'm talking about VBA, for writing macros.

IBM and Sun might well use VB for some things. It's often used as a prototyping language because it's designed for RAD. How do you expect me to name a company that uses it? I don't know what specific companies use. I suppose that because everybody uses C++ and Java that means nobody uses ADA? Or CAVO? Just because a lot of apps are written in C++ doesn't mean nobody uses VB.

I'm not saying anything about VB evolving into C#, C# is a new thing that M$ are doing. If you've never come across VB in industrial use I can imagine you might think noone uses it, but I have, and companies do use it.

Well nukem i see im winning!:D

VB is mainly used for business applications, it's very easy and fast, and there are VB developers coming out of everybodies ass, so you'll be able to find somebody good and cheap to get the job done.
I don't mean commercial applications, but more like what businesses use to do all their work...

[nukem996]

ok ive been in IBM's main programing building, and they dont use vb. they dont even have windows. and simon even if u do win this, i will still think that vb is gona get killed my M$. ill think that till bill gates calls me and says thier not and sends me the first copy of vb7 thier is. if you get your phd you dont goto a comany and program vb, u program c++ or java, even if u dont get a phd ull do that. and whats the advantage of vb? its faster. so what!!! its faster for people who cannt do any other lang. if u know c++ or java well ull be makeing c++ and java programs faster, and they can run on any os.

[HarryW]

I'm sorry Nukem, but I have come to the conclusion that you don't know what you're on about, and as such I'm not going to bother trying to explain anything else.

Once again, I agree with Harry.... it doesn't matter what language you program in, VB has the best RAD environment there is, and therefore, applications in VB will be made faster. I really dislike VB, but applications can be made in it faster than most anything else.

And nukem, did you go into EVERY office in the IBM building, and sort through ALL the source code, just to make sure they didn't use Win + VB?

And please, spell correctly!
it's very hard to read ur ull u and r

[nukem996]

i went to the one in hawthorn NY. and i asked the programers what lang they used. they said c++, c, java, and pearl. no vb. yes in the web area they use win, but not in the programing area. for alot its the web os i think its lotis notes.

[parksie]

Notes isn't an OS...it's just a teamwork program.

I'm still skeptical about you, a 13-year-old, going into the IBM building and talking to the programmers :rolleyes:

yes, and Pearl is obsolete now...

[nukem996]

i have family who work thier.

[HarryW]

IBM are hardly representative of the industry as a whole, especially not one site.

[substring]

No, MS is not going to kill VB. VB is going to be around for many years.

MS is very afraid of Java and Linux, and that's why they come up with this .NET thing, is to "combat" with Java.

Every language has its strength and weakness. Therefore, we should use all of them for what they are good for. There is no "be-all-and-end-all" programming language out there. At least not yet.

Besides, as long as we are good programmers with solid foundation on logic and algorithm, it does not matter what language that comes along, we should be able to pick it up with no problem.

Just my 2 cents.

substring.

Originally posted by HarryW
I'm sorry Nukem, but I have come to the conclusion that you don't know what you're on about.

I agree and I think nukem should do a little research into this, and think, what type of company is IBM? how many others are there like them? how many OTHER types of companies are there? i think IBM do a slightly different job to main stream software producers who are the main point when talking bout programming in companys, dont you think? and what % of non-software producing companys use WINDOWS, i dont think you would see a steel company using solaris or *nix systems eh? we all program mainly VB here...

nukem, one word... RESEARCH (not word of mouth)
Simon

[Active]

So this kid ....nukem, found that IBM is Using LOTUS NOTES OPERATING SYSTEM and MS OFFICE was
programmed in visual basic.

What Next nukem ?
Shall we have MSOutlook operating system ?
or Microsoft Word Operating System ?

Are you kidding?

I heard Sun was using MS IE(and of course, everybody knows it was programmed in turbo pascal) as an operating system..

LOL @ every1 :D

[nukem996]

the future is java.

[parksie]

No it's not...it's orange...... ;)

[nukem996]

ok i didnt get that.

[parksie]

A company called Orange supply mobile phones, and their slogan is:

"The future's bright, the future's Orange"

:rolleyes:

[Active]

Hey Nukem, You are really Cute.

At just 13, You can talk assertively about computers.
[Whether it is right or wrong is different]

When I was 13... I din't even know how to switch on
the VCR.

If You could talk more on things that are possible
you can very well be the next young hero here after dennis.

Whatever I meant is to be taken as a complement.
Best of Luck.

[HarryW]

Java is now, the future will be a lot of different things.

[nukem996]

heard of them

[nukem996]

in the future almost every one will be useing java, right now i dont even know java. im working on c and c++. then java.

[nukem996]

i can program my vcr. but now we use are computers for DVD players, and i can program those too.

[HarryW]

Seriously, they won't. Java has a definite place, just as VB does, and C, and C++, and Lisp, and Ada, and Prolog, and Assembly and just about anything else you might care to mention. Java has its drawbacks as well as its benefits. Besides, in time Java will be superseded in its market position just like everything else.

First of all, Orange is a company in the UK, which is why you never heard of them,
second, people will not be using Java in the future, well they will be, but not the extent you say. What makes you think that?

Java is good for some things, but it doesn't even compare with C++. It must be interpreted, and C++ is an average of 56.6% faster than Java, why would anybody rather use Java?

Java is great for websites, but it's being replaced with something better: Flash.

And we're all sure you can program your VCR, but frankly, we don't care.

[nukem996]

java is the future, u can make one version for every os. and now people are getting faster computers. and its only 4 sec.

4 seconds is A LOT, but I misstyped it, was really microseconds, not milli.

and WHY THE **** DO YOU THINK THEY CALL C++ PLATFORM INDEPENDANT?

Java has to be INTERPRETED, C++ is COMPILED, and can be for ALMOST EVERY common O/S. WITHOUT THE RUNTIMES!

[HarryW]

Nukem, we know all about Java and what it can (and cannot) do. You can compile your Java code to byte code, yes, and that bytecode will run on a JVM on any platform, yes, but it is interpreted (or just-in-time compiled) on that platform, which is not particularly efficient.

Also, the fact that computers are getting faster is irrelevant, what we need is efficiency. Programs are getting more complex, and without efficiency those hardware improvements are near useless. have you noticed how the same office apps that you used to run on DOS (if you ever ran anything on DOS that is) actually seemed to run faster than the modern ones do on modern computers? They were simpler, and more efficient. Efficiency is nearly always more important than clock speed.

I may have confused some people, by run times I meant the JVM...

[nukem996]

the best defionition for a computer is a input output mechine. more complex programs just mean thier is more to input and output. i know that java dose that up alot of memory, the IBM compiler likes to have 1/2 gig of memeory.

[Active]

Nukem You are Very Very Correct.
All others don't know anything.
They are Just trying to confuse you.
Now Go and Have some peaceful sleep.

YES!!! my first thread which has gained more than one page!! wooooooooooooohoooooooooooo

[HarryW]

:rolleyes:

This is also the first time in a thread where nukem996 made a complete ass of himself... oh wait, no it's not.

[nukem996]

thx Active.
and really we wont know thats gona happen till it happens. THEN YOU'LL SEE THAT ALL THAT DISORGREE WITH ME IS MAKEING AN ASS OF THEMSELF!!!!!!

[nukem996]

what am i gona have to pay up??? we didnt make any sort of bet.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, ROTFLMAO....

we will be making an ass of ourselves?
well, at least we've had plenty of examples of how to do it from all of your posts...


Active was just agreeing with you so you would shut the hell up, I thought you would have noticed that.....

and WHY would microsoft "kill" vb? a lot of people use it, and they make a lot of money from it.....

would you PLEASE STOP MAKING A ****ING ASS OF YOURSELF?

it's funny, but it's really starting to get annoying....


you are ASSUMMING that they are going to get rid of it, which is very unlikely. You shouldn't assume ANYTHING without FACT to back the assumption up.. dumbass...

[nukem996]

THE GUY I GOT THIS FROM HAS NEAVER BEEN WRONG ABOUT ANYTHING I ASKED HIM!!!!!! REMEMBER WHAT I SAID BEFORE!?!?!?!? WE WILL NOT KNOW WHOIS RIGHT TILL IT HAPPENS!!!! ITS THE TRUTH U(YOU) COULD BE RIGHT OR I COULD!!!!!

[HarryW]

Oh my gosh, 'dewd', I haven't heard that since I played Ultima Online. It's mainly the people that come on at about 3pm (ie little kids just home from school) that say that kind of thing, it's hilarious ;)

Anyway if Active says you're right, then I'm sure it's true :rolleyes:




*Snigger*

Originally posted by nukem996
THE GUY I GOT THIS FROM HAS NEAVER BEEN WRONG ABOUT ANYTHING I ASKED HIM!!!!!! REMEMBER WHAT I SAID BEFORE!?!?!?!? WE WILL NOT KNOW WHOIS RIGHT TILL IT HAPPENS!!!! ITS THE TRUTH U(YOU) COULD BE RIGHT OR I COULD!!!!!

It doesn't matter if he's never been wrong, I've never jumped off the roof of my house because I'm tired of dealing with stupid people, but that may very well change.

And what if it doesn't happen?

and why did you say U(YOU)?

I know what u is, but it just annoys the living **** out of me when people use it......

AND DON'T ****ING TYPE IN ALL CAPS!!!!!!

[nukem996]

THE GUYS WORKS AT IBM IVE MEET HIM!!!!

[nukem996]

funney thing. u all think every one uses windows. well this site dosent, it uses a 220 linux1370 FTP server (Version wu-2.6.0(2). and dont say every one uses a linux or unix server cause they dont. u can use win nt, 2000.

[HarryW]

Well gee, shall we just call you Sherlock from now on?


So what's the deal with this guy? You keep going on about him so we ought to get it clear what you're trying to say. Either:

A) You misunderstood what this guy (who works at IBM so he must be a genius) was saying, thus making false statements and rebuking people's efforts to correct you, and making you look stupid on a public forum.

or

B) This person, although they work at IBM (clear genius right there) was wrong, and is in fact a complete moron. Through no fault of your own you were horribly misinformed and led to make yourself look stupid on a public forum.


Those are your two options. I know which I'm betting on.

[nukem996]

LOOK AT IT NOW!!!!!

[HarryW]

Yeah I saw it. So did you misunderstand or is the guy a moron?

[sail3005]

nukem, why can't you ever accept the fact that you are wrong and LEARN from what some people have to say!?! Also, i can't speak for everyone else in here, but i know that everyone does not use windows. I have more non MS windows operating systems running, than i have MS windows OS's running!

Hes is right about one thing and that is C# but anyone can guess that... but all the rest is stupid speculation, and u know the guys at IBM, the will belive anything a bee wud tell em':D

THE INTERNET IS NOT LIKE A GODDAMN PIPE YOU ****ING RETARD!!!!

[CyberSurfer]

Nukem, what is this IBM guy? A secretary or something? The internet (and I KNOW this for a fact!!!) is basically a huge network of computers. It is basically like the network at your school (which you and your cool friends have no doubt hacked), but ever so slightly larger.

Just for a second, lets ASSUME that you're right. Then answer these questions, or get the IBM superman to answer.

Where is this pipe located?

Who owns it?

Why has no-one on this forum heard of it?

When are you going to fix your ****ing attitude problem?

Originally posted by denniswrenn
THE INTERNET IS NOT LIKE A GODDAMN PIPE YOU ****ING RETARD!!!!

who's that to?
if its to me i don't understand?

[CyberSurfer]

That was to Nukem with love from Dennis...

oh i just read nukems txt doc... and its B_U_L_L_S_H_I_T!!!! the internet is comprised of thousands of thousands of client, servers and the main DNS servers.... its more complicated than a pipe network!!!!

yes indeed that was directed to nukem.. if you haven't noticed, I have a little problem against him.......
the internet is like a series, or a net of pipes, but it is not like one pipe!!

Originally posted by CyberSurfer
That was to Nukem with love from Dennis...

GO DENNIS GO DENNIS....
LOL

[CyberSurfer]

I think I have a problem with Nukem too...If he even attempts to make my internal speaker beep, I shall stab him with sharp sticks!!!

If anyone tried to do that i would fire there internal speaker up there ass! using a ****ing jet engine!!!

[CyberSurfer]

Yep....I have a bunch of stuff that Nukem would probably use to call himself a "Hacker", but I've only ever used it over a LAN, on two PCs I own, to learn how to defend against people like Nukems friends..

Anyway, I'm off home now... See Y'all tonight!

yea man, i learnt to hack and the **** you can do, nukem probaly doesnt know wat is possible from it, i dont hack anymore thou, but its gud to know how to defend youself... cya later Jon

Originally posted by Active
Hey Nukem, You are really Cute.

At just 13, You can talk assertively about computers.
[Whether it is right or wrong is different]

When I was 13... I din't even know how to switch on
the VCR.

If You could talk more on things that are possible
you can very well be the next young hero here after dennis.

Whatever I meant is to be taken as a complement.
Best of Luck.

if hes cute wat am i...? i learnt BASIC when i was 7, HTML then i was 12-14 (cant remember) and i cud program a VCR at 7 and i gained a power user cert in win3.11 (no comments please, i do have my win95, 98 certs too)

[sail3005]

nukem cannot understand and accept the fact that the internet is a Net and NOT a pipe because his small brain cannot imagine something as big as a world wide net. So in order for him to think about it, he has to squeeze it down to a pipe, into something small, that he can understand.

[Active]

*Active Gives a round of Applause for Chenko *

Satisfied ?

Oh thank you :)

it was only a lighthearted comment anyway hehe:D

[parksie]

Whoa!!!!!!

MAJOR attitude warzone!!!!

I be keeping down on da floor :rolleyes:

Originally posted by parksie
MAJOR attitude warzone!!!!

whos that pointed to? (im not snapping)

[HarryW]

Just people in general I think ;)

hope i dont :(

[HarryW]

Don't what? He wasn't saying anything bad about anyone (not really).

i hope i dont have an attitude problem, i wasnt snaping neways

[HarryW]

Nahh course not mate :)

:) naturally

[Iain17]

Just as a matter of interest, well if it hasn’t been mentioned already, and a way to stop you all flaming that poor mislead young person, VB.net will also be an interpreted language, along with C#, with only C++ being able to target native win32 code.

[HarryW]

Ahh, but what about Delphi? ;) Must be a Delphi-loving psycho around here somewhere.

[Iain17]

What at VB-World? ;)

[HarryW]

They turn up in the strangest places, honestly ;) Never know when one's gonna jump you.

[Iain17]

Well if the truth be known, i like the idea of it, as i grew up on pascal, and delphi is pascal right?

Yes.... pascal is a bad bad language........
:eek:

ive neva com across a Delphi programmer... i hope i dont quite frankly

[HarryW]

Delphi uses Object Pascal, which I suppose is to Pascal what C++ is to C.

It's actually not that bad, but don't tell anyone I said that.

Dont worry harry we wont tell, we all go thru mad spells, i had that when i thought BASIC was acctually quite good :Dhehe *sniggers and thinks, umm how can i have fun with this*

[parksie]

I learnt BASIC as my first language.

(before English, I mean :p)

I think I'll stick with C++... then when I get to be extremely good in that... I'll learn ASM......

:cool:

as soon as I finish learning advanced inheritence, and binary tree's...... I can start learning ASM :D

Originally posted by parksie
I learnt BASIC as my first language.

(before English, I mean :p)

wat age at?

[parksie]

Well...I learnt English first.... ;)

I first started using BASIC at 5....and had produced a working program before my 7th birthday :)

I started learning C when I was 9 and moved onto C++ when I was 13.

I learnded English first, then I learned HTML, then JavaScript, ...., C++, PHP... dann erlernte ich Deutschen...

[parksie]

Isn't it dann habe ich Deutsch gelernt/gelernen?

Or is this an exception (I didn't get very far so corrections to my limited knowledge are appreciated)

I have no clue... I don't know the gelernt verb yet.... I just translated with altavista....

[parksie]

It's the past participle (is it called that?) of lernen.
The verb goes at the end, I think.

[HarryW]

Dennis, binary trees are a piece of cake, even easier than generic free trees. I would imagine that too much inheritance will melt your brain though :rolleyes:

[parksie]

It melted mine...that's why I don't know how stdarg works :(

huh?

[nukem996]

"and this is just one small part of the net." my txt
dennis "the internet is like a series, or a net of pipes, but it is not like one pipe!!"

thats pretty much the same thing. and if u didnt get it i ment that my pic was A EXTERMLY SMALL PART OF THE NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DENNIS STOP BEING SO MOFOING HIPPICRICAL!!!! FIRST U SAY "THE INTERNET IS NOT LIKE A GODDAMN PIPE YOU ****ING RETARD!!!!" THEN U SAY "the internet is like a series, or a net of pipes, but it is not like one pipe!!"

everyone, do you think we have enough clue to who nukem is to get him busted for "hacking" IBM LOLOLOLOLOL *laughs*

[Iain17]

I seriously suggest you calm down a bit there matey boy. This forum is not the place for relieving your Teen Angst.

[sail3005]

Ok, this is getting very old. I have just decided to accept the fact that nukem is a retard that can't learn. Let him think what he wants to think.

and if it carries on i will just delete this thread

[nukem996]

im showing u the comparison, i do admite that something that i said where wrong. but what me and dennis say r pretty much the same. i was just pointing that out.

The pipe system was invented to explain the internet easier?

pipes were invented BEFORE THE INTERNET.


And why am I hypocritical?

your illustration said that there was one large pipe, and everybody was connected to it.

but it's more like a million small pipes that connect everything to everything else.


NOT a million small pipes connected to one big pipe.

[HarryW]

It's a crap example.

Sail - I'm with you on this.

And im with you too...

fu<k i feel like ****...didnt get to sleep until 6am and ive only just woken up!!

[parksie]

I've unfortunately been awake since this morning :(
Considering I was still posting at 2am that's quite an achievement :p

I was still posting until 5am but i was on the internet until 6am, so i was on for 12 hours straight! LOL

[parksie]

So you had more than about 4 hours' sleep? I had to drive my mum to Tesco at about 9:30......and I got to sleep at around 4am :D

Ive just realize that i must have been awake earlier this morning as my mum was waving my fone bill at me:rolleyes: i think that was 9am

[nukem996]

I SAID THE NET IS A NETWORK OF NETWORKS!!!!
AND DENNIS TELLS ME THAT IF I DOS HACK INTO HIS COMPUTER IT WILL SHUT DOWN THE WEB!!!! THINK THATS TRUE. FROM WHAT U ALL TELL ME ITS NOT!!!! SO GO **** W/ HIM!!!!

just stop this!

[parksie]

This is starting to get very tedious :rolleyes:

I was being a smart ass you ****ing retarded monkey scrotum!!!!

Im pissed off, im closing!
bye nukem u assh0le

good for you! close it now!