What is the latest VB??

[atrglock]

I have VB 2005 express... I saw someone say that this was old... is there a newer version out that I don't know about????

[space_monkey]

nope that's the latest version. bear in mind its not the full version as there is pro and enterprise versions but that is the latest version.

[atrglock]

but for the full version you have to pay for it or something????

[RobDog888]

Yes, its not cheap either.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/products/compare/

[atrglock]

ah... so then does 2005 express have limitations??? kinda like a demo has???

[chemicalNova]

Actually,

ok I am new to VB 5 express and I have a question... What is the code for opening a picture?? like a .jpg???

You said VB5, which is why I said it was old. Again, I saw you posted in the .NET forum, and before you posted this I asked you what you were using..

chem

[Arrow_Raider]

ah... so then does 2005 express have limitations??? kinda like a demo has???

The biggest problems I have had with it is:
-When you work with datasources, it doesn't let you communicate with a SQL server directly; it instead makes you attatch a sql server database file to your local sql express server.
-You can't create setup projects to create setup packages for your application.

[grilkip]

ah... so then does 2005 express have limitations??? kinda like a demo has???Not really, you could use a text editor to code VB.NET against .NET 2.0. VB Express just lacks some of the tools that the paid versions have.

[space_monkey]

ah... so then does 2005 express have limitations??? kinda like a demo has???
its not a demo per se but kinda watered down version you can look at that link rob provided and see which features are included in the express version and which are not.

[RobDog888]

I trust everyone is ready for the next version of VS.NET? Orcas?

[atrglock]

ah ok I get it...thanks guys...

[chemicalNova]

I trust everyone is ready for the next version of VS.NET? Orcas?

Haven't heard anything about it! Although, really, I'm focusing more on other things these days, in preperation for an interview at a game programming school :D

chem

[RobDog888]

Its been mentioned for about a year now. VS 9.0


http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/future/default.aspx

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=5A0AE4CD-DC79-4B12-8A05-B6195F89FFA2&displaylang=en

[atrglock]

I didn't check out the links you posted... but when is it going to be out??? and is it going to be free?

[RobDog888]

Probably wont be out for 2 years or so (think I read somewhere 2008) but who knows. Maybe they will follow the same free offer like they are doing with 2005 Express.

The regular versions definately wont be free as shown in the past.

[atrglock]

ah ok COOL.. :) :wave: :wave: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

[RobDog888]

Currently the 2005 VSTS version is over $5,000 and if you buy it with a universal msdn subscription then its $10,900.

[Jacob Roman]

Actually,

You said VB5, which is why I said it was old. Again, I saw you posted in the .NET forum, and before you posted this I asked you what you were using..

chem

I still use VB5 :(

[RobDog888]

Yes, we all know you dont want to download the free 2005 VS.NET Express version because it will mean you will have to write all your Folder Flooder virus' again :D

[atrglock]

Lol :D :lol: :lol: :lol:

[MartinLiss]

Moved.

[Jacob Roman]

Yes, we all know you dont want to download the free 2005 VS.NET Express version because it will mean you will have to write all your Folder Flooder virus' again :D

My folder flooder was the bomb, admit it. Almost made it into a worm too. :bigyello:

Go ahead and laugh. VB5 maybe dead but I still can do stuff like these:

http://www.vbforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=42801
http://www.vbforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35114
http://www.vbforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=47854

[RobDog888]

Teapots!!! :lol:

That confirms everything.

Gemini? If you want to look professional you should always use Technics 1200's


You know yoiu can do soooo much more in .NET.

[Jacob Roman]

Couldn't find a decent technics image so I took a nice large gemini image.

[RhinoBull]

I trust everyone is ready for the next version of VS.NET? Orcas?

Perhaps... Problem is - MS keeps breaking compatibility. There were tons between 2003 and 2005 so I'm afraid to even think what's going to be as of next release... Unlike MS really... :sick:

[jmcilhinney]

Comments on Orcas. Given that VS 2005 was really very flaky when it was released, I think that Microsoft realise that they had better get the next version done properly. All previous versions of VS have been released to coincide with the release of the corresponding Framework, which is why VS 2005 was rushed out. Given that VS 2005 SP1 has not yet been released, which will give us the product we should have had in the first place, and .NET 3.0 HAS been released, I think it will definitely be some time before we see Orcas. This is backed up by the fact that Microsoft is releasing add-ons for VS 2005 to allow developers to create .NET 3.0/Vista applications. Workflow is already available and Presentation and Communication are in late testing. Being able to target .NET 3.0 with VS 2005 would hurt Orcas sales if it was due any time soon, and you know Microsoft wouldn't jeopardise sales.

[RhinoBull]

...I think that Microsoft realise that they had better get the next version done properly...
I can see people at MS laughing at this - it never happend and never will. :)
Point of making sw is to rush it out so you can start making quick (and BIG) bucks on support. On average 60-70% of income comes from support and rest from sales.

[RobDog888]

Right, if it was perfect, or reasonably close, they would have a huge investment in the beginning getting it oput. Then there would be no after relase money meaning that if they didnt turn a big profit initially, they would go bankrupt.

VSTO 2005 SE is out now too and it supports Office 2007. So instead of waiting for Orcas they released it for 2005.

[RhinoBull]

And actually it's almost the same way in any other (agricultural or manufacturing) industry:
tomatoes and bananas are cut green, most of the cars are sold not fully developed, car dealers make [a lot] more money by saling parts than cars, etc, etc, etc... Making SW is no different.

[jmcilhinney]

By "properly" I don't mean perfect but, seriously, VS 2005 was a pile of cr*p when it was released, which also means that it still is. The IDE and the Framework are full of good and great features but, stability-wise, it's abysmal. Microsoft certainly don't have the greatest reputation as far as bug-free software goes but I would be ashamed to even use the term "Release Candidate" in reference to a product with as many serious and obvious bugs as VS 2005 has.

I couldn't even create a Data Source in VB Express because it would crash every time. Even VS Pro has a lot of issues related to Data Sources and typed DataSets. Some may say that it serves me right for using the IDE to generate DAOs but the new features really are very good. They just don't work properly. I'm quite sure those data access features were something that Microsoft considered a big selling point but if they don't work then that's lots of egg on the face.

Vista is here, thus so is .NET 3.0. Given that each VS/.NET release has been coincident in the past I would guess that this one was supposed to be too but things are just getting too complex for that to happen now so they've had to change tack. I reckon that Orcas was supposed to be available to help drive interest in Vista by facilitating development of compelling applications. Orcas just isn't ready though, so they're shoehorning some of it's functionality into VS 2005 so that those apps can still be created. I'm assuming that SP1 will fix most of the glaring issues with the main features of VS 2005, including Data sources. If Microsoft don't "get it right" with Orcas then you may find more people using C# Builder and I may be one of them. I don't think I fancy waiting a year to get a release-quality product again.

[rory]

are there any software developer programs for Windows XP, not made by MS .. like free ones . but Visual?

[RobDog888]

I believe there is one called Sharp Develop. It uses the framework and you can compile .NET projects etc. for free.

[rory]

found it thanks .. :wave:
http://sharpdevelop.net/

[RobDog888]

You will want to verify if it now supports version 2.0 of the MS Framework.

[rory]

yes it does .. also lets me do MsgBox("test") :p

[RobDog888]

Dont fight change as you should eventually be changing to an OOP architecture in your programs.

[rory]

Dont fight change as you should eventually be changing to an OOP architecture in your programs.


Please define OOP? :wave:

[penagate]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming

[eSPiYa]

I trust everyone is ready for the next version of VS.NET? Orcas?


I'm almost ready. I finished of some Free MS E-learnings about .NET 3.0. :p
2 more courses to go then I'll search again for other free MS E-learnings. ;)

[rory]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming

this would have been better :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-based_language

[penagate]

Well then why didn't you?

[RobDog888]

Didnt who what? :confused:

[rory]

Well then why didn't you?
because i wait for RobDog's detail on it .. since he brought it up .. :D

Isnt programming alot more than what language you use :wave:

MsgBox(someuselessthing) worked all these years for professional progammers .. now it doesnt since MS came out with yet another memory hog of a program.. does that mean what those pros did all this time was unprofessional.... well i'll leave that to them to decide .. :eek2:

change is only good if it makes some sense /.. :afrog:

[RobDog888]

I took it as you were writting MsgBox "Meow" in VB.NET as it would be legacy code syntax of the weakly supported Microsoft.VisualBasic namespace/class. Probably in the next version, Orcas, it may no longer be supported so then it will force you to adopt OOP style. MessageBox.Show("Meow.NET")

[rory]

so just a different sytax for doing exactly the same thing ..
i was only playin though to see if it actually worked in .net ... :D

as for support from MS .. i dont need it [and they wont gimee it] .. :wave:

[penagate]

It is the same syntax as VB6: Object.MemberFunction(args).

It is simply the implementation of namespacing and proper hierarchial organisation, which are principles of proper OOD (you can look that one up too).

[Valleysboy1978]

I can see people at MS laughing at this - it never happend and never will. :)
Point of making sw is to rush it out so you can start making quick (and BIG) bucks on support. On average 60-70% of income comes from support and rest from sales.We are a relatively small software house and about 80% of our income is from licences, support and enhancements. Very little is from initial contracts

[RobDog888]

Probably meant from MS' viewpoint.

Reoccuring revenue is one key to a sucessful sw business as competition is always so very competitive.

[RhinoBull]

We are a relatively small software house and about 80% of our income is from licences, support and enhancements. Very little is from initial contracts
That sounds about right...

[Valleysboy1978]

And from that basis, the motivation to create flawless software from the outset isn't very convincing ;)