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sheikh78
Jun 8th, 2006, 09:17 PM
Windows Vista is ready at microsoft. The CPP was opened just a few hours ago. I was just wondering how to make it so that both OS's are on one hard drive but you can select which OS you would like to boot? I think you have to partition the drive? Help Please!
Kasracer
Jun 8th, 2006, 10:23 PM
You have to partition your drive to put multiple OSes on it. Remember, if your drive is currently 1 partition, re-partitioning it is destructive and it'll wipe all of your current data. Now you can use an application called partition magic to re-size your original partition without losing all of your data but your results may vary as partition magic isn't perfect and can cause problems.

Once you have your drive in at least 2 partitions with windows xp on partition 1 or 2, just installed Vista and make sure you select the empty partition. It'll automatically set it up to choose between versions of Windows (It's been this way sinceWIndows NT or 2000 I believe).
iPrank
Jun 8th, 2006, 10:35 PM
Does Vista still uses Win API (and runs .NET on top of it) ?
Or it is a true .NET OS ?
ComputerJy
Jun 9th, 2006, 02:35 AM
Does Vista still uses Win API (and runs .NET on top of it) ?
Or it is a true .NET OS ?
If it's pure .NET, it'll be the worst windows ever, worse than ME
mendhak
Jun 9th, 2006, 05:46 AM
Vista uses WinFx which contains both Win APIs as well as the .NET Framework.


If it's pure .NET, it'll be the worst windows ever, worse than ME


Care to explain that?
ComputerJy
Jun 9th, 2006, 05:52 AM
Vista uses WinFx which contains both Win APIs as well as the .NET Framework.



Care to explain that?
Have you tried running 5-6 .NET Apps at the same time?
How about an entire system
mendhak
Jun 9th, 2006, 07:48 AM
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that. :(

Apps != Operating System.
ComputerJy
Jun 9th, 2006, 09:32 AM
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that. :(

Apps != Operating System.
This is a VB place, use <>
anyway, I meant all windows applications (calc, games, help, IE) will use .NET
mendhak
Jun 9th, 2006, 09:38 AM
Don't worry about it, they'll be fine.

Actually, let me retract that statement.

Let's wait and see. Because MS wouldn't choose to run all their apps on .NET just for the sake of making the most of it and because they love it so. ROIs are very important, so a wrong decision could cost billions.

Which is why Microsoft is the largest R&D company in the world.
sheikh78
Jun 9th, 2006, 11:16 AM
You have to partition your drive to put multiple OSes on it. Remember, if your drive is currently 1 partition, re-partitioning it is destructive and it'll wipe all of your current data. Now you can use an application called partition magic to re-size your original partition without losing all of your data but your results may vary as partition magic isn't perfect and can cause problems.

Once you have your drive in at least 2 partitions with windows xp on partition 1 or 2, just installed Vista and make sure you select the empty partition. It'll automatically set it up to choose between versions of Windows (It's been this way sinceWIndows NT or 2000 I believe).

Now I could still save files, do what ever I am regularly doing right now once I have paritioned it? Using the XP to do regular things such as saving files, browsing the internet while also being able to do this on the Vista OS and being able to use both OSes. Right now I have not paritioned my drive so I am going to back up my data and then partition it. So can I do the things that I have stated?
Datacide
Jun 9th, 2006, 11:19 AM
What's Windows Vista? lol j/k. The requirements are insane. (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/capable.mspx)
sheikh78
Jun 9th, 2006, 11:31 AM
Do they really expect us to have those requirements? Well I will eventually. But what's funny is the day I got my computer with XP is the day my graphics card's company stopped supporting my card. So I never got an update and I don't feel like replacing it when there will be better ones soon for the AERO technology. Anyway can anyone respond to my earlier post?
iPrank
Jun 9th, 2006, 11:33 AM
"Windows Vista Capable PC" - doesn't look too bad.
sheikh78
Jun 9th, 2006, 01:12 PM
Anybody respond to this:

Now I could still save files, do what ever I am regularly doing right now once I have paritioned it? Using the XP to do regular things such as saving files, browsing the internet while also being able to do this on the Vista OS and being able to use both OSes. Right now I have not paritioned my drive so I am going to back up my data and then partition it. So can I do the things that I have stated?

Post #10?
Al42
Jun 9th, 2006, 04:07 PM
Sure you could. But do you have a drive large enough to give you a 40 GB partition for Vista - with at least 15 GB free - and still leave you with a large enough partition for XP?

And do you have at least 1 GB of RAM and at least a 1 GHz CPU and a graphics card powerful enough to run color on Vista?

And do you really want to run a hog like Vista when all it gives you is a few graphic niceties that you could probably duplicate on XP? Remember, there's no service pack out yet for Vista, so you might get hit with all kinds of exploits before MS issues any fixes.
sheikh78
Jun 9th, 2006, 04:17 PM
Yes, I'll take that risk at the moment but I have tried to find free Partition Managers and have not found any that actually can partition my disk in half. Any ideas? Thanks.
sheikh78
Jun 9th, 2006, 08:12 PM
So I can't partition my internal hard drive because it has an OS on it?
Kasracer
Jun 10th, 2006, 01:11 AM
Care to explain that?
Because .Net is compiled into MSIL and is compiled at run-time. Image if you'd have to compile key components of your OS everytime you booted up (or everytime the native image expired). .Net is a great technology to rapid development requiring a GUI, but for an operating system it's not a good idea as it wouldn't be nearly as efficient as C or C++.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter as the .Net framework requires JIT, which means JIT has to run on top of something. So an OS can never be completely built upon .Net but portions of it could.
Don't worry about it, they'll be fine.

Actually, let me retract that statement.

Let's wait and see. Because MS wouldn't choose to run all their apps on .NET just for the sake of making the most of it and because they love it so. ROIs are very important, so a wrong decision could cost billions.

Which is why Microsoft is the largest R&D company in the world.
Microsoft originally announced that Explorer as well as most of the apps that are included in windows was going to be re-written in C# but they have since decided to not do so because of the major OS re-writes required for Vista, re-developing all those applications in C# would have taken too much time.
Now I could still save files, do what ever I am regularly doing right now once I have paritioned it? Using the XP to do regular things such as saving files, browsing the internet while also being able to do this on the Vista OS and being able to use both OSes. Right now I have not paritioned my drive so I am going to back up my data and then partition it. So can I do the things that I have stated?
Yeah. if you have multiple OSes installed, you can still do the samething. It just allows you to boot into another OS when needed.
What's Windows Vista? lol j/k. The requirements are insane. (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/capable.mspx)
The requirements aren't that much more than Windows XP for Vista... if you want the desktop with all the pretties on then of course you'd need an even better system.So I can't partition my internal hard drive because it has an OS on it?
You can, you just have to set it all up in partition magic and then it'll restart and do it in a DOS like mode.