And you guys voted for this turkey

HOW SCARY IS THIS??!!!! AND WE THINK HOWARD'S A WORRY!

Check out the following scary quotes from the potentially
soon-to-be most powerful man in the world.


"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."
...George W. Bush, Jr.

"Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a
mother and child."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr.

"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that one word is 'to be prepared'."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 12/6/93

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good
judgments in the future."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr.

"The future will be better tomorrow."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr.

"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr. to Sam Donaldson,


"When I have been asked who caused the riots and the killing in LA, my answer has been direct & simple: Who is to blame for the riots? The rioters are to blame. Who is to blame for the killings? The killers are to blame.
...George W. Bush, Jr.

"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr.

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr.

"Welcome to Mrs. Bush, and my fellow astronauts."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr.

"Mars is essentially in the same orbit...Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is
oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 8/11/94

"The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 9/15/95

"I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy - but that could change."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 5/22/98

"Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 11/30/96

"We're going to have the best educated American people in the world."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 9/21/97

"People that are really very weird can get into sensitive
positions and have a tremendous impact on history."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr.

"I am not part of the problem. I am a Republican"
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr.

"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr.

"Illegitimacy is something we should talk about in terms of not having it."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 5/20/96

"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not
occur."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 9/22/97

"For NASA, space is still a high priority."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 9/5/93

"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr., 9/18/95

"The American people would not want to know of any misquotes that George Bush may or may not make."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr.

"We're all capable of mistakes, but I do not care to enlighten you on the mistakes we may or may not have made."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr.

"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr.

"Public speaking is very easy."
...Governor George W. Bush, Jr.

Ride those Statements big George, it just confirms America is the laughing stock of the world

"I am not part of the problem. I am a Republican"



yep, he is soooo right...

[wey97]

Bush is the man.
Gore's an idiot, plain and simple.

[Sophtware]

leave it too a bush..

[tumblingdown]

Wey,

There both slimeball idiots, it's just a question of which of them is plain ****ing weird.


td.

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

Bush might stumble on words but he is not a habitual liar like Gore.

[wey97]

That's for sure.
Gore's a hypocrite.

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

I'm just waiting for Gore to give up his screwing with the rules and let Bush start his work.

[tumblingdown]

Do you really beleive there is any fundamental difference between Gore and Bush? Bizarre.



td.

[wey97]

I believe so. Why do you think they are the same?

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

Bush=responsible, Gore=liar

[tumblingdown]

They are both politicians, therefore by definition are both liars.

I am curious. Can you explain what basis you have for calling George W Bush responsible?


td.

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

One example is this whole circus over the drinking. Bush might have been addicted to alchohol but he realized it and RESPONSIBLY quit.

[tumblingdown]

Yes, he responsibly realised he wasn't ever going to get into the White House as a lush.


td.

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

Gore hasn't realized that he isn't going to get
into the White House as a liar...

[tumblingdown]

What is this hang up you have against Liars. All politicians have to be liars sometimes, so therefore all your Presidents have been liars.

Before anyone gets upset, also all English Prime Ministers are liars, as are every leader of 'advanced' society on the planet. This is the job of a politician. It is unavoidable.

Whether a politician is a liar is a moot point - although being a skilled liar (or at least having a team of skilled liars) is a more or less a job pre-requisite.

It is competence that that sets great leaders apart. And i'm sorry, but Bush seems to be sadly lacking in this department. The man appears to be an imbecile.



td.

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

So you think that if Gore wants to say "I won't bomb ____" and he lies and ends up starting wwIII then that perfectly fine?

What do you know about a leaders competence if all that he says all and that you hear about him are lies?

Why is Bush not competent? Because he cannnot name some obscure country's leaders?

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

Brain.status=dead
Eye.color=red
System.logoff.request
Conversation.politics = continued tmmrow
ttfn

[tumblingdown]

When it comes to your leaders, you hear what it has been decided you shall hear (good or bad, either by spin doctors, the press, state dept, whatever). it does not matter

History judges the true competance of our leaders. But may at least hazard some guesses ;-)


Why is Bush not competent? Because he cannnot name some obscure country's leaders?

Are you serious? Those obscure countrie's, at the time, were serious international hotspots (some of them NUCLEAR).

Andy Hiller, a political reporter for WHDH-TV in Boston asked Bush to name the leaders of Chechnya, Taiwan, India and Pakistan.

Bush's response was "Wait, wait, is this 50 questions?...".

(Taiwan have a fight with China, Pakistan and India have big missiles)

Considering he is going for a job in the big leagues, you think he'd know who else was playing!

I say again, he appears to be an imbecile. Think about that sentance. Bush appears to have very little respect outside the US.


td.

[wey97]

Bush can lead the country with respect.
Gore is too worried about homosexual marriage and minority affirmative action.
Gore is a hypocrite. For example, he ridicules violence in movies, but takes $$ millions from Hollywood.
How can we trust him? He's confused about whether he
wants to be liberal or conservative. Duh.
We have enough problems of our own without worrying
about Chechnya, Taiwan, India or Pakistan.

[tumblingdown]

We have enough problems of our own without worrying
about Chechnya, Taiwan, India or Pakistan.

You're serious aren't you? Scary...


td.

[wey97]

No.
Just playing the role of the typical arrogant American.
I want Bush, but he will possibly have to brush up on his
International etiquette. He has only been governor, so
he needs time to learn foreign policy.

[tumblingdown]

ok, furry muff.

He has about 2 months to get ready.
(Also, Gore could do with it as well. He's viewed by most of the international community as a bit of a tit)


td.

[jeroenh]

Ofcourse I won't be the one to tell the american people what to vote and wich kanidate is bad or good, but....

I do believe that the American voting system is wrong. I believe that a lot of people don't have a representitive in politics at all.

The systems only help 2 groups of people with 2 parties, while her in Europe, the Netherlands to be exactly, we have a more patry system. That way more people have a party that supports there ideas. You have one for the poor, the rich, nature and so on.

In the USA you only have the rich and the very rich that are supported by our great ass G. Bush. And on the other hand you have our just as big ass Gore, who's only intrests go out to the middle and upper class.
Then ofcourse whe have the Nader people. But what is somebody going to do with one million against people who have billions to campain.

And by the way, if you think that the companies are paying these bilions then you're wrong. When Busch has to run another campain, the prices for oil and other toxic goods will go up. On the otherhand when Gore needs to do another campain, the supermarket will raise their prices. So don't kid yourself like the republican that was on dutch television last week. Don't believe these people are realy smart.

See you in januari, when and if the presidenty wil change.

[jdavison]

The fact of the matter is if Bush has lied he hasn't been caught and the fact that Gore has basically been a pathological liar through the whole campaign. Bush didn't have to admit he was an alcholic, but he did. He took responsibility for his behavior and corrected it. The man wasn't even thinking of politics back then let alone the presidency. I have heard people(mostly Gore supporters) make all these vague acusations with no backing behind them. You say all politicians are liars and since bush is running that makes him automatically a liar. Where is your proof. what basis other than descrimination do you have for this. I have tons of examples for calling Gore a liar and a hipocrit, were are yours for Bush. So bush had some mistatment, so has everybody in this forum and Gore has made porbably as many a bush.

ex: I want to raise the smartist americans in the world.

You have yet to even discuss this on what really matters, the issue.

[tumblingdown]

erm, he lied about being arrested for drink driving.

Will that do you?


td.

[jdavison]

he did not! when it was brought to him he admitted it.

[tumblingdown]

In an interview in The New Republic in 1998, it is documented that Bush stated he "...hadn't been arrested for anything after 1968".

He was arrested in 1976

That, therefore, is a lie.


Also, why don't you take a look here.
http://salon.com/politics/feature/2000/10/11/bush/



td.

[jdavison]

your pulling out articles from 2 years ago that I can't even go and verify. Cute

[tumblingdown]

Did you have a look at that link...it was written on Oct. 11, 2000

The points in that article are surely all public record. They are there for you to check.

You have yet to even discuss this on what really matters, the issue


If Tax Cut vs. Budget Surplus, selective Tax Relief, and plans for privatization of Social Security are not 'The Issues', then i can't imagine what could be.


td.



[Edited by tumblingdown on 11-14-2000 at 10:44 AM]

[jdavison]

Those are not even lies. a tax cut does not even count as spending. A tax cut would be a reduction in income not spending. They are not the same and any busness owner will tell you that. The sarasote thing while not a complete lie was way over exagerated and Bush called him on it. He never lied about htat he just explained the facts of the situation. The social securtity thing-I have seent fanacial reports from other sources saying that it is the best idea ever. and for the Tax cut- yes the top one percent will end up with a large chunk more, he never denied that. but the whole story was never told until the last debat and I already new because I REARCHED THE ISSUES. The top 1% get about a 3% reduction. I believe 35k to 60k gets around a 50% cut and those families under 35k would get upto 100%cut. 3% 0f 30k in takes is 9k, 50% of 3k is 1500 and 100% of 1k is 1k. Those that explain it enough for your. But then again Gore doesn't even know what he believes. Let me know if I missed anything.

[tumblingdown]

a tax cut does not even count as spending. A tax cut would be a reduction in income not spending. They are not the same and any busness owner will tell you that

Bollocks. A tax cut (in this sense) is a reduction in the income the goverment will get from one of it's (visible) streams of revenue. If the working mothers allowance (or whatever your US equivilent is) also goes down (to counter some of the goverments lost revenue), then tell the working mother that she got a 'tax cut'.


Do you think if a goverment says it's going to reduce taxes, that it will suddenly become cheaper to run the business of goverment. I am a business owner, and with a business on the scale of goverment (or even large corperates) finacial planning does not invlove primary school economics.


td.




td.

[jdavison]

There is nothing on that link about bush dening over 2 years ago(completely outside the scope of this campaign) in any report thathe dinied being arrested for a DUI. I have read it 3 times, not to mention that it was two years ago that he did and when asked during the camppaign he addmitted to it. Now you got some senetor(mostlikely a democrat) he is just throughing awaymoney. Come on, get real here. That social security plan is the best hope for social security to survive other than gore through trillions more into just to save ten bucks a month. Personally I don't even believe in having social security and I know I could get more out of the money than what the government does. Social security was created by the Democratic party and make the american people dependent on the government. The Democrats are socialists plain and simple. Did you even know that Gore and Hillary was leading supporters in a suggested NATO treaty that would take children after birth, away from its parents for five years to be raised by socalled "professionals". how much more socialist do you want. That right there blows away anything Nixon did right there since you were so intent on that. Gore wants to take away guns from the public which is a constitutional right because that would make the american people easier for him to control. Here I go ranting and raving again. I do appologize.

[jdavison]

First off that tax cut comes from the surplus which is extra money. This is considering All the expense are paid. However Gore wants to increase the size of the government by spending that money instead of returning it were it belongs, the people.

[tumblingdown]

dude,

you suggested Bush was not a liar. I pointed out to you that he lied over his arrest record (yes this lie was committed 2 years ago, but it is still a lie) and it is not on that link (check any cnn report on the matter for proof).

That link (salon) was brought to your attention purely to point out that Bush may not be the 'responsible' guy that you and the other campaign co-ordinators (joke!!) make him out to be.

I am neither pro Gore or pro Bush, infact i know very little about day to day US politics (being British) other than (my original point) Bush just seems to act like a raving tit.

And as for Hillary wanting to eat small babies, that does not surprise me.

td.





[Edited by tumblingdown on 11-14-2000 at 11:25 AM]

[jdavison]

Give your definition of liar. To me a liar is someone who repeatedly embelishes the facts or just completely changes the facts. alot of that article was simply perspective and nowhere in any of it did bush actually lie. All people tell lies from time to time but, atleast to me, that doesn't make everybody a liar. Gore has done this consistently and I give him credit for this, he admitted to it. This never seemed to stop him though. This whole thing has been ran from an interpritational difference in liar. I'm looking for that report on Bush.

[paulw]

td,

Give it up. You are looking for rationality in a situation where a lot of, supposedly rational people are demanding that other people be allowed to re-vote 'cos they punched the card twice! Ok they could make a mistake and punch the wrong hole, but who in their right minds thought that putting a second hole in the card would then make it a valid vote for Gore?

About 19,500 of these morons, that is who.

we may not know a lot about Gore and Bush, but they both seem pretty insular and damn scary from a European perspective!

Cheers,

Paul.

P.S. jdavidson, I am NOT having a go at you!

[jdavison]

So what are you trying to say, that I'm not worth your time, that my opinion is unimportant, that I am stupid...;)

You also mispelled my name, 1 D only please.

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

The whole election is screwed up. Now there are multiple law-suits from both Bush and Gore. This means that instead of a democracy we have a partisan judge electing (sort of)the next president.

Maybe I can't convince anyone that Bush is honest, but at least everyone should allow that Gore is a liar

Originally posted by jdavison
So what are you trying to say, that I'm not worth your time, that my opinion is unimportant, that I am stupid...;)

You also mispelled my name, 1 D only please.

How did you know..........only joking dude sorry couldn't resist it.

Bush

This guy is going to do to America what John Howard has done to Australia. Sure huge budget surplus, but this comes from the total removal of all social services, (free education, free medical), plus additional taxes on the service industries. Now if l stripped my company of all customer services and charged alot more for my product then the bottom line figure would look a hell of a lot better.

Bush is going to grab the money from the poor and hand it out to his buddies in the big corps.

Liars

Bush has clearly learned all he knows from John Howard. Little Johnny not only a liar, he is a very bad liar, e.g the statement that no police units would be sent over seas during a Coalition government....hmmm....l guess the police units that went into East Timor before the military don't count.

Tumblingdown is quite correct, all politicians are liars, it's in their job description.

I agree though that America has a lot of internal problems to fix, your gun laws are just plain crazy. And would some one pass a law to ban all male friggin pop groups.

[HarryW]

would some one pass a law to ban all male friggin pop groups

Now there's an issue worth voting for!

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

*Jethro quickly hids his N*SYNC cd in his desk drawer* =)

Guilt by mental association does not work. How has BUSH lied?

What about the gun laws? It's part of our constitution. It allows people to protect themselves.

Good idea!!!!!!!!!!

I ****ing hate those piece of ****ing **** boyband groups, they are so damn gay... they sing about girls when you know they are plugging each other... :mad:

GO EDWIN!!!


Bush rules, we need our guns...

[HarryW]

I'm sure you've read my opinions on gun control on other threads. The general public doesn't need guns. It's a myth. People just want them, because they're selfish and think of the value of them having a gun to them, and not of the value of a general population being relatively gun-free. To what do you attribute the high rate of murder and gun-related violence in the US if not to the lack of gun control? Bad policing? People 'having their hearts turned dark by the internet' (another Bush quote)?

The "right to arms" thing, was to allow American Minute Men and militia to be ready to battle the British, (if they had waited a few hundred years they could have kicked their ass in cricket like the rest of the world as well), not for individual citizens to run around with combat weopans.

One of these days you guys are going to get to grips with the saying....It's not guns that kill people, it's the redneck idiots holding them....how many more play ground shootings is it going to take before you come to your senses.

Dennis

...lol...on the plugging comment. In vague in Oz currently are the terms....pillow munchers and shirt lifters.....just keeping up your Aussie education.

Ok, we don't necesarily NEED guns, but we WAN'T them..

there is a big difference, but 75% of gun owners own guns legally, and have no intention of hurting people, the other 25% would have found a way to kill, rob, harm, etc. somebody whether they had guns or not..

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

In the USA there will always be guns. Even if guns are banned, thugs will get them. The only difference is that with the right to bear arms, the citizens have something to defend themselves with.

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

Jethro,
The right to bear arms was not written just to fight the our revolutionary war. If that was true, it would have read, "The right to bear arms against Britian during the revolutionary war and never afterwards."

[HarryW]

I'm sorry, am I talking to myself? You don't think that removing guns from the public domain would reduce the amount of gun-related violence then? If that's what you believe, there's no point even discussing it, because you've made up your mind and there's no way you're going to bother looking at the way other countries deal with the problem.

[HarryW]

Whoa... I feel like Gen-X *Scary*

The current understanding of US gun laws is based on Lawyers definition of what your founding fathers thought.

*Edwin and Dennis frown at that comment, but turn up Boyz to Men on their stereo with no thought of the trailer parks rule against *** music*

I have no problems with lawful owning of guns. But do you guys really think you need to own hand guns and military assualt rifles.

this is a million to one chance of happening.. but lets say the military was "invaded" by "anarchists", the whole military,
that would probably never happen, but it may..

now, the military is powerless, who do they have to turn to?
the civilians they took the guns away from? oops, they can't do anything...

oh look there's a rock, maybe I'll throw it at someone wielding an M-60, yeah, a rock is much better than owning a gun...

Yes jethro, yes I do,
there isn't a need for military assault weapons, people just wan't them, but people use handguns for self defense..

just because your government doesn't allow you to own anything larger than a .22 doesn't mean ours shouldn't either....

I don't mean to offend anybody, but I strongly beleive in people having the right to own guns...

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

Hey, if you think we're wrong... then why is the USA the major world power? Because we throw all our guns away?

*Jethro is frightened. He turns up his Backstreet Boys CD and starts to daydream*

What did our fore-fathers think jethro? you have some inside info that we all don't?

actually I heard that our forefathers foresaw the corruption the government would have and put that in the constitution to protect us against them incase the time should ever come.

[HarryW]

It's not a question of 'we can't have them so you shouldn't either'! That would be a very small minded and childish way to look at it. It's not jealousy, I can assure you; I am much more comfortable living in a society where very few people own guns than I would be living in the US.

If you think you need guns to defend yourselves from the military, then you have bigger problems than a lack of gun control.

[HarryW]

Well in my opinion, the reason why the US is 'the major world power', as you put it, is because first of all you have a very large population. You inherited a lot of good cultural practices and knowledge from the various peoples that now make up American society. Also, you employed a lot of slave labour. You have a lot of oil on your land which means that you were able to take advantage of the industrial revolution, and establish a good transportation infrastructure, encouraging economic growth.

Basically you have a vast population, and you live in an environment which is very hospitable to economic growth.

You have low fuel prices and make little effort to cut pollution, thus you make large profits.

That, in my opinion, is the reason why the US has become a successful (economically at least) country. It has nothing to do with giving a gun to every idiot that wants one.

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

I didn't refer to economic power. I was refering to the military. If we threw all our guns away... don't you think we might have lost the revolutionary war?

yeah, there is a very small chance of this happenig, but what if someone invades us, and the military is unprepared or defeated...

well basicly we'd be ****ed then, but at least we own guns so we could try and fight back...

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

exactly.

[HarryW]

Oh my good Lord, what a farce.

You have lost the point. We already dealt with the revolutionary war. Perhaps in 1776 nationwide gun ownership might have been appropriate, that has never been stated to be false. That is over with.

I would have thought you would have been able to work out that economic power brings military power. A better economy means more money to spend on defense and so forth. Or perhaps you think that it doesn't matter and you take the attitude to the military that North Korea does, where the military comes first and foremost and that's what makes the nation great? Somehow I doubt you will agree with the North Korean stance.

I cannot believe I am explaining this.

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

The USA was hardly an economic power when it fought off the British. The British were a military power. Just because a country has military power doesn't mean it's also an economic power also.

<joke>
I can't believe I'm explaining THIS. So there! Who's the man now!?</joke>

[HarryW]

Just because a country has military power doesn't mean it's also an economic power also
This is one of the things I just said.

Do you think that the military power the US had in 1776 is the same kind of power it has now? I'll tell you if you like: it's not. As far as I can remember about this particular area of history (it's not something I've taken a big interest in over the years so this is general knowledge - or lack of), the American success in the War of Independance was due to knowledge of the lay of the land, confusing the British troops by not sticking to standard military tactics, and grim determination. Which of these qualities defined your military action in the Gulf? How about Vietnam?

The US army is based on very different foundations nowadays. You are talking about a situation that occurred over 200 years ago. Things have changed.

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

This does not change the fact that without weapons, the colonialists would not have been a military power strong enough to beat the British. Yes, knowing the lay of the land, etc. helped the USA to win, but we still would not have if we didn't have weapons. The colonialist did have military power which caused them to win the war.

The power the US has today is different from the power of past. However, this doesn't affect the variable of weapons or no weapons.

[HarryW]

For goodness' sake, will you please pay attention to what has been discussed and dealt with in a dialogue? You are arguing in circles. I am simply going to repeat what I said the last time you repeated this:
You have lost the point. We already dealt with the revolutionary war. Perhaps in 1776 nationwide gun ownership might have been appropriate, that has never been stated to be false. That is over with

What point are you trying to make with this? How does this justify giving the general public access to firearms in this day and age? You are not fighting a revolution, if you thought you were at risk of having to fight a revolution then you would have more to worry about than gun control, and we wouldn't be debating this.

What are you saying? That you couldn't have fought as effectively in the Gulf if people didn't carry guns back home? You are making a point which seems irrelevant to me.

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

I have read all the posts. Have you? I only repeat answers to repeated questions.

The Gulf War has no effect on this discussion.

These are my points.

1. It is good that the USA allows citizens to own firearms. If this is allowed, we have security. If this is banned, we have a goverment that is leaning toward communist state.
2. What if we have to fight another war?

Why do you say justify giving arms to the public? Is there something wrong with this?

[HarryW]

*Sigh* I just finished writing a fairly lengthy reply, and I lost it in a connection error :( Ahh well...

I don't feel inspired to write it all out again, but suffice it to say that I am still just as confident in my opinions, if not more so. I don't think either of us is going to be convinced by the other anyway.

Apart from anything else, I have coursework to write up which I ought to be doing right now ;) Perhaps I will resume the debate sometime soon.



[Whoa, nearly lost this one too! Blinking cable modem, I keep losing the channel]

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

I have work too... sigh... I guess we can pick up another day.

[tumblingdown]

damn, just when it was getting interesting ;-)



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[jdavison]

We are constitutionally garanteed the right to fire arms. Now part of that is to support the malitias it does plainly say "Right of the people to keep and bear Arms". We americans are the militia. This is part of our responsibility as american and part of why half the world is afriad to attempt to invade the US. We carry guns and every person in this country would be a potential threat.

Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

To try and take away guns will only make things worse cause as any idiot knows, if criminals are already in violation of the law, don't you think they would be willing to violate any gun laws too. All this would do is take away peoples ability to defend themselves and in all actuallity cause more injury with guns. I myself don't like guns but I know what is right.

I attribute the higher rate of murder and crime to the lack of morality in this country along with the movie industry. With out any moral teaching of what is right and wrong along with the mass bombardment of violence and sex, It starts to soak in. your mind start to become number to these events. That is why. If it's not a gun it could be a knife, hammer, tv... basically whatever the person has. Taking away gun is just another way of not taking responsibility for what the problem is. Very typical of this generation.

[paulw]

The eagerness to wed yourselves to firearms is one of the truly scary things about the citizens of the US. Let's have another amendment to the Holy Constitution (right up there with the Bible for you guys):

A well cleaned firearm, being necessary in the maiming, killing and generally harming of each other, the right of the people to keep and bear increasingly lethal implements, up to and including tactical nuclear weapons, shall not be infringed

Think on.

P.

[tumblingdown]

If i didn't know better, i would swear you were Charlton Heston himself Paul ;-)


td.

SUPPORT YOUR RIGHT TO ARM BEARS!!!!!


DerFarm

[tumblingdown]

BEARS TO SUPPORT YOUR RIGHT ARM!!!!!

***;-!


td.

[HarryW]

All this would do is take away peoples ability to defend themselves and in all actuallity cause more injury with gunsYes of course, because nobody gets injured when someone shoots someone else in defence. Frankly, what a crock.

Do you think your TV and movies are really so different to the rest of the world? What would you identify as the big difference? Hmm well I'll suggest one, and you can try and suggest something different which seperates your culture from the rest. I'll suggest a severe lack of gun control. Your turn.

[tumblingdown]

is suggest a lack of bowel control.



td.

Paul, we up for this friday?

TD - Your cultural deprivation is preventing you from
appreciating the irony of my above statement. You see,
for a long time you would see bumper stickers that said:

SUPPORT YOUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS


Since, as any thinking person knows, the only good response
to true believers is sarcasm:

SUPPORT YOUR RIGHT TO ARM BEARS

was an appropriate response.

Now, do you see what a twit you are?

DerFarm

[tumblingdown]

yes Farm Boy.


oof!!

td.

[Juan Carlos Rey]

Jethro:

"The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history...this century's history.... We all lived in this century. I didn't live in this 20th century."
-- Dan Quayle, then Indiana senator and Republican vice-presidential candidate during a news conference in which he was asked his opinion of the Holocaust

So it wasn´t Bush (at least one out. -If you don´t believe me, see

http://www.spurgeonstudio.com/Design/jokesn.htm

Dennis:

Don´t worry about weapons, only 1 out of every 100 Americans will get crazy and shoot the others 99!