Florida i full of whinners

[jdavison]

I can't get over this garbage going on in Florida. Those votes count people. The balot was very easy to understand. the arrow points to the hole you are to punch. If you can't get that then you should not be voting. The balot was approved and designed by the democrats and was up for dispute by the public for quite some time. If there was a problem with it, they should have brought it up then. But it was because they were displacent. when they saw a problem they should have asked even while voting. I know if I was confuse, which I dont see how with that balot, I would have asked for it to be clarified. To allow those people to revote would be a travasty to our country. Again, I goes to show that nobody wants to be responsible for there actions and choices.

Ballots has 2 l's in it.

DerFarm

[jdavison]

I'll make a note of that

[HarryW]

Well if it's okay to be pedantic about spelling, then 'whiners' only has one n in it :rolleyes:

Anyway, that aside, why would having a revote be 'a travesty' to your country? What's the big deal? What makes you think that the outcome would be any different anyway? The only thing I can think of that would make people change their vote is if there has been some kind of new information since the last attempt at voting, in which case why shouldn't this new information be taken into account?

I don't see a problem with it, except for from the financial/organizational point of view (note the z in 'organization' - that's just for you Americans ;)). Like I said in another post, even the idiots have a vote that should count, whether you like it or not. If you don't like it then pass some kind of law which prevents idiots from voting (clearly I don't mean this).

good idea hairy,

I am emailing George Allen right now to help prevent idiots(*cough*democrats*cough*) from voting in virginia

:rolleyes:

[Sam Finch]

To be fair I saw the ballot paper and I would have got it wrong, It's not that it was a challenging puzzle of where to punch the hole it's that it shouldn't have been a challenging puzzle and so people just didn't bother thinking, which is fair enough, who wants to do any unnecessary thinking, especially if you're an American when it's especcially difficult. Plus from all the accounts I've read the election was badly organized and people were really being rushed about by the organizers, being sent to the wrong place etc, One lady was even refused a vote and when she asked why she was told that it was because she was dead. So in all this I think it's a bit harsh to blame people for not thinking very hard about the ballot paper itself.

[PJB]

A revote in 1 area only wouldn't be fair, if they decide on a re-vote it should be for the whole country and after seeing what has happened in Florida i wouldn't vote for either one...
And there should be a law against idiots voting more to the point there should be a law against idiots running for president...
As far as the ballot in question goes, as i stated in a different thread, punching wholes in a piece of paper to vote for president is a little scary, why don't they just gather people in large arena's and have a show of hands...

[HarryW]

Yes I almost see your point, but why is it unfair that only one area should re-vote? I still don't see why anybody thinks that it is going to come out differently than it should have done in the first place. If it doesn't make any difference to the outcome, why bother having a revote everywhere else?

I suppose that it could be a problem with the ballot paper, however I am assuming that won't be changed for the revote. If the main reason for a revote is the confusing ballot paper then I would agree that a countrywide revote with a less confusing/dodgy method of voting.

What's wrong with just ticking a box anyway?

[PJB]

The problem with one area re-voting at this point would be that those individuals have knowledge of the outcome in the rest of the country, i can see where some of the people may have gotten confused and voted for the wrong candidate, but the ones whose votes were disqualified because they voted for more than one candidate should not be allowed to revote, if they can't tell the difference between punching 1 hole and punching 2 holes they have no business voting to start with...
Either way I think there should be a standerdized method of voting, right now we have wide variations in voting method from state to state and then variations within each state.

All in all it's a big mess, and the actions of BOTH the Republican and Democratic parties are quite frankly an embarassment to the country

[jdavison]

The reason why I say this is the fact that simply because they don't like the outcome they want to revote. The ballot was designed and approved by the democrats which are the ones complaining, was up for public view for quite some time, and questions could have been asked before they decided to punch there whole. But instead they blew off there responsibility(theres that work I use so often anymore) and just let it go without saying a word and now that they don't like the outcome they want to redo the whole thing. Thats why its a travesty. I looked at the ballot and there wasnt a single thing confusing about it. That design was testes in other states and nobody had a problem with it. It is simple and straightforward. You want this candidate then punch this whole and if you can't figure that out, oh wait, we have an arrow pointing to the specific whole for you to punch. How much more do you want. So it all boils down to the lack of responsibility of the voters and since they didn't handle it the first time why should they get another chance. If they get a revote in florida I think the whole country should revote! And then if we don't like the results then lets do it again...and again...and again...

[jeroenh]

I must say that after reading this and other chit chat forums about the presidential elections in the US of A that most people from outside the states don't seem to think highly of Americans.

Everywhere I look I'm reading that those americans don't know how think at all. This has also been stated in this forum. Most people thought that it was just a story, but after these elections ther sure.

The american people have no idea what there voting on. Not just because of the paper, but also because they don't care. Everybody who looks good can become president in the USA, without having any real plans for the country.

Example of this is Clinton, but I think that Reagan is even worse. He wanted to change the mediacal system towards the Europian way, but he never got it from the ground. And the american people, they don't mind, the elect him a second time.

Good luck in florida.

[jdavison]

wether things get done or not is not always the presidents fault, that can often goto congress. Reagan accomplished alot during his administration and because of reagan economic plan followed through through Bush's administration, we are going through a prosperous time in our country. Most democrats will deny that and say Clinton accomplished this but how could he since the beginings of it were before he was in office. I myself watched the debates looked into the issues and made a logical decision. All the democrats that I myself know and not meaning to categorize them all but this is from my overall experience, they only vote democratic and have never really listened to the issues themselves and are not interested in hearing the truth. There was an example in one of the other thread. I was discussing and she completely went of track about nixon which had no bearing on the discussion and then just quit. The democrats are for the people all right, for controlling them. They constantly widdle away our rights, destroy anyone who has a sense of morality, and implement plans to keep the american public dependent on then so they can control behavior through benefit requirements which he promisses them. Sounds very socialist to me. The scary part is that someone comes along to give the american public their control over their live back, stays consistent in his stand, has a moral background, and takes reponsibility for his own actions and they choose(popular vot wise anyway) a lying, dishonest sell out.

You know what, after saying that I think I agree with you. Most American are idiots.

[HarryW]

I was under the impression that the re-vote was required by the rules since it was so close. If this is wrong, please correct me.

[barrk]

You are not wrong. Our election laws are set up on a state by state basis. The law in Florida is the margin must be larger than one-half of one percent or there is an automatic recount.

[Edited by barrk on 11-14-2000 at 04:20 PM]

[HarryW]

Ah yes, my apologies.

[barrk]

Perhaps I should apologize to you. I allow extremists such a jdavison to get to me. It appears I may have taken it out on you after reading the tone of my response. I'm sorry.

[HarryW]

Err, no that's okay, I was not in the least offended by your post. Don't be so nice, Barrk, people need shouting at! You're a mum (I mean mom ;)), you should be good at shouting! :rolleyes:

[barrk]

While I'm quite comfortable yelling at teenagers and have a great deal of practice, yelling at adults (or those claiming to be adults anyway) is another story.

I'll try not to be so "nice".