Srarting to get circular rep point problems

[Dillinger4]

I know this rep point scheme is used for certain reasons but it really does present a problem for some of the slower moving forums. I pretty much receive help from the same people. Now i am not allowed to give them any rep points. I normally help the same people. They are not allowed to give me any rep points. So what is the only alternative? To go to another forum and pose a question just so i can give out some rep points to other people? Pretty stupid if you ask me.

[dee-u]

I think it was set that way to prevent cheating. You could rate any post that you find helpful/useful. :)

[Hack]

As dee-u says, you do not have to confine your reps to only people that have assisted you.

I often give reps for a good answer to a question (that I didn't ask), or for cool piece of code that someone has posted.

[NoteMe]

I do the same as Hack, but I have to say that I have to agree with Dilenger. In the small forums, where often 3-4 persons are the same to answer it means that 60-70% of the reps you give out is to just random other posts. And if you don't even care to go to other sections to find 6-7 other posts every time, then it is hopeless. I am a mod in two sections like this, and I see it ever day. People not beening able to rep, and they usualy end up not giving reps at all, then try to look in other sections.


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[techgnome]

Same here... in fact I even recently rated a post from 2000 simply because it gave me the answer to a problem I was having.

Tg

[NoteMe]

But if everyone is doing this? Isn't that kind of getting around the "security", a person could just as well rate 9 old threads where the poster has one post or something, and no one would notice?

[szlamany]

I spend most of my time in the DB forums and have the same problem - can't rate people who are giving great answers - and people complain they can't rate me when I help them.

Can't we adjust the rule so that people with many rep points have "less" lag time - we obviously aren't the ones looking to cheat any system.

I feel stupid going into the VB forum to find good posts to simply rate a bit - I've never done that yet...

[techgnome]

But if everyone is doing this? Isn't that kind of getting around the "security", a person could just as well rate 9 old threads where the poster has one post or something, and no one would notice?
Eh.... in my case it was a legit repping.... but, yeah, it's a loop hole.

Tg

[techgnome]

What about the idea insead of having to rep X number of people, that you have to wait for x days to rep that person again?

Tg

[Dillinger4]

Posted by Hack

As dee-u says, you do not have to confine your reps to only people that have assisted you.

I often give reps for a good answer to a question (that I didn't ask), or for cool piece of code that someone has posted.
I have no problem with doing that but it just seems to make no sense for me to scour other forums in order to give out a ton of reps just so i can be able to give the two or three people reps that help me out. Plus i don't know multiple langauges so if i go into the vb forum i wouldn't know if the help that was given was any good unles the thread creator explictly said "yeah thanks that solved the problem" or the thread was resolved.

Id be glad to do it but as i understand it the rep spread is rather large.

[NoteMe]

Eh.... in my case it was a legit repping.... but, yeah, it's a loop hole.

Tg


Hhee...I wasn't accusing you for it..:)...just saying that it is the same loop whole as if the spread was 3 or zero....

[RobDog888]

I give out way more reps then I get. I think thats the way to go. If I see a member helping allot in a good thread (that I am
not even a part of) I will spread some reps to them. This helps to allow me to rep several members in vb.net that had been helping
me ALLOT before. Its not hard to find a few posts that are helpful or are deserving.

You can give reps to 6 members within a 24 hour period. Yes, I found that out by giving so much. As long as they are
valid deserving posts, why not?

[NoteMe]

You are missing the point here Rob. All forums doesn't have that many helpers, at least not in a 24h period. The last week I can more or less say for sure that it has only been 3 or 4 persons in BOTH the game section and in the Java section that has actualy answered to a post. All the others ONLY posts questions. And you don't rate questions, do you? And that way you HAVE to get out of those forum and into forums you might not even know anything about to reps someone to get the spread covered. Thats the point.'


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[RobDog888]

The majority of members do know Classic VB (being a vb site) and there is the most traffic in there. Its easy to
find rep'able posts in there to help cover the spread so you can rep someone in the slower forum.

I was limited in the vb.net forum from rep'ing a few members that had helped me allot in the begining. I didnt know .net well so I
really couldnt give reps in there since I didnt know what code worked and what was still being solved. Going to the other forums helped me.

[NoteMe]

Wouldn't that be kind of unfair. If everyone from all parts of the forum would rate good posts in the Classic section. Then good posts there will get more points then a good post in a small section, simply because there is not enough people in a small section?

[Hack]

I have no problem with doing that but it just seems to make no sense for me to scour other forums in order to give out a ton of reps just so i can be able to give the two or three people reps that help me out. Plus i don't know multiple langauges so if i go into the vb forum i wouldn't know if the help that was given was any good unles the thread creator explictly said "yeah thanks that solved the problem" or the thread was resolved.

Id be glad to do it but as i understand it the rep spread is rather large.I can see your point here. Unfortunately, the other side of the coin, as has been mentioned, could lead to major abuse of the rep system.

[RobDog888]

I'm not saying to do it constantly, but for only those occasians when you need to cover the spread. It doesnt have to be
classic vb but just pointing out that you could always find another forum for sources of rep'able posts.

[Hack]

I'm not saying to do it constantly, but for only those occasians when you need to cover the spread.Or the Over/Under... :p

(Sorry, couldn't resist that)

The database section is a very nice place to find some very useful pieces of DB information.

[Dillinger4]

Just seems like an akward way to go about things. The slower forum posters have to spend extra time looking in other forums for people worthy of getting some reps. So that's time taken away from them. Plus faster forums get the added bonus of getting reps from people in the slower forums because people in the slower forums have to cover the spread. Then there is the inherent bonus of posting in a fast moving forum. More questions asked more questions to answer and possibly more reps to gain.

Once again, i don't care about rep counts or post counts. I would just like to see that people who post in some of the slower moving forums have the same advantages.

[RobDog888]

Thats what its called (spread) :lol: I can see you have a gambling side, huh?

The point is that you can find posts in any forum and give to anyone that posts a valid rep'able post so the spread of only 10 members
should not really be an issue.Its just a bit of work sometimes to cover but not impossible.

Come on guys, we like it when we get Rep'd from a member whos not even involved in our threads so why not spread the wealth and
show the appreciation for good work/help posted. :)

I cover allot of forums here and that helps but with each forum I get into I learn new stuff. Who doesnt like to learn?

Ps, I thought programmers were sociable people? :lol:

[penagate]

I have to say I agree with Rob and Hack. I don't give enough rep points myself because I spend a lot more time helping people than actually asking questions, or looking for solutions to questions. However, if I search and find a solution to a problem that someone has posted, or someone answers a question that I post, I will rep them for it. Same if someone obviously goes to a lot of trouble to help someone out, or I find a nice piece of code, etc.

But I can see an issue, if you are say an assembly only programmer, the assembly forum has very little traffic, Someone could help you a year ago and then help you again and you wouldn't be able to rep them. And its not like you could just go into Classic VB and spread a whole lot of reps around because you don't know any VB. Or similiar. Get my drift?

[Madboy]

As dee-u says, you do not have to confine your reps to only people that have assisted you.

I often give reps for a good answer to a question (that I didn't ask), or for cool piece of code that someone has posted.

Like when i posted some icons and the ANSI Character Chart a while back, Hack gave me points for them. If you could give unlimited points, i could sign up as a second user, and post myself loads of rep points, next thing you know ill be standing for an election ;)

[Dillinger4]

Posted by penagate

But I can see an issue, if you are say an assembly only programmer, the assembly forum has very little traffic, Someone could help you a year ago and then help you again and you wouldn't be able to rep them. And its not like you could just go into Classic VB and spread a whole lot of reps around because you don't know any VB. Or similiar. Get my drift?

Exactly.



Posted by penagate

I don't give enough rep points myself because I spend a lot more time helping people than actually asking questions, or looking for solutions to questions. However, if I search and find a solution to a problem that someone has posted, or someone answers a question that I post, I will rep them for it. Same if someone obviously goes to a lot of trouble to help someone out, or I find a nice piece of code, etc.

I do see the other side also. I gave some rep points to someone who posted in a CodeBank forum because i found the code interesting. Seems someone did the same for some code i posted in Java CodeBank before i gave out the rep points. :)

[RhinoBull]

Talk is cheap - best way to fix this "system" is to get rid of it ... :rolleyes:

[Dillinger4]

RhinoBull you seem not to be a big fan of the rep system. :lol:

[Madboy]

well in the end, i guess what does it achieve? Its not fun, it IS time consuming, more junk that is not needed?

Besides, id rather just include in a reply, "Thanks for your help mate", rather then adding rep points.

[dglienna]

Nobody does that anyways. The most comments I get are from the newbies that don't even realize that they aren't giving me points, and seem to think that their comments are being recorded for future use. Maybe it's going on a resume? :)

[Madboy]

haha, we call it Curriculum Vitae (CV) for short, not resume lol.

I always give credit to people where due

[dglienna]

:blush: Thought that was text only. Comma Separated or something like that.

[visualAd]

I simply have a bookmark folder called "To Rate". If there is a post I cannot rate at the time I put it in that folder and wait till I can ;)

[NoteMe]

I simply have a bookmark folder called "To Rate". If there is a post I cannot rate at the time I put it in that folder and wait till I can ;)


You stole that idea from me...boo..now rate me..hehe...

But to be honest that is the best idea. But the problem is when I get 3-4-5 bookmarks to the SAME person...what then....I used 2 months last time to give out all the reps to the same person. And I am usualy hanging out in 3-4 sections, what about those that are only in 1 or maybe 2....

[RobDog888]

I think this thread is turning a bit CC'ish. ;)

My idea of using the private calendar is the best solution. Its central from any system you use to log into vbf. You can save for future
ratings links. Not be affected by your system data being lost if you dont back up, etc.

:)

[NoteMe]

Well, if you think this is going a bit CC, I can at least inform you that you are going a bit OT...;)...it is not about what way to remember who to rate, but that it is impossible to rate them if you don't give extra effort to find other threads in other sections that really don't interest you...;)



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[RobDog888]

I was talking about some of the previous posts. ;) Whats OT?

But anyways to remain on topic, I am saying that it is a valuable VBF resource for helping to keep track of the Reps you give. Would
you be able to count how many members you have rep'd with your bookmark idea or how many more members were needing to be rep'd
by you to cover a particular spread?

If members can get a real number of what the spread is then they will be more likely to make that extra effort to
"find" a few more valid rep'able posts to give out in order to cover the spread for the member they originally
wanted to rep. ;)

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[Dillinger4]

Posted by RobDog888

;) Whats OT?

Off topic.