Gex - X

[kovan]

hmmmm i dont think i pulled out cus Koran was being treated the same way infact that was not even the intention...
maybe it looked like that to you..

i would like someone to post "contridictions in the KORAN" on here..

the reason why i dont discuss religion on here is because i mostly access this forum from work
and i spend too much time typing and reading the posts(SPECIALLY when they go off tangents)

and i am not disrespecting ANYONEs beliefs
i am SIMPLY posting what others believe in
and i dont expect anyone to take what i say and change their belief(which i dont think could be the case)
so if anyone believes in the bible then they should check those and make a choice on weather the posted reference make sense to them or not....

i think your the most disrespectful person on here..
because simply you put everyone else down for the reason that they believe something..
but thats another story

about the thread "if belive in religion- read this" or something like that..

dont know if i commented on it or not
but maybe its time i do..

you feel that based on that event and many similiar events..
that God is cruel(if you believe even in his existence)
and other cruel acts..

for me it goes deeper than that
i dont think its cruel because my faith explains to me why such events happen and they happen for certain reasons..
but you dont believe that so i wont get into it

if you dont like reading those contridictions then dont
no one is FORCING you to read it
i will continue to post them and if you have a problem with that then i cant do much about it..

i want to prove that bible is man written
i want someone to prove to me that koran is man written too

i did say some nasty things about the bible..
i take all of that back
and now i just want people to see how bible contridicts itself without disrespecting it

and i dont think posting from bible itself is a disrespect
unless what i post is not what the bible says and i claim that is what bible says..

conclusion:
i dont care what you believe and i dont expect you to care what i believe, i dont or at least will try my best not to disrespect anyones beliefs, and i dont want anyone to disrespect my beliefs..
if you or anyone else have something to DISCUSS about belief i would gladly discuss in a well mannered way

you post a reference in the quran (like am doing with bible)
and you tell me how it doesnt make sense
then i tell you if your right or wrong..

which is why i am posting these bible references.. is to have someone come up and say "no that reference is not correct or that reference does not mean what you said it meant..." and take DISCUSSION fromt there

[Gen-X]

1. It is your view that I disrepsect everyone. Yes I know my method of conversation is abrasive but most people here understand that and realise the fairness in the fact that nobody gets away from it ;)

2. Disrespect comes from using one as a vehicle to promote the other which is what you are doing and have tried to do consistently. In that you are no different to every Christian in that you would not see reason if it was staring you in the face.

3. Your belief that there is a reason for everything happening no matter how cruel is the "typical" mental CRUTCH all religions use to gloss over things that are not good. If they give it a reason... and make that reason unattainable then nobody can dispute it right? It is for these reasons why I deny all religions... they are so obviously constructed it isn't funny.. but only those who are NOT religious would see it.

[HarryW]

you are no different to every Christian in that you would not see reason if it was staring you in the face
I take exception to that. Not because I call myself a Christian but because I think this is basically a racist thing to say. Just because you have differences of opinion with Christians doesn't mean you have a right to slander them in this way.

[Gen-X]

"Racist"?

And what the heck does race have to do with it? Christians can be of any race whatsoever...

As being a "Christian" is a choice based on a concept you CHOOSE to believe it cannot be "racist".

The statement is made as an observation of all those who share the same conceptual belief and time and time again it has proven to be true.

I will even state it as a FACT for you.

"Those who are of Christian belief will not see reason because of the purposely structure of their religion to discredit anything that contradicts its own purpose"


Get your terms straight Harry.... I am offended you would call me a racist, especially in an area completely devoid of RACE!

Appology awaited :mad:

[HarryW]

People calls anti-semite views racist, so I applied the term to Christians too. If there is another, more apropriate, 'ist' word, then that's what kind of statement it was and it's no better than racism.

You can forget the apology, you're the one who ought to be apologising to the Christians you have needlessly defamed.

[Gen-X]

So in other words you don't have a clue what your talking about? Thought as much.


Well, when a Christian can show me that their religion does NOT purposely refute ALL evidence that would appear to make their faith wrong I will correct my statement.

You only consider it defaming because you disagree with it (funny that... considering it proves my point for you to do so)... if I called them a "Christian" you would consider me correctly assessing their beliefs... but if you disagree I am defaming.

How absolutely totally and completely subjective you are Harry... Geez.. I didn't see it before, but you really to pass everything through this wierd hazy filter and give credit only to those things that fit into your limited view of the world.

You tell me what the sum of the following means :

1. Don't ask questions, it shows you don't have "faith"
2. If anyone refutes something in the Bible they are lost and confused
3. If someone says something that makes perfect sense then its the devil doing it, luring you away
4. Be constantly vigilant of people trying to convince you otherwise
5. God isn't around and won't talk to you so you cannot confirm anything we say
6. There is a reason far greater than YOU could ever imagine. So you can't question horrible events as you just don't understand.

If that is not enough evidence to make a perfectly valid statement that all those who consider themselves of the Christian faith would be unable to see the truth if it was directly in front of their faces I don't know what is.

Then again, you innability to see this only adds strength to what I am saying.... all you see is your "dislike" for the statement and you don't bother to read it... you will be damned if you would even give it the smallest grain of acknowledgment and you condemn it not because it has no truth in it but because it fails to go through your subjective filter.

At least I am able to admit when I have made a mistake or overlooked something.. even in the middle of getting the hairs on the back of my neck up (ala Random assume Random other thread)... But you wouldn't admit or appologise if you DID make a mistake regardless of the situation...

That piece of evidence confirms to me you are not sincere and have no wish to see the truth which you say you do... you only want the truth to be what you think it is.

kovan

Where do you get off stating that. As everyone knows l am the most disrespectful person on this site.

Gen-X is pointing out inconsistencies in the christian view of the cosmos, we still retain free speech, or has the Vatican outlawed that as well.


Ok koran problems. Muslim faith prescibes that you can not drink alcohol....based on a passage about grapes....now read a copy of the koran, and no where in it does the prophet state that you cannot drink alcohol. This is a totally subjective interpretation by Muslim thinkers.

Harry

You lost me on the racist arguement. Being non-christian does not make some one a racist. Please explain....lol....sorry aussie in-joke.

[HarryW]

Jethro - Err... okay ;)

Gen-X - If you've got a better word for it then feel free to apply it to yourself liberally.

Whether I agree or disagree with the statement is not relevant - you are the one who said it. It is a discriminatory generalisation. I cannot call myself a Christian, because I am not convinved of the existance of God. I am an intrigued Agnostic. I take offense to it just the same way as I would take offense to anybody making any stereotypical generalisation about a group they are not a member of.

Still, you won't see it of course, just the same way as the KKK see themselves as acting in a perfectly reasonable way (yes I know they're a Christian-based organisation and yes their actions are immoral IMO). Your sight is blurred and your hearing muffled due to the fact that your head is wedged firmly up your own rectum.

[Gen-X]

If you think the generalization is incorrect then provide something to back it up.

Just whining and crying like your mother kicked you only shows your ignorance.

All you need to do is show a SINGLE point that says this is not the case for every single person who is correctly defined as being "Christian" and I will retract it and appologise.

If however you continue to say it aint so and nothing more I will have no choice but to categorize you as a moron and thus simply say "Thats nice dear" every time you speak.

Your choice.

OH and BTW, your "full-of-yourself-I-do-no-wrong" attitude is starting to get on my nerves...

[HarryW]

Yeah like that really matters to me.


I know several Christians and I can personally couch for them and say that they WOULD see reason whether it was staring them in the face or not.

If you think that no Christians ever see reason then you are just plain idiotic. Just go away you foolish little person, you made a stupid, childish statement and are following it with more stupid, childish arguments. What on Earth drives you to act like this is beyond me. Maybe you're just trying to get under people's skin. It's futile even discussing this with you because you're just not interested in acting like any normal, rational human being.

[Gen-X]

Thats nice dear