C++ IDE Settings Questions [RESOLVED]

[flycast]

Hello:
I am new to C++ and am learning. I am noticing that the debugger is starting up much slower than it does when I am debugging VB.Net. This doesn't matter if it is a console app or a windows form app.

Here is the Output:

'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Erics\My Documents\Visual Studio Projects\FirstCForm\Debug\FirstCForm.exe', Symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntdll.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\system32\mscoree.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\system32\kernel32.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\system32\advapi32.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\system32\rpcrt4.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\system32\SHLWAPI.DLL', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\system32\msvcrt.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\system32\gdi32.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\system32\user32.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.1.4322\mscorwks.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.1.4322\msvcr71.dll', Symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.1.4322\fusion.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\system32\shell32.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.10.0_x-ww_f7fb5805\comctl32.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\system32\comctl32.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.1.4322\mscorlib.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\assembly\NativeImages1_v1.1.4322\mscorlib\1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e089_23797a54\mscorlib .dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.1.4322\diasymreader.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\system32\ole32.dll', No symbols loaded.
'DefaultDomain': Loaded 'c:\windows\microsoft.net\framework\v1.1.4322\mscorlib.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.1.4322\mscorsn.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm': Loaded 'c:\Documents and Settings\Erics\My Documents\Visual Studio Projects\FirstCForm\Debug\FirstCForm.exe', Symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.1.4322\mscorjit.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\assembly\GAC\System.Windows.Forms\1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e089\System.Windows.Forms.dll' , No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\assembly\NativeImages1_v1.1.4322\System.Windows.Forms\1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e089_73fe1 43a\System.Windows.Forms.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'c:\windows\assembly\gac\system.windows.forms\1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e089\system.windows.forms.dll' , No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\assembly\GAC\System\1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e089\System.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\assembly\NativeImages1_v1.1.4322\System\1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e089_acdc25d0\System.dll ', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'c:\windows\assembly\gac\system\1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e089\system.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\system32\MSCTF.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\assembly\GAC\System.Drawing\1.0.5000.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a\System.Drawing.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\assembly\NativeImages1_v1.1.4322\System.Drawing\1.0.5000.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a_5d0f5f43\Sy stem.Drawing.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'c:\windows\assembly\gac\system.drawing\1.0.5000.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a\system.drawing.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.GdiPlus_6595b64144ccf1df_1.0.10.0_x-ww_712befd8\GdiPlus.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\system32\mslbui.dll', No symbols loaded.
'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\system32\oleaut32.dll', No symbols loaded.
The thread 'Win32 Thread' (0xd94) has exited with code 0 (0x0).
The program '[488] FirstCForm.exe' has exited with code 0 (0x0).
The program '[488] FirstCForm.exe: Native' has exited with code 0 (0x0).

It really seems to hang on:

'FirstCForm.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\assembly\NativeImages1_v1.1.4322\mscorlib\1.0.5000.0__b77a5c561934e089_23797a54\mscorlib .dll', No symbols loaded.

Is there some setting that I can change to speed this up?

Also, the IDE does not seem to have a realtime check like VB.Net does. Meaning with VB.Net it tells you immediatly when you make a syntac error. When I am working in C++ it does not. IS there a configuration change I cna make?

[CornedBee]

First, you're compiling as Managed C++, which is NOT what you want - you want to learn real C++, I assume. Delete your project and create Win32 projects.

Second, why do you care about how long the debugger needs to start? Anyway, the plain C++ debugger starts a lot faster.

Third, there is no immediate syntax check for C++. The reason, I think, is that C++ is so much more complex than the other languages that it would take too much effort to place a checker into the IDE.

[flycast]

Thank you for the heads up on managed vs unmanaged.

The reason I care is I didn't want to wait 15 seconds each time it starts if all the waiting is not necessary. For instance, in VB if I have a deployment project attached to my projects I don't want to build it every time I am debugging the main project itself.

C++ is case sensitive. I read up some this weekend and now that I understand this it makes more sense. VB will see that you didn't spell a variable name with the correct case and "fix" it for you. Nice, but also has some drawbacks.

Thanks for your reply.

[CornedBee]

Hmm, the few times I had my Managed C++ debugger start, it didn't delay any more than any other debugger...

[flycast]

Unmanaged is clearly WAY faster than managed. Looks like I have a lot to learn about C++ vs the languages I already know (VB, PHP, Pascal, SSL).
Thanks