I agree with you totally. I don't mind that security measures are in place, they should just apply equally to all.
As for HardCode deleting the thread, you gotta laugh. instead of just admitting he's been soundly proved wrong, he tries to pretend it didn't happen. Oh well, each to their own.
Originally posted by Xanith Bah I wanted to respond to FB he’s a great debater
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Thanks! I'm glad you didn't call me a master-debater.....
I do enjoy these discussions, I must say. Here's my last post.
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Originally posted by Ex-FB
... you have shown yourself to be downright racist with regards to anyone who is not a US citizen (and even some who are).
Originally posted by NotLKH
Out of everything you've said in the previous post, this I'd like to respond to.
However, before I do, I would like you to provide some support of your statement first.
-Thanks
-Lou
Certainly. I would like to clarify that by racist, I mean the US countries policies, not necessarily the people itself are racist. And also by racism, I don't mean just people's colour, I mean they're whole cultural background (religon, country of birth etc.)
For example:
In the "fight against terrorism", many citizens of countries are required to provide fingerprints when they enter the US (even if it is just for a holiday).
Some of these countries like Brazil have absolutely no links to Al-queida, whilst other countries, which have strong ties (such as Britain - remember the shoe-bomber) are excempt???? What is the logic behind this? Well, it would appear that most of the exempt countires are the pro-war one's, regardless of what the indivdual citizens might be up to. Surely this constitutes discrimination as you are assuming that the citizens of one country are more likely to be criminals than the citizens of another (despite evidence to the contrary).
As an aside:It's interesting that when Brazil started fingerprinting US citizens as they entered the country (in retaliation), the US citizens were up in arms, and a number have been charged with refusing to comply. It's okay for us to do it to them, but not the other way around.
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In addition, Canadian passports have country of birth stamped on them. Here's a snippet of how this effects Canadian citizens working in the US.
A new US immigration policy that discriminates against some Canadian citizens born in the Middle East and South Asia has been widely condemned in Canada. The controversial policy came into effect on September 11. It gives US border-guards and customs officials the authority to photograph and fingerprint Canadian citizens born in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Pakistan upon arrival in the US. This discriminatory policy, which essentially criminalizes people born in these countries, is imposed under the excuse of American "security".
I would argue that this a racist policy, as you are treating a person differently based upon their country of birth, regardless of what country they are a citizen of.
In addition, people from these countries are required to inform the government where they are staying and when ever they move house. other foreign nationals are not subject to these requirements.
For more information look up "National Security Entry-Exit Registration System" (NSEERS).
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I have an uncle who regularly travels through the US (or used to, he's given up now and travels via Toronto). He has travelled maybe four or five times every year for the past twenty years. He can only remember ever being questioned about two times before, and that was for a minute or so each time.
Now when he travels via the US, each time he is taken into a sideroom and questioned extensively by US Customs. Did I mention my uncle was from India??? Last name Khan? He's a Canadian citizen and has been for 40 years, but I'm sure some little flag somewhere goes up.
My brother does about the same amount of traveling via the US. Hasn't been stopped once (he's British/white anglo-saxon).
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Okay, moving on.
Quantanamo Bay. One american held there. He got a trial and his case heard straight away. Nobody else did. they were all held without charge for years? Does that sound like equality?
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What about Mike Hawash? Held without charge by the FBI.
A showdown is approaching between the homeland security enforcers at the United States Department of Justice and civil rights groups supported by the Muslim community in Oregon over the case of the Portland Six – now Seven.
The extra defendant, only charged last week, is Intel software engineer Maher "Mike" Hawash, 39, a US citizen for 15 years who was arrested at gunpoint in his office car park on March 20. Five weeks of solitary confinement without charges followed in which he was kept incommunicado while his family and friends vainly sought information on his alleged crimes.
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And the flip side...
There are lots of good old american boyo's who funded the IRA. A direct link with a terrorist organisation right on your own shores. Any sign of them being rounded up and arressted...... er, no.
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These are just some instances off the top of my head.
And Lou's response.....
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In terms of National Security, there should be absolutely no exception on travelers coming from other countries into the US. They should all be treated equally, with no consideration of wether their home country was part of "The Coalition" or not.
They all should be investigated with the same degree as everybody else.
I deleted my thread. Anti-US people were insulting me and my country, so I am insulting them back. It is just getting a bit out of hand and crazy. True trolls like Wally Pip and Honeybee are luring me into insult wars. I'd rather hear it face to face then from the "beer muscle" of the Internet. So I deleted my post. My post, my decision.
Quantanamo Bay. One american held there. He got a trial and his case heard straight away. Nobody else did. they were all held without charge for years? Does that sound like equality?
Again, I believe in the judicial system, and to hold people for abnormally long periods of time, without charge, nor with any formal declaration as prisoners of war is criminal, imho. Of course, most of them were taken into custody for good reason, {I hope}, but by now it is time for them to be taken care of, one way or another.
And, BTW, HC, its My thread now, which I've given to all the world.
Nothing wrong with getting pissed at those who get under your skin. Heck, HB does that all the time. And Wally, well, he likes to razz people he disagrees with. Certainly, give as good as you get, or better.
But,
D o It With Style!
Originally posted by HardCode I deleted my thread. Anti-US people were insulting me and my country, so I am insulting them back. It is just getting a bit out of hand and crazy. True trolls like Wally Pip and Honeybee are luring me into insult wars. I'd rather hear it face to face then from the "beer muscle" of the Internet. So I deleted my post. My post, my decision.
And I guess its your party and you'll cry if you want to also..
Originally posted by HardCode I deleted my thread. Anti-US people were insulting me and my country, so I am insulting them back. It is just getting a bit out of hand and crazy. True trolls like Wally Pip and Honeybee are luring me into insult wars. I'd rather hear it face to face then from the "beer muscle" of the Internet. So I deleted my post. My post, my decision.
Really? Where are the anti-US people? Maybe anti-US government? Yes, but not anti-US. There is a big difference.
If you cannot stand insults against the government, then maybe you shouldn't watch the news or anything else like that, because the rest of us live in democracys, and we use our right freely.
As for insulting your country? Constructive critisism is not an insult. If I say, I think it's wrong that the US government does x, y or z. That is not an insult on your country.
But not to worry, now this thread has been outed "with style" the whole lot of us can get along discussing the matter at hand.
Not sure about HB though but yes, I indeed wound you up a bit. The rest however is all your own doing mr. HC.
And as SD said : learn the difference between disagreeing with foreign policies of a state and its citizens.
I've said that enough times over the last years. I've explained my views enough times over the last years. If you didn't bother reading it then tough luck. If you walk into an obvious wind-up then tough luck.
You have only yourself to blame.
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I'm a proud american! Since we invented the internet, freedom fries and pogo sticks you should all bow down to us. You funny forenors should be awshamed of yourselvs. If it wasn't for Americans you would all be speaking Canadian. Not just regular Canadian mind you, "Freedom" Canadian.
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Originally posted by MasterBlaster I'm a proud american! Since we invented the internet, freedom fries and pogo sticks you should all bow down to us. You funny forenors should be awshamed of yourselvs. If it wasn't for Americans you would all be speaking Canadian. Not just regular Canadian mind you, "Freedom" Canadian.
Yip! And all our women would have unshaved armpits!
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Oh well, each to their own.
, the post of the day for me....
