What the hell? THREE minute silence?

[wossname]

It appears that the all powerful leaders of the UN deemed it fair to hold a 3 minute silence at 11:00 this morning to pay respects to the awful Madrid disaster.

Mathematically speaking, why does Europe think several dozen of its citizens (I'm not sure of the exact number) warrant a longer silence than the 2 minutes that the World Trade Centre where thousands of people died.

This is obviously a political statement, where did they get 3 minutes from otherwise? I don't mean to be insensitive to those who were callously murdered in Spain, they certainly deserve 3 minutes of anyones time, but it sems to me like they (the politicians) just want to get one over on the rest of the world.

Silences like these are just rewarding the terrorists, and gives them a reason to aim for lerger scale targets in the future. There is no excuse for competing like this. 2 minutes is fine.

Imagine Osama talking to his chums around a horse-turd fire...
"Hmm how many minutes should we go for next time guys?"

I find it disgusting, personally. And its not even as if they bothered to tell anyone it was going to be 3 minutes anyway.

Badly thought out, irresponsible and pointless - standard European policy then!

[dis1411]

im not sure they did it to 1 up us, but i definitely think it could be viewed as a how many minutes can we cause challenge

[davebat]

Originally posted by dis1411
im not sure they did it to 1 up us, but i definitely think it could be viewed as a how many minutes can we cause challenge

I think terrorists may be a bit more calculating in their actions than that.

The Socialist Party won a shock poll victory after voters appeared to turn on the government over its handling of the Madrid bombings.

This in turn lead to:

Socialist Party prime minister-elect has declared his intention to pull Spanish troops out of Iraq.
Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero said: "The war in Iraq was a disaster, the occupation of Iraq is a disaster."

there is a method to their madness

[BodwadUK]

Lets face it, it worked like a dream for the Terrorists not that Spain is really at fault as they have a responsibility to their people.

Standard is 2 mins lets bloody keep it two mins and remove the bloody stupid political element that seems to arise in everthing these days no matter how sick :mad: :mad: :mad:

[plenderj]

It was the Irish Prime Minister Bertie Ahern that suggested the 3 minutes. I don't think he put a lot of thought into it - it was more off the top of the top of his head :)

[davebat]

Originally posted by plenderj
It was the Irish Prime Minister Bertie Ahern that suggested the 3 minutes. I don't think he put a lot of thought into it - it was more off the top of the top of his head :)

I agree, I dont think it was supposed to mean anything, other than a mark of respect.

[BodwadUK]

:rolleyes: Bloody Irish

:lol:

[Memnoch1207]

Socialist Party prime minister-elect has declared his intention to pull Spanish troops out of Iraq.
Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero said: "The war in Iraq was a disaster, the occupation of Iraq is a disaster."

He does have a responsibility to the people of his country, but pulling out his troops and slandering the war in Iraq as a disaster, seems to me, to be some feeble attempt at appeasing the individuals or groups that did the bombing in the first place.

What country in their right mind would back down after a terroristic bombing?

He can say and do as he pleases, but I think he is setting a bad example for the rest of the world.

[plenderj]

The previous Prime Minister went against the wishes of the population - so he's merely appeasing both himself and the general public.

[Wally Pipp]

I second Bodwad's sentiment : bloody Oirish ! :p

[Xcoder]

Originally posted by Memnoch1207
He does have a responsibility to the people of his country, but pulling out his troops and slandering the war in Iraq as a disaster, seems to me, to be some feeble attempt at appeasing the individuals or groups that did the bombing in the first place.

What country in their right mind would back down after a terroristic bombing?

He can say and do as he pleases, but I think he is setting a bad example for the rest of the world.

Pleeaaaseee...I know a couple of countries that should do the same

[Memnoch1207]

Originally posted by Xcoder
Pleeaaaseee...I know a couple of countries that should do the same
Do what exactly???
Back down from terrorism?
Sit idly by while other countries are attacked and innocent people die?
There is a thing called compassion and a sense of humanity and any countries government that would allow such things to happen without taking action should seriously consider restructuring their government.

This isn't a country vs. country or religion vs. religion issue, this is about allowing innocent people to die without doing anything about it.

[Memnoch1207]

I'll take it one step further.
This is about humans allowing other humans to be killed, without doing anything to stop it.

The main problem is most people, governments, etc.. only think in the area of their own little world. What doesn't affect them directly isn't a problem that needs to be addressed.

If americans are being killed, then it's the americans problem.
If it's muslims being killed, then it's the muslims problem.

That attitude is a bunch of ****. It's a problem with HUMANITY and it's willingness to sit by while others die.

[wossname]

!!!SHOCK NEWS!!!

The Spanish are pulling their 1400 troops out of Iraq. Oh my GOD what are we going to do now? We're all DOOMED!

:rolleyes:

*(mutters lots of aggravated remarks under breath)*

[Gaffer]

Originally posted by Memnoch1207
I'll take it one step further.
This is about humans allowing other humans to be killed, without doing anything to stop it.

The main problem is most people, governments, etc.. only think in the area of their own little world. What doesn't affect them directly isn't a problem that needs to be addressed.

If americans are being killed, then it's the americans problem.
If it's muslims being killed, then it's the muslims problem.

That attitude is a bunch of ****. It's a problem with HUMANITY and it's willingness to sit by while others die.

It's also the attitude of a nation of people that have been scared out of their wits due to years of facism under Franco, and terrorism under Basque Separaist groups over the last half century.
Just because they pull their troops out of Iraq does not mean they are capitulating - The US and UK solution, the war solution, is not the only solution, as Ghandi proved.

This "War on Terror" in it's present format isn't going particularly well, is it?

[Gaffer]

Originally posted by wossname
!!!SHOCK NEWS!!!

The Spanish are pulling their 1400 troops out of Iraq. Oh my GOD what are we going to do now? We're all DOOMED!

:rolleyes:

*(mutters lots of aggravated remarks under breath)*

Proof that even sarcasm can be hoplessly unfunny...

[davebat]

Originally posted by Memnoch1207

That attitude is a bunch of ****. It's a problem with HUMANITY and it's willingness to sit by while others die.

Everyone dies, why should we be held responsible for the deaths of people we have never met or never will meet?

[Wally Pipp]

I see Gaffs woke up out of his hibernation ! :D

[Gaffer]

Originally posted by Wally Pipp
I see Gaffs woke up out of his hibernation ! :D

I could smell right-wing nonsense... ;)

[Wally Pipp]

smell? It's been stinking the place up for months now.

[RSINGH]

Originally posted by Wally Pipp
I second Bodwad's sentiment : bloody Oirish ! :p

Yup:wave:

[Wally Pipp]

Bluddy 'ell, they're coming out of the woodwork now :eek:

[Gaffer]

Fooking bejeesus oreiily - Ranj! Are you still at Monument?

[Wally Pipp]

He is still a monument by the looks of it.

[Gaffer]

Originally posted by Wally Pipp
He is still a monument by the looks of it.

That almost sounded rude...

[RSINGH]

Originally posted by Gaffer
Fooking bejeesus oreiily - Ranj! Are you still at Monument?

Still here for the mo'. Hows Cannon St? :D

Wally *SLAP*;)

[Gaffer]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RSINGH
Still here for the mo'. Hows Cannon St? :D


How's Cannon street? Just round the corner from you squeezer :p
And don't slap Wally, his Botox will seep everywhere...

[Wally Pipp]

wotchit ducky, I'm doin' karataratate now !

[RSINGH]

Originally posted by Wally Pipp
wotchit ducky, I'm doin' karataratate now !

That will be of no use against my super lethal special move.

*Grabs Wally's nut sack and twists*:p

[Wally Pipp]

*swish*
*thud thud thud thud ...*

Whoops, did my katana just behead you or is it just my imagination ? :)

[RSINGH]

Ah the sound of threads being sent on random tangents...feels good!

[Wally Pipp]

derailment in progress, please keep clear.

[RSINGH]

Does this site still censor arsenal and s****horpe.

[Wally Pipp]

tittywank !

[Gaffer]

Donald Rumsf**d

Hmmmmm....

[Wally Pipp]

that's the same and it is censored ? :eek:

[Gaffer]

Originally posted by Wally Pipp
tittywank !

Excellent!!!

Fannyfart....

[Wally Pipp]

****ybaws ... oh shït

[RSINGH]

****Flaps - oops

[Gaffer]

Do you find this thread makes more sense than the original post?

Mangravy

[RSINGH]

I am the new forum prefect...every one will do as I say and think as I believe.

Cock Rings

[Gaffer]

Cockrings? You go them back off your Mum then?

Smellyspunk

[RSINGH]

Originally posted by Gaffer
Cockrings? You go them back off your Mum then?

Smellyspunk

Nah - got some replacements from Kwik Fit...

Buttplugs

[Wally Pipp]

this is fun ...

spunkwad

[RSINGH]

My turn

Pickled Minge

[Wally Pipp]

Ooooh ...

fishflaps

[RSINGH]

OK - how about...


Fishy Fingers

[Wally Pipp]

by the way, we are of course deeply sorry for the victims :(

Bearded Clam !

[RSINGH]

Originally posted by Wally Pipp
by the way, we are of course deeply sorry for the victims :(



Absolutely - ditto:(

Badly packed kebab

[Wally Pipp]

let's swing the other way baby ...

Love Pole

[Memnoch1207]

Originally posted by davebat
Everyone dies, why should we be held responsible for the deaths of people we have never met or never will meet?
You are right, everyone does die, but a persons death doesn't need to be the result of murder. Especially murder that could have been prevented.

It is this type of attitude that I am talking about. You have never seen them, never met them, therefore they mean nothing to you. They are just like you, just people trying to survive and provide for themselves and their families, just trying to have a better life, and it's attitudes like yours that allow these murderers to continue killing innocent people without any fear of retribution, why??? Because you don't know them, therefore they don't matter!

[davebat]

Originally posted by Memnoch1207
it's attitudes like yours that allow these murderers to continue killing innocent people without any fear of retribution, why??? Because you don't know them, therefore they don't matter!

Wrong. Your attitude obviously differs and yet the atrocities still continue. You say you care yet what have you done to stop them? Im sure all the victims of tradegy feel a lot safer knowing that you see the news and that you care.

Im only being honest.

[wossname]

Originally posted by RSINGH
Absolutely - ditto:(

Badly packed kebab

f'kin LOL :lol: :lol: :lol:

[RSINGH]

Hairy axe wound...

[RSINGH]

Originally posted by Wally Pipp
let's swing the other way baby ...

Love Pole

Pork Sword

[Wally Pipp]

Roger Ramrod

[RSINGH]

One eyed purple monster

[Wally Pipp]

trouser snake

[RSINGH]

Flapping Foreskins - how can I beat that one:confused: :mad:

[Wally Pipp]

homing missile

[RSINGH]

nob

[Wally Pipp]

scraping the barrel eh ...

night stick.

[Memnoch1207]

Originally posted by davebat
Wrong. Your attitude obviously differs and yet the atrocities still continue. You say you care yet what have you done to stop them? Im sure all the victims of tradegy feel a lot safer knowing that you see the news and that you care.

Im only being honest.

The difference is I DO CARE. Only I haven't figured out what it is I can do to prevent it, other than voice my opinion to those in power, who obviously share the same opinion as you. Apparently, there are more important things in the world than human life.

I am not trying to attack you or your opinion, I am merely trying to demonstrate that if more people viewed the world on a smaller, more personal scale, and looked outside their own little worlds, things could change. But like you said, you don't know them, you are never going to meet them, so who cares.

And there is a word for people who DO CARE, their called Humanitarians. People like Jesus, Princess Diana, Ghandi, Mother Theresa, etc.. People who cared about others, for no other reason except that they were fellow human beings.

[davebat]

Originally posted by Memnoch1207
The difference is I DO CARE. Only I haven't figured out what it is I can do to prevent it, other than voice my opinion to those in power, who obviously share the same opinion as you. Apparently, there are more important things in the world than human life.

I am not trying to attack you or your opinion, I am merely trying to demonstrate that if more people viewed the world on a smaller, more personal scale, and looked outside their own little worlds, things could change. But like you said, you don't know them, you are never going to meet them, so who cares.

And there is a word for people who DO CARE, their called Humanitarians. People like Jesus, Princess Diana, Ghandi, Mother Theresa, etc.. People who cared about others, for no other reason except that they were fellow human beings.

I do agree with you and if i could click my fingers and make everything right I would, I'm not a complete ****.

I think the reason no-one really cares is because like all animals human beings have an ultimate instinct of self preservation, basically we look out for ourselves rather than others.

Im not afraid to admit that I only care about myself, my family and my friends.

Also your point about voicing your opinion to those in power is a bit weak, it seems as if your passing the buck. If you want something done right do it yourself.

And your wrong, there is nothing more imprtant to me than my own life, selfish as that may sound.

I do appreciate your opinion however and hope you are able to make a positive impact on the world.

[NotLKH]

Originally posted by davebat
... it seems as if your passing the buck. If you want something done right do it yourself.
So, this philosophy on the surface might seem like sound advice, but there are specific examples to display the flaws.

Num1:

Your wife/mother/sister/{you?} are pregnant, and have gotten to the point where the little one is about to pop out. What do you do?

A) Pull out the tongs and dive in?
B) Pull a Van Dyke, ie.. Do your best Headless Chicken Impression, but remember to phone the Hospital/Doctor/Midwife that there services are requested.


Num2:

You've just been in an accident with a Sixteen Wheeler. As luck would have it, your Hummer has only suffered minor injuries, more do to you spilling your coffee all over the upholstered interior than anything else. Unfortunately, you are now faced with a Bearded Gentleman waving a tire iron around amazingly close to your head as you try to understand words like "F*%!" and "S^@*". After understanding that he was hauling a load of Grade A Emu Eggs, which now resemble the worlds largest performance art peice, what do you do?

A) Haul Ass and get the H Outa there?

B) Having been a Long Time Saturday Morning Fan of Jackie Chan, Decide to display your outstanding martial arts manuevers?

C) Ask your now shapely post-pregnant wife to put the kid down, and call the professionally trained police force while you distract the Gentleman {Who looks more like he's bellied up to more bars than he's swung} by engaging him in a foot race.



There are some things best left to the professionals. However, your job is to tell them what to do, when you know you're in over your head.

:wave:

[davebat]

Originally posted by NotLKH

There are some things best left to the professionals. However, your job is to tell them what to do, when you know you're in over your head.


You seem to have said that purely for arguments sake, anyhow is the goverments job to comply with the request of every single individual person in the country? If so I might ask for a new car.

[NotLKH]

Yes, ranked by the number of user's requesting the same thing.

:wave:

[Foxer]

Originally posted by wossname

The Spanish are pulling their 1400 troops out of Iraq. Oh my GOD what are we going to do now? We're all DOOMED!


I bet the US replace them with 1000 US troops.

[Pc_Madness]

Originally posted by wossname
Badly thought out, irresponsible and pointless - standard European policy then!

Who gives a ****? People die and you complain that the US's minutes of silence was 1 less..

[honeybee]

Originally posted by Gaffer
It's also the attitude of a nation of people that have been scared out of their wits due to years of facism under Franco, and terrorism under Basque Separaist groups over the last half century.
Just because they pull their troops out of Iraq does not mean they are capitulating - The US and UK solution, the war solution, is not the only solution, as Ghandi proved.

This "War on Terror" in it's present format isn't going particularly well, is it?

Eh, Gaffer, you put the 'h' in the wrong place, mate :o

The name is "Gandhi", not "Ghandi".

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[honeybee]

Originally posted by Memnoch1207
... And there is a word for people who DO CARE, their called Humanitarians. People like Jesus, Princess Diana, Ghandi, Mother Theresa, etc.. People who cared about others, for no other reason except that they were fellow human beings.

Funnily, all those people mentioned above wouldn't resort to violence to resolve any conflicts :o Is there any conclusion to be drawn from this?

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[Arc]

It's a good thing there is a United States of America or this world would be one sucky ass place to live. The US is the only one willing to stand up for ourselves and others. If it was left up to all these other pansy ass countries there would be 100's of dictators slaughtering innocents by the millions.

[honeybee]

Originally posted by Arc
It's a good thing there is a United States of America or this world would be one sucky ass place to live. The US is the only one willing to stand up for ourselves and others. If it was left up to all these other pansy ass countries there would be 100's of dictators slaughtering innocents by the millions.

Yeah, and Prez Bush is a prophet in disguise :D


I don't see what's so great about what the US is doing to the other countries. It's nothing but protecting its own interests, which is nothing to boast about. It's only willing to stand up for itself, and as the Saudi Prince has stated, the other countries are able to tackle their own problems, without the US intervening. In a broader sense, I would even venture out to say that probably all the US has been doing so far is create problems and push counries into instability so they come running towards the only "superpower" left for help.

"Pansy ass" ?? Ha ha ha, probably fits the US in the present sense. Destroying two whole countries because its own security was dozing off when the terrorists entered the country, hurrying to suffocate the free trade environment as soon as a few of its jobs are lost to other cheap sources and trying to force other countries to open their markets for the US products under the name of regional trade agreements. Acts of a country unsure of its own future.

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