Internet Explorer Problem

[havoq93]

Ugg. I dunno how this happend but...everything I have a window maximized, and I goto hit the middle button, inbetween the minimize and close button, it minimizes the whole window instead of letting me adjust the size. basically I have 2 minimizing buttons now. and its retarded.

Plus when I open up a new internet explorer session, it auto minimzes the window into my taskbar, intead of making it "ON TOP" like normal sessions do

Anyone know how to fix it?

[baby]

ever try right clicking the IE top bar and selecting restore? does it still minimise your window?

[Kasracer]

www.opera.com

and

www.mozilla.org

also

www.netscape.com

[morrowasted]

yeah, just download mozilla to solve all your problems forever

[havoq93]

yes that still minimizes my window.

[baby]

might be ur explorer problem try reinstalling windows

[nemaroller]

Netscape blows to high hell.

Mozilla or Explorer, and I'd still pick Explorer (best for development).

[Kasracer]

Originally posted by nemaroller
Netscape blows to high hell.

Mozilla or Explorer, and I'd still pick Explorer (best for development). Netscape and Mozilla use the same engine, they are VERY similar.

How is Explorer best for development? There SHOULDN'T be one browser "best for development". All things should work in all browsers.

[nemaroller]

Netscape has been buggy from release 3 to 6. Finally, its more stable. Netscape vs Mozilla ... Netscape always brings in AOL extras.

There SHOULDN'T be one browser "best for development". All things should work in all browsers.

You haven't made many web applications have you?

[Kasracer]

Originally posted by nemaroller
You haven't made many web applications have you? When I was learning PHP I made some stuff that would fetch store and update in a database, but not much more than that.

It shouldn't be "use this browser to make web applications". If they're made correctly, they'll work in ALL browsers.

[nemaroller]

Again, unfortunately, that's not the way of the web.

Consider 92% of site hits are IE clients, and IE's wonderful script debugging, and you have your development winner hands-down.

[Kasracer]

Originally posted by nemaroller
Again, unfortunately, that's not the way of the web.

Consider 92% of site hits are IE clients, and IE's wonderful script debugging, and you have your development winner hands-down. Ugh, fine continue making horrible code. Just don't expect everyone to be able to view it.

[nemaroller]

It's not about making horrible code. It's about development time and costs and capturing the biggest market, without compromising features. And, I'm not talking about websites, ie Amazon.com. They have a development budget for the ages.

I'm talking about web applications designed for internal enterprise use using the browser as a thin client, and IE dominates...

http://www.channelminds.com/article.php3?id_article=116

If Netscape could become more compliant with the W3 standard, then perhaps we could be bothered.

Again, once you graduate college, you'll have your own encounters to the quirks of budgets, project leaders, and deadlines... and writing control classes that have to generate 3 versions of javascript based on the client's browser.

[Kasracer]

Originally posted by nemaroller
It's not about making horrible code. It's about development time and costs and capturing the biggest market, without compromising features. If you learn the java script standard, I see no reason why it would take longer or shorter to use bad code.

How do you know the company will always use IE? How do you know IE7 (or another version) won't fix the horrible rendering engine IE currently has that allows sloppy/bad code to run? Not all things are set in stone, why not comply with the standards so the application will work in future browser versions and other browsers?

If I had a company that used a web application, and when we updated or moved to another platform and suddenly it didn't work correctly/at all, I'd be very pissed at the ones who made it.
Originally posted by nemaroller
I'm talking about web applications designed for internal enterprise use using the browser as a thin client, and IE dominates...

http://www.channelminds.com/article.php3?id_article=116

That article is quite old. IE's share is more like ~85% now and is dropping. Apple's safari and alternative browsers on Windows are starting to go up.

Originally posted by nemaroller
If Netscape could become more compliant with the W3 standard, then perhaps we could be bothered.
Mozilla uses the gecko engine, which is the same engine Netscape uses and Mozilla is pretty good in the compliance compartment so I'd assume Netscape would be as well. It is definatly more compliant with the W3C than IE is, I know that for sure.
Originally posted by nemaroller
Again, once you graduate college, you'll have your own encounters to the quirks of budgets, project leaders, and deadlines... and writing control classes that have to generate 3 versions of javascript based on the client's browser. Why would you have to write seperate java scripts? Writing 1 would be fine if it was fairly compliant and, if you needed, you could have some simple server side script to just modify small parts of the java script to make it work. If your script is 100% different for each browser, requiring you to make 3 scripts, then you got design issues.

and whats this 'graduate college' business? I'm never graduating! :D

[nemaroller]

Originally posted by kasracer
If you learn the java script standard, I see no reason why it would take longer or shorter to use bad code.

It's not the javascript, its the functions called with the javascript to, i.e., find and position elements on the page.


How do you know the company will always use IE? How do you know IE7 (or another version) won't fix the horrible rendering engine IE currently has that allows sloppy/bad code to run? Not all things are set in stone, why not comply with the standards so the application will work in future browser versions and other browsers?

Unfortunately, no browser on the market meets the standards. So again, why bother with 5% of the Netscape and others, if an enterprise is mostly running Windows apps.

If I had a company that used a web application, and when we updated or moved to another platform and suddenly it didn't work correctly/at all, I'd be very pissed at the ones who made it.

Now you're understanding the money model! Everyone does it. IBM, Sun, and Microsoft among others. Web technology has been cobbled together, and its a real mess, as I'm sure you are aware.
I wouldn't recommend browsing the Net today with Netscape v3.



That article is quite old. IE's share is more like ~85% now and is dropping. Apple's safari and alternative browsers on Windows are starting to go up.

Haven't seen any solid links to that. But again, if 85% was true, it's still domination. Besides, no enterprise we know of uses Apple OS's for anything worthwhile.


Mozilla uses the gecko engine, which is the same engine Netscape uses and Mozilla is pretty good in the compliance compartment so I'd assume Netscape would be as well. It is definatly more compliant with the W3C than IE is, I know that for sure.

Don't be so sure. IE led Netscape since version 3 in compliance. (Open-source advocates always toot their own horns. I played with Mozilla on my Mandrake box, and I frankly never understood the claims it was faster than IE.)


Why would you have to write seperate java scripts? Writing 1 would be fine if it was fairly compliant and, if you needed, you could have some simple server side script to just modify small parts of the java script to make it work. If your script is 100% different for each browser, requiring you to make 3 scripts, then you got design issues.


If the controls were as simple as a textbox mouseover, I wouldn't waste my breath. Unfortunately, they are always multitudes more complex. Any minor modification to the script just to appease another obscure browser is $500 in development costs (2-3 hours work).

and whats this 'graduate college' business? I'm never graduating! :D

The tech market is picking up again, i think its safe to leave now!