Ahh, i'll forgive you this time . Hey! Speaking of running a vb app as a system service. I know vb has issues with this on NT, hince the reason for the ocx control. But can Windows Server 2003 run a vb app as a service? I never tired it. Maybe that same ocx is compatable with Server 03? I dont think .NET has the same issues. .NET is all sweet and sexy. Hum.. Yeah, I said sexy.