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    Question No idea how to start this related rates problem!

    Hello everyone!
    I'm doing related rates, usually doing with volume or area of a shape, but now we are getting into different types of problems, problems dealing with a right triangle and i'm getting lost! The problem is as fallows:
    A boat is pulled into a dock by means of a winch 12 ft aove the deck of the boat
    (a) The winch pulls in rope at a rate of 4 ft per second. Determine the speed of the boat when there is 13 feet of rope out.
    (b) Suppose the boat is moving at a cosntant rate of 4 feet per second. Determine the speed at which the winch pulls in rope when there is a total of 13 feet of rope out.

    OKay the picture looks like this
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    x[winch]
    |-.
    |   -.
    |      -.
    |         -.
    |            -.  <|
    --------------  [boat]
    The height of this is 12 feet
    the hypotenus is 13 ft
    So the winch is that x up there, and the hypotenus is the rope, so the witch is pulling at a horizontal direction.
    Thats what confuses me....
    I know how to solve latter problems like:
    A 13' ladder is leaning against a wall if we pull the bottom at 3ft per second, how fast is the top going down when the ladder is 5 feet from the wall.
    I know how to solve problems like these, But I don't know what the top problem wants me to solve for.
    For instance, in question (a) if the winch is pulling the boat, does that mean the hypotenus, we'll call r for rope, dr/dt = 4ft/sec?
    Then using c^2=b^2+a^2; we can find the x, which would come out to be 5. So do they want me to solve for dx/dt? meaning dx/dt is the speed of the boat?
    I'm also lost at the fact that it seems like I have too much information, because from what they gave me, i end up with
    (13)^2 = 12^2 + x^2;
    d/dx[13^2] = d/dx [12^2] + d/dx[x^2];
    0 = 0 + 2x dx/dt
    0 = dx/dt?
    which is wrong in so many ways, any help?
    thanks for listening!
    C¤ry Sanchez
    Computer Science/Engineering
    @ Penn State
    IBM.zSeries Intern
    Mandriva 2007

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    Talking split it

    Split into horizontal and vertical:

    Find Fh and Fv in terms of t.
    I.e. find the components of the pull in terms of the time.

    => you have d Fh / dt and d Fv /dt
    now you can use d Fh / dt to find the pull on the boat, and the overall speed at a certain time.
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    I figured it out alittle differnetly, I don't nkow if i'm getting the rgiht answer though because this is an even question.
    I did the following:
    c^2 = x^2 + y^2;
    2c dc/dt = 2x dx/dt + 2y dy/dt
    u know dy/dt is going to be 0 because the height is never changing, so
    u now have
    2c dc/dt = 2x dx/dt
    U want to find dx/dt because thats the speed of the boat
    dx/dt = c/x dc/dt
    dx/dt = (13)/5 (4)
    dx/dt = 10.4 ft/sec

    for the 2nd part, part b
    i got
    dc/dt = x/c dx/dt
    dc/dt = 5/13(4)
    dc/dt = 6.15 ft/sec
    C¤ry Sanchez
    Computer Science/Engineering
    @ Penn State
    IBM.zSeries Intern
    Mandriva 2007

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