Yet another problem with religon (Gen-X the ball's in your court)

Ok christian religous thought states

God is a jealous god to do with not worshipping other gods or idols etc

however christians also state

Jealousy is a cardinal sin

Ergo God is sinful.......now how can this be?

[Gen-X]

Actually... Truth be known I don't think jealousy is a sin...

Covetousness is a sin (I think) but God is just plain spitefully Jealous... he doesn't desire to have something anyone else does.

Either that or those of a religious inkling will say because God is so perfect his jealousness isn't the same as ours in which case its ok for him to be.

Either way... I am sure they will have an excuse :)

[Sam Finch]

Jelosy is one of the 7 Deadly Sins which are


Wrath
God gets angry all the time
Sloth
God is Everywhere, surley that
means he's been in bed for the
last 20000 years

Lust
Jesus is God's Love child with
Mary, in fact she was a married
women so that was adultary as well

Envy
as Jethro Says God is a Jelous God

Gluttony
Think of all the stuff that get's
sacrificed to god around the World
You have to be pretty fat to eat
all that

Greed
see all those sacrifices.

Pride
He gets really pissed off if we
don't tell him how great he is
all the Time



I don't know if the seven sins are part of christianity or not, I think the're in there somewhere.




[Edited by Sam Finch on 07-28-2000 at 08:17 AM]

[V(ery) Basic]

The Seven Deadly (Cardinal) Sins aren't in the Bible at all. They were introduced by Pope Gregory in the 1st Century

I am a fount of useless information

[wick77]

The seven deadly sins were introduced to help curb the anarchy and chaos that reigned back in the 1st century.
They were meant as a guidebook to being a good person :D.
They have nothing to do with God.

God is a figment of the collective imagination. He is a scapegoat for those that are afraid to REALLY think for themselves and develop their own opinion of existence and aesthetics.

I dont mean to be so subjective, but the facts are there. You have hundreds of religions proclaiming that they are the only true religion when none of them can TRULY support any of their claims with significant evidence...just supposition.

My 'God' is the universe and nature as a whole. I live my life in the world around me not based on what if's, and could be's.

I dont understand how so many people can even begin to think they can encompass God's reality. Do they think that something that could create all this be put in simple human terms? That God even HAS human characteristics, come on, if we were made in his image we'd each have a universe of our own...

If anyone else has anything to say about this, feel free,
Wick

[Gen-X]

Um Sam? Where is Jealousy????


Envy and Jealousy are 2 different things.


Jealousy is the fear of being supplanted (ie afraid of not having the highest position such as a wife's partner)

While Envy is the desire to have the possessions of another


That is why God is a jealous God... because he doesn't want anyone else worshiped above him (jealous)... but he certainly isn't envious of others.



Hehehhe... THough I loved your 7 deadly sins ;-)


I read somewhere recently that each sin was related to a "demon"... I can't put which one to which demon but I know "Satan" was next to "Lust" and that on the list were Beelzebub and a few others.

To counter this there are 4 Chaste Virtues which the Chritian belief expanded to 7 (So they were just as many as the sins)...

The funny thing is that the 3 "Virtues" Christianity added were :

Faith
Believe me without evidence and you are virtuous

Hope
Yeah I know it looks bad but still blindly follow or you are not virtuous

Charity
You got it... keep giving me (the church) all your money and you will STILL be virtuous

[Sam Finch]

Point taken, my word power isn't great, anyway if praise can be considered as a possession of a god then my argument still stands.

about the deamons, Bealzzibub literally translated is Lord of the Flies, which means it's probably sloth. (for some reason we studied that F***ing book to oblivion in English lessons rather than learning what different words meant)

[HaxSoft]

Two things:

1) We seem to really need a religion forum here.
2) Religion is dangerous... we are all right and we are all wrong. That is why we have so many wars.

My suggestion is "think for yourself but don't judge other people." If you run into trouble, walk away.

[Sam Finch]

everyone will get bored of the religious arguments soon, when they realise they're not going anywhere.

[Gen-X]

One thing I keep asking myself is why it doesn't go anywhere.


Surely with a group of reasonable people a conclusion can be reached where there is enough evidence that will suggest whether something is true or not.... or that a complete lack of evidence will indicate more research is required.


Then I realise that one side of this "argument" doesn't care about evidence... that they infact are told to believe WITHOUT such evidence is a virtue and it becomes obvious that even if they were presented with evidence that unaquivicably proved there was no supreme being they would STILL choose to believe it.

The counter to this however is that if they presented evidence that unaquivicably proved there WAS a supreme being, those of us who did not believe this WOULD in fact now believe.

Perhaps this highlights the difference in the sides.


Still the question remains... even knowing that one side will never see any different regardless of what they are presented, why then do we continue to keep bringing up topics and keep trying to present this evidence over and over again?

I know for me personally I hate injustice and I hate ignorance and I just can't help myself but try and rectify it when I am able to and this medium gives me the chance to rectify this... The fact that the topic is something that can cause serious harm to people if taken to an extreme only makes it more of an injustice in my eyes.

(To verify the last statement think about religions where they stop their sick children from seeking medical assistance because they "believe" their God will heal them)


I guess I just have this big glaring character flaw that makes me jump in every time I see something where I think it is fueled by a lack of knowledge and an unwillingness to attain that knowledge.


A rod for my own back ;)

[HarryW]

Yes, it's a fair point about the medical restrictions that can cause harm. I think it's Jehova's Witnesses that practise that way, and probably some cults. Mind you, you could say Jehova's Witnesses were cultists, they do seem to be a bit odd. There's a Jehova's Witness building in my town, and it's covered in steel bars. I always winder if it's to keep them in or us out ;)

[HarryW]

Well yes, technically they are. Most people prefer to use the word 'sect' I think. In the general use of the word I think cult has a different, undocumented meaning though, 'cult' is far more expressive than 'sect', people interpret the two very differently.