plenderj should love this one

[kleinma]

President Bush to discuss Iraq war with British Prime Minister Tony Blair at meeting in Northern Ireland next week.

[Memnoch1207]

I will be looking for Plenderj in the background wearing a VBForums.com T-shirt and yelling anti-war slogans....

[NotLKH]

-You've got to admit, jamie is NOT like whats'er name, er, ummmmm, honeybrat, err bee, yeah, honeybee!

HB is pissed that the US doesn't side with them, and use our fly off the handle super power against Isreal, so when we do use it against someone who isn't there target, HB bitches and moans how we aren't "fair". Of course, then that means if we did use our incredible powers against Indias chosen nemises, then they'd have no problem whatsoever with Us and Iraq. Totally inconsistent.



James actually seems to be useing his conscious and intelligence.

I prefer plenderj.

;)
-Lou

[Pc_Madness]

Haha, Jamie has hacked NotLKH's account. :D

Change the password on him Jamie, he was getting annoying. ;)

[plenderj]

kleinma: That'll be Blair's attempt to prove that Europe knows a lot more about terrorism than the US and that we shouldn't be ignored.

Terrorism is an everyday normal thing in Northern Ireland.
That should shock mr.wannabe cowboy.


Memnoch: Booyeah ;)

NotLKHL: I love you too dear ;)

PC: ;)

[chenko]

Originally posted by plenderj

Terrorism is an everyday normal thing in Northern Ireland.
That should shock mr.wannabe cowboy.


Bush: Really? Lets bomb someone then, who can be responsible, ah, lets say its Korera

Not far of a reaction from him :p

[DeadEyes]

Blair is taking Bush to the North so he can see what Iraq is going to be like for the US.
When the war is over and things die down the bombers will make their move.

[MerrionComputin]

I hope that this is taking place in Belfast to underline the commitment to ending terrorism by all means - including those that don't involve Tomahawks.

Although the peace process in the North is a long way from perfect I think that it should still be held as a model which could be applied in Isreral/Palestine as well.

[Arc]

Isreal owes the palastinians nothing. Do a little history research and you will see. IMO The palistinians should just assimilate and become Isrealy citizens and live in peace. It's not like Isreal is saying they can't be free democratic people.. it's the palistinians that are saying they don't want to be! Why? well becasue they are racist pigs. They can't stand the idea of an Isrealy state. They would destroy Isreal the first chance they got.

[Pc_Madness]

I was under the impression that it was the Palastinian's land first, and that Israel invaded them for it. :confused:

[DeadEyes]

Originally posted by Arc
Isreal owes the palastinians nothing. Do a little history research and you will see. IMO The palistinians should just assimilate and become Isrealy citizens and live in peace. It's not like Isreal is saying they can't be free democratic people.. it's the palistinians that are saying they don't want to be! Why? well becasue they are racist pigs. They can't stand the idea of an Isrealy state. They would destroy Isreal the first chance they got.
Well done Arc in one paragraph you've manage to make yourself sound like a fool.

[nishantp]

Originally posted by Arc
Isreal owes the palastinians nothing. Do a little history research and you will see. IMO The palistinians should just assimilate and become Isrealy citizens and live in peace. It's not like Isreal is saying they can't be free democratic people.. it's the palistinians that are saying they don't want to be! Why? well becasue they are racist pigs. They can't stand the idea of an Isrealy state. They would destroy Isreal the first chance they got. Its you who should do some research. I don't agree with the path that the palestinians have taken, nor do I agree with the Isreali policy of bulldozing houses etc...all they're doing is rubbing salt in a wound.

The feelings run deep in that region, and you don't even try to see both sides of the issue. The whole Isreali/Palestinian situation in your mind can be summarized by the Palestinians trying to destroy Isreal. Great. You're so well informed.

[Arc]

Read this and tell me who was there first and who has rights to the land.

http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/infidels_bunker/other/palestine101-1.htm

here's a nice little snippet from it.


JAFFA—Have you heard the one about Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Chairman Yasir Arafat finally sitting down to negotiate? Sharon opened with a "biblical" tale.
"Before the Israelites came to the Promised Land and settled here, Moses led them for 40 years through the desert. One day, miraculously, a stream appeared. They drank and then decided to bathe. When Moses came out of the water, he found all his clothes missing.

" 'Who took my clothes?' Moses asked. 'It was the Palestinians,' replied the Israelites."

"Wait a minute," interrupted Arafat. "There were no Palestinians during the time of Moses!"

"All right," smirked Sharon, "now that we've got that settled, let's start talking."

[Arc]

Originally posted by Pc_Madness
I was under the impression that it was the Palastinian's land first, and that Israel invaded them for it. :confused:

Yah, that's the "impression" they want you to get, but history tells the truth.

[nishantp]

Originally posted by Arc
Read this and tell me who was there first and who has rights to the land.

http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/infidels_bunker/other/palestine101-1.htm

here's a nice little snippet from it. Who was there first is of little importance now. That won't bring peace. Understanding will. Taking a one sided approach on this issue is pointless. The Isrealies are sitting on the most fought-over piece of real estate on earth. Them being right or wrong won't change that.

[Arc]

Isreal had made efforts to create a Palestinian state.. they offered the west bank, the Gaza strip and half of jeruselum, but the Palestinians don't want it. The only thing they will ever be happy with is the Jews completely leaving and giving it all to them, which we know will never happen as along as America backs Isreal(as we should).

Ask yourslef why that land is so faught over.... In the 19 years that Egypt and Jordan owned the West Bank and Gaza Strip there were no cries for a palestinian state, it wasn't until Isreal; was attacked again and they took those peices of land that it was all of a sudden Desired property. It's not like that land is rich in oil. It has no value to speak of, it's merely the fact that the Jews own it is why there's such an uproar.


It's basically like there being a Jewish state in the Middle of Germany during WWII. Isreal is surrounded by people who absolutely can not stand Jews.

[DeadEyes]

Well the Zionist propaganda machine is on a roll here. That angelfire link :rolleyes: you might as well have asked that war criminal Sharon for a history lesson. Use proper links to back up your statements:
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ngo/history.html
http://www.mideastweb.org/nutshell.htm

Please explain to me why Europeans had the right to expel arabs from the land they where living on to take it for themselves. If you steal people's land they will fight to get it back. Not because of their nationality or religion but because you stole what belonged to them.

[MerrionComputin]

but history tells the truth

History is a lie commonly believed - Voltaire

[Arc]

Originally posted by DeadEyes
Well the Zionist propaganda machine is on a roll here. That angelfire link :rolleyes: you might as well have asked that war criminal Sharon for a history lesson. Use proper links to back up your statements:
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ngo/history.html
http://www.mideastweb.org/nutshell.htm

Please explain to me why Europeans had the right to expel arabs from the land they where living on to take it for themselves. If you steal people's land they will fight to get it back. Not because of their nationality or religion but because you stole what belonged to them.


Umm your first link says exactly the same thing the link i posted says, except it conveniently left off the fact that it was Isreal that was Attacked by all it's neigbhors in both of those wars and it sort of tries to imply that Isreal started the war so it could have the land. Which is total B.S., That right there tells me that "your" links are biased against Isreal.


The fact remains that Isreal was there first and they were expelled. From Before WWI - WWII the jews began to come back to thier homeland. The U.N. gave a very small slice of land to Isreal as a home country. All of Isreals neighors couldn't stand that so they attacked Isreal, but suprise suprise Isreal kicked all of thier asses and took a bit of thier land:D This happend again 19 years later and Isreal again won in 6 Days and took even more land. These were 2 defensive wars that Isreal gained land in, they deserve that land and NEED that land to help protect itself from it's neighbors that have shown time and again that they will Attack Isreal at the drop of a hat.

Don't fool yourself that it's about the land, it's about Jews Owning the land. If All that land was owned by Egypt or Jordan there wouldn't be a word said about it by any palestinian.

[DeadEyes]

The first link is from the UN so I don't know how it could be biased
You say Israel was there first and they were expelled? Where are you getting this from the bible?


The standard Zionist position is that they showed up in Palestine in the late 19th century to reclaim their ancestral homeland. Jews bought land and started building up the Jewish community there. They were met with increasingly violent opposition from the Palestinian Arabs, presumably stemming from the Arabs' inherent anti-Semitism. The Zionists were then forced to defend themselves and, in one form or another, this same situation continues up to today.

The problem with this explanation is that it is simply not true, as the documentary evidence in this booklet will show. What really happened was that the Zionist movement, from the beginning, looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the indigenous Arab population so that Israel could be a wholly Jewish state, or as much as was possible. Land bought by the Jewish National Fund was held in the name of the Jewish people and could never be sold or even leased back to Arabs (a situation which continues to the present).

The Arab community, as it became increasingly aware of the Zionists' intentions, strenuously opposed further Jewish immigration and land buying because it posed a real and imminent danger to the very existence of Arab society in Palestine. Because of this opposition, the entire Zionist project never could have been realized without the military backing of the British. The vast majority of the population of Palestine, by the way, had been Arabic since the seventh century A.D. (Over 1200 years)


the above quote is taken from "Jews for Justice in the Middle East" and can be found
here (http://www.wrmea.com/jews_for_justice/index.html)

[Arc]

Aparently you didn't actually read the link i posted earlier:rolleyes: