Dudes, which programming language is worth learning?

[PiKaPrO]

Hey guys,
I always have this unanswered question in mind. What programming language is worth learning? You see, learning VB is good but it can only create applications for Windoze. I wanna know which programming language is really worth learning, any suggestions?

[Iain17]

Ask a Cilly Question. ;)

Oh yes the Windoze line. I hear it all the time from the Apple fraternity...who still caren't get a LAN right.

Go off and learn C++, which will run on Apple OS and Linux and Unix,if your good enough to understand the OS calls

Leave immediatly...then the rest of us can get on with developing real world applications for the 90% of business that use WINDOWS....

[noone]

He's right about learning C++ and while your at it do yourself a favour and make sure you learn Java. The future doesn't look good for Windows as king of the hill, and Java works nicely with servers, embeded devices and smart cards.

[PiKaPrO]

Originally posted by Jethro



Leave immediatly...then the rest of us can get on with developing real world applications for the 90% of business that use WINDOWS....





You're wrong dude, who says I'm a hater of Windoze? You can jolly well **** off and ***! To be able to distribute your software to various OS platform is a good thing.

I have nothing to say dude. VB is good but is unable to support other OS platforms.

[parksie]

Um...actually VB does run on macs, if you use the embedded version build into Office 98. Otherwise, use VB. Anyway, macs are painful to develop for...what kind of computer DOESN'T have a command line? Windows has one, Unix has one, BBCs were completely command-based! It's still the most effective way of writing and testing code.

[Nathan]

Java is platform independant and a java program can run in windows, mac, linux, unix etc... it works a lot like C/C++ and its easy to learn. It can be used for web and application development.

[parksie]

Yeah, it's great. I've been using it quite a bit recently, and finding it damn easy. Performance was poor, but HotSpot (now built into J2 1.3) absolutely BURNS along.

[noone]

Parksie,
Have you been able to test HotSpot? I have high hopes for that and I'd love to know what it works like. I've unfortunatley had to take some time off from Java and been doing a lot of VB lately, but I hope to get elbow deep in Java soon.

[parksie]

Yes. A fairly bog-standard string processing list with about 12000 items:

With HotSpot: 1.4s
Without: 8.6s

Good enough for you? :)

[noone]

Wow, I think I've found something better then sex.

Which Java do ya suggest. We get Borlands...version 2, and even the simple demos wouldn't run without version 1 being downloaded. What a load of crap...

Which is the best version of Java to use??????

As to any one who calls windows...windoze...go back to your mac. l get this all the time from our two mac guys. They should ask themselves why only two mac guys are employed.:):):):):):):

Whats the difference between SDK and JRE. Me and another guy have just jumped ship to form our own company, and will need a copy of Java which can be loaded and used on Wintel machines. Only have three at the moment connected using Win98...but moving to get an NT server.

What brand would your choice be, and what other secret little add ons would we need to produce codez to move over to apple desktops etc.

Thanks in Advance

[noone]

The acronyms tell all
JRE = Java Runtime Environment
SDK = Software Devolopment Kit

the JRE has everything needed to run compiled Java programs but thats it, the SDK is for devolopers and has the compiler, debugger and various other tools. 1.3 is still in beta I believe and therefore you can only get it from sun
http://www.javasoft.com

[parksie]

1.3 just came out of beta, and I have it (it's good, stable, and a buttload faster, as mentioned above)

[gekko5]

Basic/vb is supported in macs through a wonderful proggy called real basic.. Check it out. IF you have a mac you can develope your appin a near identical to vb ide and the program will create the distributable application in both mac readable and pc readable format!!! It great and works great. You can even import vb files to it!!! My head hurts from its wonderfullness..See I am talking gibberish

[kb244]

I havent read most of the responses above, but if you want a Truely universal language, learn java, its a compile once, then it'll run on any machine with a Java VM, also learn C++ (make sure its the standard, not some IDE specific), since if you learn C++ you can learn just about any other language (C++ covers almost all the concepts a programming language is capable of)

[kb244]

C# havent heard a think, I know C++ been out for about a decade now, and its a major language, where did you hear about C# I doubt its going to be the next big thing if I havent heard any previews in most of the online news about it yet.

[kb244]

Oh yea, I remeber that somewhere, M$ is trying to make a universal platform language, chances are they might not succeed much, it's almost based on VB in some cases, and like Java you need a Microsoft Virtual machine.

[parksie]

C# (God, what a name) is supposed to be M$'s language-of-choice for development on their new thing: Microsoft.NET (I think...). It's supposed to be like C++, but with extensions to make it much easier to get into COM, which I suppose could be useful. I just wish M$ would stop randomly creating programming languages which are similar to established (and useful) ones. VB is okay because it's derived from BG's first product.

[noone]

I've read a few reviews of C# and I was understanding that it would only work on MS products, not be universal. Microsoft sems to deny that C# is targeted as a Java replacement but it sure seems like thats what they are doing. It includes features to make C++ easier to use such as garbage collection. (ahem already in Java) An internal report circulated through Microsoft a few years ago discussed the possiblily of creating a Java like language that would be controlled by MS.

[parksie]

Was that Cool?

[noone]

COOL seemed very similar to this too, but it seems to have died a quiet death.
This is what I was reading I believe:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/20000622/tc/microsoft_brewing_java-like_language_3.html

[catocom]

It seems to me you can program just about anything
in Assembly language, but it would take forever.
Definitly worth learning I still am.

VB seems to be about the fastest to program.
That why I like it, plus I'm a big windows fan
and think Bill G hung the moon.

And if you can combine the two, that awesome!

[Edited by catocom on 07-03-2000 at 05:00 AM]