New program idea for VB developers!

[REM]

Wouldn't it be good if there was a program like Napster that allowed VB developers to share VB Code with each other? It would be excellent! You could just do a search on a subject and instantly have access to loads of source code that other developers have chosen to share from their HD!

Is anyone else out there interested in helping with the development of such a program? Post a reply if you're interested... :D As I definately am :)

Laterz

REM

[Razzle]

I am, too!! but there's one very important problem left to consider...
we would need a Server where we could run a program. Do you know where to get something like that?

Just use planet-source-code.com to find code. It's full of different kinds of code.

[REM]

I know we would need a sort of server to run the service on, and I have absolutely no clue whatsoever about setting this up or how to find one:( If you are reading this and know what we would need, then please reply and point us in the right direction :)

Making the app wouldn't be too much of a problem, we just need to get the server side thing going on...

Laterz

REM

[JasonGS]

I think that it would be cool, but the napster approach is kind of goofy. A message board is probably the best place for code, or maybe like a web database where you post keywords and code then people can search through that by language and what not.

We could have volunteers who have cable/dsl/t1/t3 lines who could just host a server on their computers when they're not using it, and let the program get the list of servers from a website online (a text file) and try and connect to servers which are by the way interconnected with the other servers and they can share codes... if someone acctually starts this project, count me in, I have a whole thing setup in my mind where we can have a really good server/client system...

[REM]

I hear what you're saying Mega, but it would be so much better to have this Napster type app going on! Think about it... Most of the code on Planet Source code is of a very poor standard (u know it is the truth:)). Check out the sample below:


'Produces a msg box! :D :D :D
'Add a button named Command1 to a form
'and run the program and click the button...
Private Sub Command1_Click()
Msgbox("Hello World!")
End Sub


Anyway, away from all the jokes... With this vb napster type app, we could set the standard for code samples, that would be available anywhere, anytime by searching a database of trusted sources of source code (members HD samples)!

The app would provide a direct and efficient way for developers to quickly find the professional standard code they need...

We can make this into something good... Lets do it...

Laterz

REM

[REM]

WildGhost, I think it would be better if we had a fixed server. We wouild need to get some ££££ together to set it up, but in the long run, i believe it would be worth the investment if enough people were interested in the service! Come on people! Show an interest! It could be so good! just think about it, all the quality code you ever wanted access to, that is only a click away on a reliable server! No more poor quality samples and broken links on web sites!

If you would be interested in using an app like this, then please reply. I would like to know how many people would appreciate a service like this. Thanks.

Laterz

REM

:) :) :) :) :)

[fallnwrld]

Why dont you get a T1 connection and we just run off your bandwidth all day long hehehe. Serious though that is a cool idea, maybe if any of you attend college's and universitys they leave the cpu's up all night. Run proggie from there.

[REM]

Maybe we could set this thing up in a partenership with the best resource for VB Developers on the Net, VB World!? The program could be kind of a pertenership with VB World. It would be the ULTIMATE resource. John, what do you think of this idea? :) The app could be called VB World-Dev-Res(Developer Resource Network :)). Any other ideas for names?!?!

I don't know about anyone else, but i certainly can't afford to set up my own server and all the stuff that goes with it(I am 16, and I aint got a job or owt, let alone the experience in setting up web based servers etc etc!)

The idea for a partenership with VB World is a good one. The ultimate web site for developers, running the ultimate developers resource, designed by the developers that will utilise it! Wicked...

Anyway, I know it will take a lot of work, and I have no idea of the cost that it would involve, but it could be good if we could try (interested people)... John, what is your opinion on this subject?

Laterz

REM

[rbenfield25]

Oh, No, but if you do that then the big bad greedy Codetaliica, Inc. will come chasing after everyone and sue us all for everything we are worth.

hehehe, sorry could not help myself, if you didnt get it, just ignore it.

Anyway, sounds like a great idea. Why don't you do it in stages. You could start off with the client piece that catalogs and indexes your own code clips that you have collected. Then you could add the user sharing and searching later.

Again, Good Idea.
Hey maybe the app could keep up with the original author information too so that they get proper credit and if you find some good authors you will know their code is worth downloading.

Good Luck,
Richard

The VB-world-Dev-Res sounds like a good idea. But it might be quite difficult to program all of this. Sure it looks easy from far away, but as you get closer, you will get into more problems.

[REM]

Hmmm. Metalicca... Say no more m8, I hear ya loud and clear, and from what my mate tells me, it isn't just Metallica getting pissed at Napster, it is Dr. Dre as well. My mate was banned for downloading one of his latest songs over the Napster network! Jeez!

Anyway, we shouldn't have any trouble like that, as any code that is submited to the network will be public domain - or we could sort something else out :) :) :) We need to look into it etc.

I am now working on a program for indexing sample code on my local machine, when this is finished, i will add some internet support and then hopefully develop the app further... :) I am aware tat some other people have coded code sample indexers, but i want to do this from scratch, I don't want to take someone elses project onboard. I like learning by doing if you know what i mean :)

Anyway, if you're interested in this topic POST! And tell me your opinion! Johnh, whatta ya think?!?!?

Laterz

REM

I'm on cable, if we can't find a server, I might be able to host the server for a while, the reason I said that we should have a couple of servers is for example, there could be servers on different computers in different parts of the world, and the program would ping the server to see which one it connects to faster and connects to that one, also all the main servers will be conected to each other.. let me give you an example of what I'm saying, this is just for the beginning if we get someone to host the server, then that would be great.. but here's what I'm saying..

I start a server, and the server writes the Ip address to a text file on a webserver (using ftp) then this other guy stars a server, and that server adds it's IP to the text file then connects to the servers (on a special server port) using the IPs that are in the text files, and now they're all connected, now this guy turns his client on, and the client connects to the webserver and retrieves the list of IPs and connects to the one that's closest to it, or inother words has the smallest ping time.. and then when you search for codes, you can specify whether to only search for codes using the server that's the user is connected to or to search all the servers, now you can also ask the other server to search for that special code and so forth.. I know that this sounds complicated, but it can work... Ofcourse nothing would beat a T3 server that everyone would connect to.... any more ideas on how we could make servers interact with clients or anything?

[REM]

Megatron - I like a challenge :D :D :D

Laterz

REM

REM, how about you just create a team of developers, a couple of them who are good at different things like databases, internet protocols etc... and then begin on this project, and present a demo to vb-world, and see if they accept it, and give us the go on developing this application.
So first thing we make a team, and I'm available for programming here, if you're making a team, then count me in, I have experience in the winscock/inet controls... I could also use directX's Direct Play....

What do you say?

Well if you decide to create it, I could try helping out a bit...

[AndyC]

I could host one but:

1) I need dough (i will need to buy a 10 gig hd, a cd-rom, and some mem)
2) My server would need a max of about 50 people and it couldn't be taking up tons of bandwith and such, this would only be on 0.2 Meg cable :) along with a hub for direct connect and my name server :)
That's about it so if i get the dough and like i said in #2...

Andy

[DiGiTaIErRoR]

I don't mean to sound offensive. Napster sucks though. The best thing to do would be to make a web database with not exactly source code. It'd be better to make it code to do certain functions. Like: the winsock functions to do a chat program, API calls to do various things, stuff like that. It's better for obvious reasons.
1. Not dependent on users on/off-line.
2. Have people to review code for errors and bad code.
3. Web-servers are more reliable than Napster/chat type.
4. More bandwidth. Like cable d/ling off 56k would be slow.
Plus more.
With my own experience I like to learn how to program the code from scratch, not just copy & paste it.

[JasonGS]

thats what I tried to say... if I want to find some code on how to get the windows version, I dont want to have to depend on if YOURm0m is online...

[Gary.Lowe]

To everyone

Why couldn't anyone of us just join a ISP which offers unlimited web space design a simply web site with a database to hold all this type of info. Evryone could share access to update it then.

I work for a large utilities company in England. We had a similar idea.

We decided to create DLL's stick them in a central location and provided a basic web document detailing how the dll works, how to use it and provide the source code as well.

This has started to make developing very easy now as all you have to do is reference the dll and use it.

This way you don't have as much code to produce, and any help needed with should be in the document or a link to the person who developed it.

Hmmm

Gazza

[Razzle]

I think it would be possible to use an FTP Server to store
the user informations.. but it would be VERY slow.
if we'd use an FTP Server this would be my idea:

Every client loggs into the FTP Server at startup, creating a directory with the username as directoryname. Then the client appends the 'topics' of the shared code sources to a file and creates a file for each topic, containing a little description, entered by the User.
If someone starts a search, the client retrieves the folder list and looks what's in them and lists the topics. If the user clicks a topic, he gets the description. If he chooses to dl it, the client connectes to the IP of the user providing the stuff (could be stored in the Userinfo file).


Anyway, a real Server would be MUCH better

[HeSaidJoe]

...Napster sucks in the fact that the same song is listed & relisted and relisted!

Who decides who is really the originator of code tips?
I've been on sites where you see the same code posted under different names with
"this code is copyrighted by me..you are free to use...."

I've seen some who claim authorship of "Unload All Forms" or other basic VB Functions.

oodles and ooldles of similar code with 200,000,000 self claimed authors....

.....nice thought but it needs thinking!

[PsyVision]

I am interested in this project, i'm new to net stuff in vb and want to learn, i don't have much cash but, for the server i know one that could be good :

http://www.easyspace.co.uk they offer the following for about £70.00 for a .co.uk adress:

Web hosting
Web registration
Redirection

And some more, or you could try

http://www.webnetics.co.uk they offer the some good stuff for £40.00 for a .co.uk / .com address for 2 years.

Check these....

[REM]

I agree that the program needs a lot of thought, but I am definately going to try to set this idea up. After monday the 19th June, I am off school for the summer for about 2 1/2 months, so I will be able to really work on the project.

First off, I will develop a code organising app for searching local HD folders and files, browsing files by subject etc...

After this it needs some thought. I agree on the subject of people re-submiting code and calling it their own. How could we get past this? I think that an FTP site that is moderated by a group of us would be the best idea, it would also save a lot of trouble with implementing users on a server, getting clients to connect to the server, then to another client.... yada yada... :)

If you want in on the project, then please post with any expertise that you can offer :D :D :D WildGhost, i take it you're in on the project then? :)

Also, if you don't want in on the project development side of things, then please can you speak out on what type of features you would want in this app? Such as search for, subject areas (API, Network, Beginner) etc. Downloads, articles and tutorials etc.

HeSaidJoe, The project will be a kind of 'moderated' planet source code, so that a group of us can filter out the **** that gets submitted (take not planet source code, you should do this (filter)):) :) :)

Laterz

REM

[PsyVision]

I'm at school as well, in 6 weeeks i have 6 weeks off to develope, how about an xoom.com acount - free unlimited space and good speed ??. Check it

[REM]

I'd prefer to steer clear of 'freebie' web server accounts. If i make this into something good and proper, it will be a professional tool for developers, and I think I probably would splash out and BUY myself some reliable, high-bandwidth server space from a reliable company :)

Anywayz, we have a long way to go in developing this app, but when it is finished, it will rule!

Laterz

REM

We could use Xoom until we have raised enough money to make our own server.

[kevin77]

I have thought about this idea before and believe that the best solution is to urge the developers of Napster to change there program into a complete Internet file sharing system. Not only could this help to solve our problem, but it would solve some of their problems as well because they would then be able to argue that their program is a file sharing system and if people share .mp3 files, they can't do anything about it. That would help to get a lot of people off their back.

[CreepingDeath]

I like fallnwrld's idea about using university resources. I am not sure how much bandwidth it would suck up, but I am sure it can't be a whole hell of a lot for simple code snippets. The university shouldn't have a problem with that. Especially the big ones. I know that the University of Michigan has all kinds of bandwidth. Each hall of every dorm is equipped with an OC-12. The server could have full speed 100BaseT all the time. There have to be some people here that attend there or somewhere like it. Then we just need to come up with a dedicated server to stick in the corner of someone's dorm room. =)

-CD

[PsyVision]

Getting napster to change their product or to bring out a new one could go bad:

A. The program is not how we want it
B. Could be hard work to get them into doing it
C. It's personal to us and is something we can be proud of

I agree about the server, you could use xoom until you get a decen one.

next, about making it (if we do) we could have certain people doing certain doing certain jobs or we could all design the layout each and then we assign a BOSS and that person(s) will pick ones that are good and put the ideas into one, we could also take screenshots of our layouts and stick them on a free web (TEMP) account we could have for temp files, chat and other utils. This will be GOOD if we work together !

[PsyVision]

Oh yeah, one other thing. If we are all on the net or most one night we could have an e-mail ring/website which gives an I.P. address that we can all use to meet up on a chat program. I have a good chat program we could use that is Fox's with a nifty skin so it looks cool, howz bout it ?

http://www.members.xoom.com/psyvision

Screenshot soon.

[REM]

I certainly don't think the best solution would be to get napster to change their program into a complete internet file sharing utility! :O What would we do? One of the reasons I want to make this program is so that I gain valuable experience in programming with VB. That's the fun about it.

The universities could be a good idea if they area as reliable as you say. I'm gonna work on some shell GUI's later this week and may get some screen shots of what i propose the app to look like soon :D :D :D

Shall we have a project Web site? PsyVision, we could use your Xoom account for the moment. The chat thing would also be a good idea. Lets sort it out, like when we can meet on the net to chat etc. I am based in the UK so my timezone is GMT +00 hours.

Laterz

REM

[Fox]

Hm, your URl doesn't exist...

[AndyC]

You want a good file sharing program get direct connect. it's written in VB i think and lets you share any files. go to : vandal405.hypermart.net it's packed with warez and mp3s by the way

Andy

[PiKaPrO]

Don't create a napster-like program. I hate Napster!!!! :rolleyes:

I think we should create a program that lets the user connect to a website, download a file (the database), then do offline searches. Of course, the search results will contain the URL to the source code snippet. Then the program will have a function that fires up IE or Netscape upon clicking on the link. From the site itself, the user can view the code. Of course, it would be best if there's a downloadable example of the code snippet.

So far, I am trying to say we create a LiveUpdate-like proggie. (LiveUpdate's from Symantec if you do not know :p)
Hope this suggestion helps! PiKa!

P.S: We can always seek help from VB-World.Net and the 'infamous' Microsoft! :rolleyes:

[Edited by PiKaPrO on 06-07-2000 at 07:35 PM]

But downloading the file might not have enough information. Besides the title, we need more information about the code.

[Sophtware]

I didt have the time too read each reply so i am just gonna tell you guys.
There is a program out already called "wrapster" and with it you can trade all kinds of files..not just mp3.And i have seen stuff like "visual basic studio" and "teach yourself visual basic in 21 days" am sure it would be no problem to trade code on it...but ..once you downlaod any files you need the "wrapster" program to extract it..but the place i got it from was takin off line for having "the wrong stuff" in it's files.So if you are interested in getting this program email me Grey989822386@aol.com.Also
for anyone who is interested in getting rid of that crappy ban that napster put on user's..here is what you need to delete from your registry

Manual Instructions, just in case this fix doesn't work:
First Uninstall Napster using their Uninstall Program, delete the Napster program folders and reboot.

On Win2k - Login as Administrator or someone with Administrative rights.

Then run REGEDIT and do a search for the following 3 strings and delete the keys that show up:
35D38C13-1434-AB7E-003483943341AA
A1AD8C13-1383-5343-DCC38E43FF0AAE
CAD8C813-1F34-1B3E-00CEAE43FF0AAD

In Win9x you should find 4 instances for each string, in Win2k you should find 5 instances of each string. If you have uninstalled Napster using the Add/Remove Programs then also search the Registry for Napster and delete any keys that show up. Once you delete those registry keys just reinstall Napster and login and create a new account. If you use your old one you will have to start over from scratch.


Explanation of how the ban works:

When you log in with an account that is to be banned Napster makes a couple of registry entries for you. The ones I have found are listed below. This definately works for Windows 95 and 98. With the new ones I just found it appears to work with Win98SE. You cannot use the INF for Win2k, but there are instructions below for doing it manually.

Registry Keys it makes for Win9x:

HKey_Classes_Root\CLSID\
{CAD8C813-1F34-1B3E-00CEAE43FF0AAD}
{35D38C13-1434-AB7E-003483943341AA}
{A1AD8C13-1383-5343-DCC38E43FF0AAE}
HKey_CurrentUuser\Software\CLASSES\CLSID\
{35D38C13-1434-AB7E-003483943341AA}
{A1AD8C13-1383-5343-DCC38E43FF0AAE}
{CAD8C813-1F34-1B3E-00CEAE43FF0AAD}
HKey_Local_Machine\Software\CLASSES\CLSID\
{35D38C13-1434-AB7E-003483943341AA}
{A1AD8C13-1383-5343-DCC38E43FF0AAE}
{CAD8C813-1F34-1B3E-00CEAE43FF0AAD}
HKey_Users\.Default\Software\CLASSES\CLSID\
{35D38C13-1434-AB7E-003483943341AA}
{A1AD8C13-1383-5343-DCC38E43FF0AAE}
{CAD8C813-1F34-1B3E-00CEAE43FF0AAD}


Instead of the HKey_Users\.Default Win2k does the following:

HKey_Users\S-1-5-21-2000478354-1563985344-1343024091-500\Software\Classes\CLSID\
{35D38C13-1434-AB7E-003483943341AA}
{A1AD8C13-1383-5343-DCC38E43FF0AAE}
{CAD8C813-1F34-1B3E-00CEAE43FF0AAD}
HKey_Users\S-1-5-21-2000478354-1563985344-1343024091-500_Classes\CLSID\
{35D38C13-1434-AB7E-003483943341AA}
{A1AD8C13-1383-5343-DCC38E43FF0AAE}
{CAD8C813-1F34-1B3E-00CEAE43FF0AAD}

(the "S-1-5-21-2000....." number will be different on every Win2k Machine)



And i know this is a programing site and not a hacking site..but i figured it could help anyway.

[Sacofjoea]

what does that have to do with hacking?

[PsyVision]

Sorry goto:

http://members.xoom.com/PsyVision/vb-world/index.htm

This is a dodgy connection so if you can get on, av a look

[REM]

PsyVision mate, the page you specify is down at the moment. See what i was saying about freebie web accounts :D

Anyway, how old are ya, and where are ya besed (country wise, i aint asking for a specific street address :))

when i get the time in a few eeks I will make a proper project web site for this thing. Wicked.

Laterz

REM

p.s. I really think we should arrange to chat somewhere sometime, as this thread is getting quite long... :)

[PsyVision]

Sorry Guys,

I'm Richard Caunt from England U.K. running on G.M.T +00 hours, i'm 14 years old.

The web site for me is at:

http://psyvision.members.easyspace.com/

And for the chat picture and link(Friday):

http://psyvision.members.easyspace.com/vb-world/index.htm

This should work but is new so the server has to register it.

[PsyVision]

http://psyvision.members.easyspace.com/index.htm

Sos

Or why don't we ask John if we can keep it on Vb-world?

[PsyVision]

Have you asked, when shall we meet for a chat ?

Nope haven't asked, but I will now.

John, do you want to do this idea?

[PsyVision]

Thats very good, but you have to say it to him!

[HeSaidJoe]

there is another...imesh.com...kind of dumpy site...deals with apps and whatevers..movies...porn...not a recommendation but it's the same deal as Napster..share files...instead of having files too large to email you upload them and people share them....you might want to look at it to see what you might come up against.

[PsyVision]

when we meet ?

so what have you guys decided upon?

[PsyVision]

I'm trying to arrange a chat but no one is ever on, goto:

http://psyvision.members.easyspace.com/vb-world/index.htm

And get the chat software, client, then we have to meet up

Sorry I didn't weigh in earlier, I've been out of town. I
hate to be another one against this project because I would
like to encourage code sharing as well.

BUT, let's look at how Napster works:
When it enocounters a song on your computer, it checks the
database on Napster to see if the song exists. If it does,
then it adds your machine as a possible host for this song.
If the song does not exist, then it is added to the Napster
database with your machine as the only host (thus giving
many multiple entries when titles don't exactly match.)

Now, consider what you're proposing:
You want to share many lines of code, EACH LINE HAVING
INFORMATION THAT COULD BE A POSSIBLE SEARCH KEY. Say for
example you searched for a code snippet on using the
GetDeviceCaps API call. Presumably, you'd want to find
any example which used it, not just ones called
"GetDeviceCaps example" or something similar.

Here's the point:
What you really want to do is a full-text search of the
available code so that the user can not only locate the
string GetDeviceCaps, but can locate it in the proper
context.

So:
If you're going to set up a server which is running a
full-text catalog of all this code on all of our machines,
then it is already housing the full-text of the code! No
need to go look for it on our individual machines to
complete the transaction. (This, of course, is just a
web-based code warehouse).

Still with me?:
Let me make an analogy to Napster, which is where we started
this discussion in the first place. What you're proposing
to do is NOT as similar to Napster as it seems. You're not
just asking "Find a machine with Layla on it"; instead your
asking "Find that cool piano solo in E-flat which is about
two minutes long in a classic rock song". The server could
answer the first one using a catalog. To answer the second,
it would need to have the actual song.

One more thing:
Don't forget, one of the main motivations for the
architecture that Napster used was LEGAL, not technological.
Napster wanted to be sure that music files were not being
passed directly through their servers because that would
clearly be in violation of the artist's copyrights.

If I can help then I'll help, but I think you've got some
serious issues to resolve on this one...
Thanx for listening.

John

[PsyVision]

Yeah, but what if the user removes the code from his computer

Originally posted by PsyVision
Thats very good, but you have to say it to him!

I did. Notice I said John, do you want to do this idea? But I suppose you're right. I don't think he reads these threads.

What we could do is make a program that makes databases of codes.. we can let the user download a database with the program which includes some usefull codes, and then what you could do is let the user add new code into the database and when he/she gets online, you can see what new code they have by reading the database and reading the title and description of the code from the database on their computer... I don't know if you get what I"m saying or not... if you don't understand, then I'll try to present a example...

let's say I make a directx code that changes resolution of the computer...

now I copy that code, and goto the program that REM made, and paste it there and give it a title and description and press save, and it'll save it in a predefined database, now this user goes online and while he's online you can download his snipet of code or whatever....


OK THAT IDEA IS DUMB AND STUPID! DAMN...

[PsyVision]

If useres submit their own code it should have one title to view by but then eachfile should have another .ini that has keywords of what the code is so if it saved a picture you could have keywords as

Picture
Savepicture

See ?
I think users should be able to submit their own code but for error checking and to stop them removing the code on the website for the program we could have an upload page check http://www.hypertony.co.uk for this style thing, this code then comes to us we check it through our team of members and then it gets published after we give it a suitable title so others can find it, this also stops users from putting stuff called '**** Me' etc onto the program, the app should also have a bit to show which users are online and a chat feature where you can exchange code with a special file transfer thing. there could also be admin (us) who look for twats that piss with our software.

How bout a chat sometime and get this sorted and get some ideas from our brains and into that computer ?

[gemini]

I like the ideas given here. However I have some of my own ideas also that might interest u guys.

1. We need a centralized meeting place. Like a webring with a chat room or bulletin board. Now I am sure we can find a free place for this.

2. I don't like the idea of napster or any other program that searches your hard drive. I am sure someone will shortly make another program to change napster so that people can hack your computer using it.

3. Has anyone considered going to online sources for servers and see if they want to make a deal with this group for a server.

4. I believe it would be better if we keep this mostly web based. It would make it easier to manage the codes being sent to us. It would also make it more secure against hackers on others computers.

5. Has anyone considered using CGI on a web site for a online search engine of codes. We would have to have them fill out a form for each piece of code. We would also have to have requirements on documentation and notification to the person that submitted the code on whether or not we are putting the code into the database.

6. any program that you can create and use to search hard drives would have to keep large files on that persons hard drive. this might not be a very good idea, because some a lot of people dont have very large hard drives. mine is only 1 gig and i dont have the money to upgrade.

7. I am willing to help with this program but the group will have to come to mutual understanding on the legalitiy of this so that no one gets sued years later if this does become popular.

[REM]

Hi crew, been away for a couple of days, but good to see people still interested :)

Anywayz, i just want ot make my idea for this app clear, as many people seem to have different visions of what the app is 'going' to be like...

1. The program comes in the form of a client that connects to a web database of code and gets a list of available files and articles, alternatively, the user can browse the database, looking at individual files, or downloading them when they wish. The user will also have the option of synchronising whole folders etc.

2. The code that will be featured on the archive WILL be moderated, so we don't get rubbish sample code, or repeats etc. This will ensure a quality database for serious VB Programmers.

3. All code that is submitted will be public domain. We don't even need to touch all the legal **** surrounding napster (Unless Dr. Dre and Metallica enjoy a bit of programming in VB every now and then :), in that case were screwed :))

4. The app will be in a way similar to napster, but not exact. When i initially posted the idea, i just wanted to share what i had, which is a vision of a huge database ocntaining professional searchable source code.


Anywayz, i hope this has cleared things up a little bit. BTW, we need to organise a chat sometime. Email me.

Laterz

REM

[Afterbirth]

Well its a nice idea. But if code on sites like
planet-source-code is below par and sometimes just plan wrong what would keep all the little home servers from having crap code also. And with it all spread out like that there would be no way to control the quality or validity of the code being offered. I would think a website would be the best way to go. Just a search page with a huge bank of code for download on its server. And have it so people could add there site to the search as well. And the search would go though there site as well. That way you could filter out crap at least to some extent. And to make it more handy like napster have a little app that anyone can download and use and it would search the database of the site from a local PC so you would not have to go to the site to search for code. You would not have to connect to the net but not have to open up a browser to search for the code.

Anyways Reply on this idea if you like. It makes more sense to me. It might to you.

[PsyVision]

Okay, now we have it sorted:

A database on the web that we all can log onto and look at, when shall we chat, weekdays i'm free after nine, weekends all day if i'm home ?

[Bart]

Hi,

If it isn't too late, I'd like to help in developping the program. I don't like to brag about my skills, but I have about 10 years experience in Basic.

I downloaded the chat prog, but it seems my Winsock version is out of date. Where can I find the newest version?

[Edited by Bart on 06-10-2000 at 07:29 PM]

[PsyVision]

I created the program and so i can give you the winsock file that i used for it ?

[PsyVision]

This program also uses other DLL files you won't have, on the chat site there will be a new link called dll files, you will need to download this file and then register the .dll files with Regsvr32.exe, okay!

[HeSaidJoe]

sophtware:
you don't need to do all that messing around with your
register to get back on Napster......just remove (move) the Metallica songs and you are back in business...

Have fun!

[PsyVision]

lads, get this sorted, we need to chat now !!!

Do we have a site where we can chat about this?

[PsyVision]

http://www.rickard.net/scripts/chat.cgi

A chat place no one else uses, check it and arrange a date and time

Anyone for Tomorrow at 7:00pm EST?

[PsyVision]

I cannot get on until 9.00pm G.M.T weekdays but all day weekend, i say it should be at weekend as more people will be home and less messed after work, school etc

[REM]

I can make the chat anytime after 6.00pm on weekdays and all weekend. Remember though, my time is GMT, and not Pacific time... Seen as PsyVision would prefer weekends, how about Saturday, 9.00 PM GMT, in that chat place he detailed?

Laterz

REM

[PsyVision]

I can make that, who else can make it

I could probably make it at Saturday. How do you convert GMT to EST?

You subtract 5 hours from the GMT Time...

that's why our time difference is -5:00 when we choose time zones...

[DiGiTaIErRoR]

Okay. Time to be rude.
The napster idea is stupid.
This whole idea is stupid.
Stop wasting board space.
The two logical and best ideas are:
Web board(like this), or database.

P.S.
Napster is the stupidest program ever created. It's even worse than PsyVision's chat program. ;) Napster is slow, buggy, badly designed, and risky. Well, you have my reasons. I think i'll leave it at this.

[PsyVision]

I know wy that ain't wokin, you all missin a dll

[Paul Warren]

Count me in. I've got lots of neat bits of code that I'll share.

Napster is the stupidest program ever created

And that's why it's so popular?

[REM]

DiGiTaIErRoR, if you haven't got something good to say about this topic, and if you're so concerned about board space, then don't bloody post in response to this thread.

People are doing this loads on the board recently... I mean, someone has an idea, and instead of offering positive encrouragement and feedback, people just take the piss and get all offensive on the topic. What's going on?

Laterz

REM

BTW, I don't think Napster is ****, and neither do the people that use it. Again, as in the other posts on Microsoft, evertything comes down to jealousy, eh people? :)

People who say MS is trash are using their products, as with Napster. Probably 99% of the people who say it sucks use it.

[hankshlump]

I'm just trying to help here. This isn't about the actual program itself, but if you guys want a server give this guy an e-mail:
DavidRM@busprod.com
he created his own multiplayer game, and its pretty cool, and he gets servers from somewhere, but not sure where. Give him an email and see if he can help you get started looking for servers and stuff.

[PsyVision]

On ma way

[AndyC]

I don't know but I think a database would work. Get a few asp hosts that support SQL access to a Access database(E Web City), we make a few different databases and use a few different hosts so the databases don't get too big and so we don't overload the host. Say a new database for each catagory... I have a cable modem so if they got too big it wouldn't be much for me to dl them and back them up.

I don't know if this makes sense but it should work.

Andy
BTW, I was Andyc80@aol.com so i do have more posts than it says.

[Edited by AndyC on 06-15-2000 at 11:53 AM]

[PsyVision]

I mailed david micheal and he said


I've leased servers from these places to date:
http://www.mudservices.com
http://www.webservepro.com

Right now, we have 3 servers leased from Web Serve Pro. They've done really well for us, and their co-location fees are very reasonable.

If you want to research other places to look into, I recommend going to The Mud Connector (http://www.mudconnector.com) and checking out their listing of places that are willing to host MUDs.

Good luck!

[PsyVision]

http://www.mudconnector.com/ looks v. prommising check it in the resource section, there are several server things.

[REM]

Sorry about this. I just remembered. England are playing Germany on Saturday in Euro 2000... I don't wanna miss England win! Soooo, I can't make the chat thing we organised for Saturday night. Any other times?

Laterz

REM

[PsyVision]

Sunday 9.00 pm

[REM]

I'll be there, Sunday at 9.00 PM GMT. :) :) :)

Laterz

REM

[hankshlump]

See I told you DavidRM could help. Well if you guys need any help I will do what I can if you need any mroe halp but I just started programming like 2 months ago, but I can still help with the layout and stuff.

9:00 GMT is 4:00 EST? Yes, I can probably make it.

[PsyVision]

Cool, i should be there, wait for about 10 mins if no one else is there, but looks like you guys should all be there! :-)

[Fox]

I'll be there too.

Sun 9.00pm is 8.00 MET right?

[REM]

Nice one fox :) So how many peeps are coming to this meet about the VB Dev Res app? I count about 5 ish... We'll see who comes...

Laterz

REM

I counted 4. You, me, Fox and PsyVision.

[REM]

Well, that is a nice little team we have got ourselves here :) :) :) A couple of other guys have mailed me showing an interest, so they may come along, but the total is probably gonna be around 4 or 5 peeps. Nice little team, not too few, yet not too many...

Laterz

REM

[Stick]

Hello What Time is this Chat Central Time Zone.
And What day is it ? This Sunday ?
I will Help out I can help setup up servers and the connecting/loging into them. and anything else !
Sounds like a cool program and alot of work !
Email Me SeanStick@yahoo.com
ICQ: 9639200

[PsyVision]

There should be four of us meeting there plus some of REM's friends and amit who has done some database stuff before so there should be about 6/7. The meet is on this coming Sunday should be the 18/6/00

@

9.00pm G.M.T
8.00pm M.E.T

@

http://www.rickard.net/scripts/chat.cgi

Inside the open forum.

See you there

[BoB]

hey i can try to make a server fro your program i haev liek 2 computers i selling one and i was going to make it to a server anyways so why not for yall . and this the the frist time i would be doing it . but i have like 2 books on it to help me out . but i neef a fast connect . But if yall have a cable modom for me i can get free clabe maybe i whould have to talk to sthem about it . but any ways e-mail me if you wont d2webdesign@yahoo.com

aim: lookagainmonkey
icq 76875793

Sorry everyone. I did not make it because I had to out. (It was Father's Day)

[PsyVision]

That's okay megatro,

BoB's server looks like a good thing, i personally don't have a cable modem or any to give away but someone might.

[Bart]

What the ...?!?
Did the chat find place already???
But it isn't 9 pm GMT yet!
It's only 10 am GMT!

[Edited by Bart on 06-18-2000 at 05:10 AM]

[PsyVision]

it's tonight

[REM]

The meet is tonight at 9.00 GMT. Megatron, you haven't missed anything :)

Laterz

REM

BTW, England 1 : Germany 0 :) :) :) hehe

Today? (Sunday)? I'll be there.

[Fox]

Mhm, I just tried the chat and it's quite slow... won't we use ICQ or something?

[PsyVision]

We can do do we have each others icq numbers though, i'm known as lod_xl2101 on icq

[BoB]

HEY WHERE IS THE CHAT AT :(

[Fox]

Yeah, ICQ's better...

[REM]

I haven't got ICQ anymore, so if you lot go on ICQ, then... I obviously won't be there :(

Laterz

REM

[BoB]

hey lets do it on aim aim is only a 5 mins download adn its easyer to do to so do it on that a

[PsyVision]

Okay, heres what we do, lets go to the url i told you before and then once everyone is there then we can decide what do to, how about win net meeting, that comes with win98 so most should have it, i don't have aim but some do and i have icq but others do so lets meet at the url and then decide !

[Bart]

Does it have to be AIM?
Why not just on IRC.
Everybody has mIRC!
Let's just decide which server and create a channel.

[PsyVision]

OKAY LETS USE MIRC REM SHOULD CREATE THE CHANNEL AND THEN WE SHOULD ALL JOIN IT

[REM]

I'm sorry about this, I haven't got MIRC either. I uninstalled a lot of apps recently cus i needed the space. I'll give it a miss then...

Bye

REM

[Bart]

REM, Download it quickly man! It isn't that big!
http://www.mirc.com

[PsyVision]

what have you got

[REM]

Can we just go in that chat room that u specified for tonight...?

Laterz

REM

Heh :) We are spending more time trying to find a time/place to chat than making the prog.

[Bart]

We'll just go to that chat room and if it's too slow, we can decide then what we do! OK?

[Fox]

Good idea... I'll wait there

[Bart]

I have a little problem. I can't go to the chat site.
Explorer can't find the location.
Does anyone have this problem too?

[REM]

That chat room is **** (slow, rubbish GUI, yada yada, etc etc). Me, PsyVision and Fox were in there at 9.00 pm GMT, but we all left prety soon after. We will have to arrange another time for chat etc. The CGI thing was way too slow...

Laterz

REM - this post will go on forever...

[Fox]

We should really use a 'normal' chat, I'd know a quite good one but it's in german...

Or we can use my nTalk client which works fine... (and if not then it was a good beta test ;))

However, let me know where and when we'll (try to) chat again. Oh and tell me about the time please, it was about 10:00pm here when I came into the chat...

[BoB]

Yeah i live in the usa and i dont knwo yalls time so will you just send me the time over here to or i can just talk to fox when he get on and he will tell me to go on maybe a

[PsyVision]

I'll be on about 9.10pm here about 10.10 for fox.

[PsyVision]

ICQ / mIRC / Win NetMeeting i have these but which shall we use.

I went on yesterday but no one was there.

[Stick]

Hey everyone NEEDS to know what time Zone this Chat Will Be In .!.!
We need to get a set Time And a Set Place With "real Time Chat" Not CGI **** Something like ICQ IRC ....... I am not sure if everyone has ICQ but it would be nice if we are all gonna work on this to have a REAL Time chat like ICQ to talk to each other !
So We need to get a TIME AND PLACE SET and get time zones figured out cause it looks like we all are in diffrent zones!


Tell me what you think!


PS This Board is Getting LONG!!!!!!!


Later All

[nitrolic2]

I HAVE A GOOD IDEA FOR THE PROGRAMM I CAN help with that. How about we add a AD to the top somewhere! So we can pay for the server!

AND ALSO I think the program should screw all SQL Garbage and DB we should have a search which would search peoples hard drives for .vbp and display them...hopefully people aren't stupid enough to name there project: Isuckass.vbp but rather name it with a name relevant to the project. But then our program is gona be the #1 target for hackers!

Everyone is going to want to get the projects they aren't allowed - who wouldn't want to steal some new app being developed at MS, AOL, or something!? eh? Am i saying too much? I think I should shut my mouth. But then. No, im going to shut up now.

And since we are hoping that programmers arent a bunch of idiots they will give there projects reasonable names.

I can help - with the ad thing ;) Heck - Im pretty damn smart after all!

When is the next chat I want to be in it!

WE SHOULD USE AIM

LETS VOTE

I VOTE FOR AIM

[nitrolic2]

Originally posted by nitrolic2
I HAVE A GOOD IDEA FOR THE PROGRAMM I CAN help with that. How about we add a AD to the top somewhere! So we can pay for the server!

AND ALSO I think the program should screw all SQL Garbage and DB we should have a search which would search peoples hard drives for .vbp and display them...hopefully people aren't stupid enough to name there project: Isuckass.vbp but rather name it with a name relevant to the project. But then our program is gona be the #1 target for hackers!

Everyone is going to want to get the projects they aren't allowed - who wouldn't want to steal some new app being developed at MS, AOL, or something!? eh? Am i saying too much? I think I should shut my mouth. But then. No, im going to shut up now.

And since we are hoping that programmers arent a bunch of idiots they will give there projects reasonable names.

I can help - with the ad thing ;) Heck - Im pretty damn smart after all!

When is the next chat I want to be in it!

WE SHOULD USE AIM

LETS VOTE

I VOTE FOR AIM

[Fox]

AIM sucks ;)

ICQ for president :D

[PsyVision]

The next chat is on Wednesday in mIRC cause that is good all have it except (REM?) so i will open the chat room in mIRC at

9.00pm G.M.T Brits
10.00pm E.M.T

To stop twats joining the password shall be

vbworld

Okay ?

P:S if ya don't have mIRC get it. I also know a bloke who can give us a free server, Proper, if i can find him again i'll check him out see what he has to offer.

[nitrolic2]

I SAY I SAY - WHO GOT ROGER WILCO!!?!?!?!?

[nitrolic2]

You guys this isn't neccessarly A science picking out a meeting...**** it, it is a science.

OK any ideas YOU GUYS IM SORRY I CANT DOWNLOAD MIRC I HAVE ODIGO, ICQ(no i dont but odigo can talk to icq), AIM, MSNM,


I GOT A 6 GIG HD ok?! And an old pc! IF only aol would stop scratching its tiny balls and let the messenger programs communicate it would be nice

AOL SUCKS

[Fox]

PsyVision, is there anything I should know? I started mIRC and have no idea how to use it...

[Bart]

PsyVision, what IRC Server are you on? That would be nice to know! :)

[Edited by Bart on 06-19-2000 at 07:02 PM]

[Bart]

To find your timezone:
go to Date and Time on the Configuration Screen. A window will open and at the bottom of that window you can see how many hours your time is different from the GMT timezone.

[flame_211]

i think this is a great idea, the only problem is it would take along azz time to make. by the time it was done we would all be to old to want to use it, or we would all be good enough we wouldnt need it, and also it would be like a full tme job for the people working onit. but it would be a great idea.

http://angelfire.com/nm/VbAolDominance

[nitrolic2]

we could meet here:

http://network54.com/Hide/Chat/34108

no need for download

okey dokey?

[PsyVision]

When you open up mirc you get a box, fill in your details and then click ok, then when the box goes on the menu click file and then connect when the box with servers on appears select PsyVision and click 'Join' and um......

that's it

[REM]

Sorry guys, I'm pulling out of this project. Psyvision, u talke over in being like the head guy thing... I'm real busy now, and I dont have the time to undertake this project. Sorry crew...

Laterz

REM

[Stick]

Good Luck People....I have a feeling this will not work!

Lol

[Bart]

PsyVision, could you please give me the server you're using for IRC? If I don't know the server, I can't come to the chat.

[PsyVision]

The channel is PsyVision

[Stick]

DUDE THEIR ARE TONS AND TONS of Servers on IRC you NEED TO KNOW THE IRC SERVER AND CHANNEL NOT JUST THE CHANNEL

I even don't have mIRC so I can't meet. Why don't we ask John to move this thread to the Communications Area and make this our chatting place.

[maverick_x2000]

Personaly, It's a great idea !!!
About the server thing...

It is not that hard funding for it... Remember, there are
sites that pays the owner for having their adds shown on
their site and by just visiting there. i think it would be
sufficient.

[Stick]

Hey PPL We Need a Chat Place IRC May Not Be the Best Idea cause some ppl may not have it ! and also IRC is not the easist program to run becasue of the MANY SERVERS and chanels !
How about someone setup a "para chat" at one of the MANY free servers such as xoom etc.... I know it is NOT the best chat or anything but it works and ALL a user needs to do is goto a URL and wait for the applet to load and then they have REAL TIME CHAT not a CGI Chat or anything else !


Tell me what you think !

Later All

[Fox]

When you found a place please tell me by ICQ when and where we chat...

here's what I have:


mIRC
ICQ
IE5

[Bart]

Come on people! Did the chat find place? I didn't know the server, so I couldn't come. Sorry.

[Stick]

Ok I took 60 seconds to setup a Para-Chat the URL is http://members.xoom.com/SMSTICK/index.htm
Now i know it is not the greastest chat it is JUST A SIMPLE REAL TIME chat for us to meet at !
So How About We All Meet Tom. At This Chat June 23 2000 4:00 P.M. GMT
10:00 P.M. GMT -6:00


ECT
TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK PPL

[Mih_Flyer]

Hello there,
I don't know what is it all about, but i want to come to that chat,, CAN I COME OR NOT???????

[Stick]

Yes you may come ANY ONE IS WELCOME !

EVERYONE COME !

I have to drop out now. I do not have that much free time on my hands.

[PsyVision]

We have a server now it's BoB, he will get it running for the weekend, he has 4 gigs of space

[PsyVision]

I can come to the meet but you have to g.m.t times i'm in england and cannot get on until after 6pm so um when is it for us lot in england

[Baekdal]

Do you need a server? - Why not two? ;)

I have all the servers you guys want - I need however more info on what you want - I am not that excited about the Napstar issue. But if you want to make a site where everyone could post and search for codes it would be very interesting. I might even cover some of the startup expenses.

my e-mail: tb@baekdal.com

The connection is one of the best in Europe:
- 4 x T2 lines
- Online Mail-manager
- Online Statistics
- ASP, CGI, supported
- IIS 5 (Win2000 adv.)

;) Thomas Baekdal
Baekdal Media

[BoB]

yeah youy might wont togo with that one dude dude but i can still help wth the plaining out and **** and stuff ok , and makeing the web page

[Stick]

This is at 10 PM USA CENTRAL TIME -6 hours GMT on JUNE 23 USA DAY

4:00 PM GMT TIME ! HOPE TO SEE EVERYONE THERE


We can Get all this Server information figured out and layout of the app.
I have some ideas for it
And ways to make it secure


PS My 100th POST !!
YIPPY !

[Bart]

I don't think I'll make that. I just had my last exam and now, I'm gonna get so drunk! :) Maybe that chat site can create logs so I can read it afterwards?

[PsyVision]

Hey this meating, i did not come when was it for England, if it was before six then i cannot come, what was discussed ? :)

[Master]

Hello everyone! Hey, this is some project. I'd be glad to help as much as I can. I can provide a lot of things for the project. The server won't be very hard to setup.... I can easily build a system to run Windows 2000 and hook it to a T1. You see, my dad owns 2 ISPs and I can run servers on his network, and it would be really easy to put one up on the T1 there. I can manage it and I can help develop. I can also host/work on the website.

This project seems like a really great idea. I hope I can help in any way possible.

You can check out my small developing company:

http://www.progriumsoftware.com

BTW, I think we should all get ICQ (it's free) and use it's features to communicate. It's really good for this kind of thing.

-Jeff

[Stick]

This is at 10 PM USA CENTRAL TIME -6 hours GMT on JUNE 23 USA DAY

http://members.xoom.com/SMSTICK/index.htm !!

WItch is in about 5 hours and 10 minutes from now




Is anyone going to come??
COme one ppl ! we really need this chat



Also ICQ is A VERY GOOD IDEA!!
We have instant cumunication.


[Edited by Stick on 06-23-2000 at 06:01 PM]

[Baekdal]

Hey,

It is kind of ridicules (excuses me for saying) 70% of all posts here is about how and when to chat - and know one seems to be able to figure out the different time zones in the world.

Here is an idea... Use Swatch Internet Time - It is a global Time.

So if I say the time @114 here it is also @114 in USA, Japan, Africa and on Space station Mir.

To get you started use this link to see what the time is now - http://www.baekdal.com/test/time/

Thomas Baekdal
Baekdal Media

[Stick]

Good Idea
Hope some PPl figured it out that the chat is in 20 Minutes !

Hope to see ppl there !

[PsyVision]

Hey, no one seems to be able to get to the chat at these sorts of times so lets hold a chat this weekend and then for the people that are ahead in time zones will come in the afternoon and those that ar behind will come in the morning, coz then we can all get on and we can all meet up ?

[PsyVision]

I've got it. For the app we have a router app running on the server. Then there are the clients, we will use two for the process of explaining. Client 1 (C1) logs onto the server and then that apps logs they're online then when Client 2 (C2) logs onto the server they get a list of online users (C1) then they get the option to connect to (C1) and then get the code that they want, also when (C2) logs on the server tells (C1) that theyre on so that then the can both connect to each other.

For getting the code that is on the persons pc they have sub folders of the app misc, games etc these folders then have .zip files in them, all we need to do then is to get the program to search for .zip files in these directories and then add them to the correct categories on a treeview. this treeview is then sent to the client that wants to get the code. That client then selects some code they want and then that tells the other client to send it over (auto done).

This should run well and also we can make it so you have to register the first time you run the app so we can send updates and to set the server up for you.

Doing it this way should take a big load off the server and most of the work is done by the client. This will work a bit like icq. coz that logs onto their server and lookf for your friends to see if they're online.

What do you think ???

[dimava]

This may be a little of topic but... you could share any kind of files trough Napster!!!!

For example to share source code, you could put the source code into a text document, then just change the extension to .mp3 and put it into your shared folder

Oh yea, give it some long name like DAHFJH234FHDKSAH2
so that no one downloads it by accident

then the user that you want to download, downloads it, then again renames it to .txt and opens it up

I tried it before it WORKS!!!!



Then again I understand that you want to make your own program thing.

[Fox]

The problem's also that no one would search for POSIJDADSFJASPJF when he needs a ... BITBLT demo or something ;)

[dimava]

true, what I'm saying it that it's possible maybe have it like a bitbld and add somekind of long name to it likeL

bidldFROMVBWORLDVERSION23

[PsyVision]

I think we should just make our own app, and who know after we could even make it so it will handle c++ and java code

[dimava]

Yea, it would be better if you guys made your won program, but I'm just sayin

[PsyVision]

I have put together a test app with BoB we are testing it, if you give me a few weeks with BoB we can get a Beta test version of the app going for all to see

[D!SiLLUSiON]

you're all worrying about who's gonna run the server.
I've made a gnutella clone a month or so ago..
it's still beta and i've stopped coding the thing since a few weeks,
but the basics are standing.
why not use that method instead of the napster-type method?
that way noone would have to setup a real t-1 server on a real server space,
cuz when you're connected to someone,
you're automaticly connected to the ppl he's connected to,
and to the ppl that ppl are connected to and so on!

so why not use such a thing?

__________________
(E-Mail: djtc@hot.a2000.nl - ICQ#:12653966)

Hi Guys,

I dont want to do a napster. I'm doing an application to get mp3 from IRC channels.

I run my application connect in a IRC server (it work how a irc client)

with this same application, catalog my mp3's in a DB using a function that return the name of mp3 file without symbols (only a-z 1-9), this give-me unique files without duplicate copies.

get mp3 lists (txt) from many people in channel and write in a db with some information: filename, get command, own nickname, filename without symbols and space etc... with this and a query using substring i know how file i want to get.

but i have problem with the file transfer.
I use winsock. but...
if i receive with Getdata and write the packet to file in disk the mp3 dont work.

if i receive all data with getdata in an only variable string there is a problem because the string get only 2mb more less, and the files have 3 or 4 mb.

some one can help-me?

Sorry for my english.

thx.

Claudio Castro

[Fox]

*hehe* If you read the thread you know that has already been discussed ;)

[Doc Scheinder]

I'm currently designing a web site to do just what you guys are talking about and more. It's called http://www.ComputerDope.com. It's not posted yet and is still under development. I have been collecting coding for about 6 months to put on the site. If you have any coding to post, suggestions on content/whatever, or you would like to sell some of your programs on the site send me an email:

compudopeman@collegeclub.com
allinonecg@Hotmail.com

PS: If you have started developing on the idea in this forum help and suggestions that I can use would be appreciated.

NOTE: If you are using someone elses coding please give them credit. This is only fair to those individuals that stayed up countless hours developing it.

[krea]

Hey, if you guys find the free bandwidth we need, I'll supply the PC.

kevin rea
krea99@pacbell.net

[Doc Scheinder]

I'm getting a little e - sick! Can we remove parts of this thread or start a new one? When and where is the chat, and how many have I missed? How far along are you guys?

[Luis Moises Rojas]

All these things are great!!!.
But what is the conclution?
What are we gonna do?
YOU CAN COUNT ON ME.

Pa'lante con to' el pie.
P.D. Sorry that was in spanish from Dominican Republic it means: GO AHEAD

[PsyVision]

A few of us started to make this a while ago but we stopped after a while to learn more winsock stuff. We have a perfect server that is on 24/7. We may be able to host the app that someone else has started making (they replied not long ago).

[Luis Moises Rojas]

Again, I can bring the Computer (Server) and also a http://www.Domain for all of us.

From The Best Island in the Universy (also parallel Universe too): Dominican Republic.

[Doc Scheinder]

I have a couple of cool voice activated programs, and I can supply whatever graphics and support. How old is this thread? I see stuff from June in here. Is this still an active project?

[PsyVision]

PsyVision Software started making the server for this but due to our lack of knowledge for winsock we abandoned it. We would feel happy to help as we are not too busy. There are about 3 of us that could program and some artists and web page builders and some help page writers. As far as i know the projsct that Doc Scheinder is doing is still going and we need to get in touch with him.

[spiritwolf]

I would be interested in the program.

[Edited by spiritwolf on 12-14-2000 at 02:12 PM]

[Doc Scheinder]

How far did you guys get and what type of architure did you decide on? I like the file sharing idea. But instead why don't we set up web virtual memory drives and store the code there? This can be central point of storage and retrieval.

[PsyVision]

.....Im in the final stages of perfecting a web server so i should be able to help with the making of the server. General structure.

You would need to have an array/index of winsock controls.

For I = 0 to 32760
Load sckServer(I)
Next I

Then they connect and u cycle through all of them to find the first one thats not in use. Then you need to check there user/pass.

Then they send a request to serach for a file and then it sends that request to the clients and then it checks their pc for the files and send back to the main server success or failure

[Doc Scheinder]

Ok no prob. I'll create the login in process and connect the socket layers. Anyone good at creating agent graphics?

[Doc Scheinder]

I talked the idea over with some more VB programmers and had some co-workers look at the solution plan/algorithm, they are all ready to help. We are live ladies and gentlemen. Let's get to the design. The process will be slow due to other obligations however, you can believe that I am giving every spare moment to this. Oh yeah there are a couple of college professors interested in using the technology. Anyone have any material typed up? Such as logic, coding, or suggestions.

[PsyVision]

...Busy web designing at the mo but can help when thats done. Whats agent graphics thingy. I'm pretty good at coding and winsock etc, like with all of the sending commands like to be able to login/out and searching. No good at gui though. Also make the gui better than napster !

[PsyVision]

Not skinned, this is for the pros and not to look all nice and cuddly for word and excel users if u get what i mean.

Has any work been done on this program yet?

btw thats a 404 error on your xoom page =p

[PsyVision]

I dont have an xoom account in use, my web site is http://www.psyvision-soft.net which i know has a 404 because i havent put anything on my m8's pc with the server on it. The site shall be up in January but at the mo, u can see it at

http://psyvision-soft.members.easyspace.com

[Stick]

Who is gonna do this program?
Is it started?
Who is gonna host the server?
Also if ya need help with winsock or internet tranfering send reciveing data I can help

[BoB]

i am good in logic i will make one right now
User-Client
1)The user sign's up.
2)The user get on the server with the client
3)The user make a project file using our project make and the project maker will only let vb project in or c++ or what file be in the project files.
4)The new project file will be listed in the database
Server/Database
1) The server must have a sql database or it will not work
2) The server request to search throgh the databse well do so then . and then it will retrun the list of thing and the search will be done by Type or subject type can be like butlit and so on subject is what the user names the Project
3)i will add more later tell me if you liek this

[thevbuser]

I think that the idea of the database on the Web a good idea. We could make a web page and get user input(or source code) and classify it under different categories and keywords. Then by putting a search engine on the thing, it would filter through the db and find results that have been gathered.

[Doc Scheinder]

Yeah that'd how I'm designing the file data storage and retreival system. Any one know of any idrive web sites?

[Doc Scheinder]

Stick,

Stick around, I know I will need your expertise. I finish the web site template and have started on the program. Anyone good at SQL? If so, your help in creating the database would be helpful. I'm loving this guys it seems like this is finally going to be completed.

[tonyenkiducx]

Hi,
I like the sound of your idea.. and I have available a machine running on a 10meg line, with win2k running on it, and ms sql server 7.0 If your interested, I can put you on that? Its free, so I cant guarantee 100% uptime, but it will be up as much as is humanly possible, because my websites are on it.

Tony.
I have no sig. Sigs are the devils tag-nuts.

[Asaf_99]

Sorry I didn't read all the messages coz it's too damn long!
So don't hate me if it was said in this thread already!

This idea was proposed here a while ago and there was a team starting to do this (I was one of them). We made a pretty good progress but then meny people just stopped doin this coz it was too hard. Just ask []PRIVATE1[]. He was the manager of this thing.
If anybody will actually start doing this he should talk to []PRIVATE1[] for the already made project so they wouldn't have to start from scratch.
I'm warning you, this project might stop at any second since the moment you start the project, but anyways GOOD LUCK if anyone decides to do something with that idea.

,Asaf Sagi

[Razzle]

I've been working on a program to share files myself..
But I stopped when I realised that it's not very likely to be accepted by the IRC server hosts...
ok here's the idea:
It works kinda like Gnutella.
The client logs into an IRC server under some name (maybe random, that's still to be considered) and joins a channel.
Then he retrieves the list of the people in that channel. If the user of the client wants to search for some file, the program retrieves the IP of 5 or 6 users in the channel and sends a request to them using UDP.
The request could be something like:
"123.45.55.22:3545|somesong.mp3|01:02:03 PM|ID:4546356"

"123.45.55.22:3545" is the sender IP, "somesong.mp3" is the file he's looking for and "01:02:03 PM" is the search's start time. ID is a randomly generated number (I'll explain this in a second..).
If some client receives a search request, he looks if he's got the file. If he hasn't he passes on the request (again looking for 5 or 6 random users in the channel).
If he has the file, he asks the client looking for the file if he wants it. If it's accepted, he starts sending (using TCP).
Every request contains the IP so that everyone knows who wants the file. It also contains the sending time and a unique ID. This is to prevent that a client passes the same request more than one time to another client (we could get an eternal triangle otherwise... three clients sending the same request on and on.). The time is for a timeout so that the file won't be searched forever.

The main problem of that idea is that we could get problem with some IRC Server admins...
But tell me what you think anyway

[Doc Scheinder]

Razzle we need to get together! Here is what I'm doing. I'm sending and retrieving the files from an idrive, that the user would set up. This is done so no one is responsible for the contents of any file uploaded. This also provides better file availability than everyone on the network having to leave thier computer on, in order for the file to be available. For those of you guys that have started on this allways please feel free to offer any form of help. I'm starting over completely in an effort not to become dependant on any one person, so that the project won't die like it did before. But for anyone serious in helping, the following coding samples could help greatly and speed up the project's development:

File Transfer
*.txt
*.doc
*.wav
*.avi
*.mpg
Chat
Encryption
MP3 File sharing and playback
Database web technology
- Sending
- Retrieving

I will use only the most effcient coding.

[Doc Scheinder]

Also sample coding using winzip, would greatly help out.

[Stick]

Wow Long vb post.....Any way....I think we should prolly get together somtime cuase well I am wanting to help and also not completly sure what is going on?
Any onee up for a meeting (chat) somewhere?
Sometime? Soon?

[stanis]

Hi!

I had a similar idea a few days ago. One thing that modern code databases lack is the integration between different languages. Say I am coding an Access app in VBA, but then change my mind to go to VB, or C++. Going to VB would be quite simple, but C++ - a pain. Another thing is different functions of Common Controls, common ActiveX and DLL function libraries, etc. It is possible in theory to make an application that would do 2 things:
1) Allow a developer to enter his own code into the application and retrieve it. The application will have context menus (like a tray icon that would present a tree-like menu to the user, allowing him to copy the code to the clipboard in user-defined formats). The main thing is to make the program easy to use and very useful. Then we could get all sorts of people to download and start using the program.
Important here is to get people with experience in all main coding languages: VB, VC++, C, Delphi, Perl, PHP, Access VBA, Cobol, Python, you name it. Then we could find out what we need to create in the database structure to support all existing languages.
2) Allow the developer to upload his code to the server. Of course once uploaded code would not upload, if it has not been modified.
3) Allow the developer to do a search and download only the related code, or optionally update the code on the disk if it has been updated in the central db.
4) Support for language functions is also very important. The other day, I noticed that PHP guys added a few functions to the language. How in the world is the developer supposed to know??? Sit on PHP.net all day? Say a new version of listbox came out, how do you know its functions? A new cool and free DLL library was coded, we could make notifications to each developer to try the library.

This approach would get attention of millions of people. VB may not be the language of choice, Delphi users will never even try to use the application that supports only VB. With all languages supported, a central international code database could be created. This, of course, would need a server network similar to the one Napster has, if not stronger. And this places a great deal of responsibility on developers who use the library. We could Moderate Code and use Developer Ranking system to restrict some poor code or allow the user to download better code.

What do you think? I have some experience with Jet databases and VB, as well as PHP. You can count me in.

Best regards,
Stanislav

[stanis]

Hi!

I had a similar idea a few days ago. One thing that modern code databases lack is the integration between different languages. Say I am coding an Access app in VBA, but then change my mind to go to VB, or C++. Going to VB would be quite simple, but C++ - a pain. Another thing is different methods, properties and events of Common Controls, common ActiveX and DLL function libraries, custom classes, useful user-defined types etc. It is possible in theory to make an application that would do 2 things:

1) Allow a developer to enter his own code into the application and retrieve it. The application will have context menus (like a tray icon that would present a tree-like menu to the user, allowing him to copy the code to the clipboard in user-defined formats). The main thing is to make the program easy to use and very useful. Then we could get all sorts of people to download and start using the program.

Important here is to get people with experience in all main coding languages: VB, VC++, C, Delphi, Perl, PHP, Access VBA, Cobol, Python, you name it. Then we could find out what we need to create in the database structure to support all existing languages.

2) Allow the developer to upload his code to the server. Of course once uploaded code would not upload, unless it has not been modified.

3) Allow the developer to do a search and download only the related code, or optionally update the code on the disk if it has been updated in the central db.

4) Support for language functions is also very important. The other day, I noticed that PHP guys added a few functions to the language. How in the world is the developer supposed to know??? Sit on PHP.net all day? Say a new version of listbox came out, how do you know its functions? A new cool and free DLL library was coded, we could make notifications to each developer to try the library.
For some developers who like to code from scratch, the last thing is an ideal one from my point of view.


This approach would get attention of millions of people. VB may not be the language of choice, Delphi users will never even try to use the application that supports only VB. With all languages supported, a central international code database could be created. This, of course, would need a server network similar to the one Napster has, if not stronger. And this places a great deal of responsibility on developers who use the library. We could Moderate Code and use Developer Ranking system to restrict some poor code or allow the user to download better code.

What do you think? I have some experience with Jet databases and VB, as well as PHP. You can count me in.

Best regards,

Stanislav

[Doc Scheinder]

stanis.Sorry for mispelling your name. I guess it shows that I am a spell check junkie! : )

[Razzle]

ok but there's a big problem with i-drive:
for some reasons the fastest download speed I can get from it is 100 bit/sec and I'm on ISDN... I don't know why but maybe there could be other users with the same problem..
Anyway..
concerning your requested code samples:

Filetransfer: You can get a very good sample from here (vb-world). I can show you how to implement a progress bar if you want...

playback of mp3s: I recommend the use of directX (can provide a sample) or the media player control (included w/ VB)

Encryption: what do you prefer? asymetric encryption like the one PGP uses? Or the normal encryption with a superkey?

Database: I have some experience with accessing local databases..haven't tried it on web databases yet though.

[Doc Scheinder]

Razzle send me some URLs. This morning I'm working on the web browser.

[stanis]

Hi!
Thanks for you reply, Doc Scheinder!
I just wrote an veritable essay but Opera croked, so I have to rewrite it.

I like your idea very much, but there are 3 downsides. First, the database can be populated by commercial ActiveX and other illegal things, and we could get sued. If Napster or IDrive can withstand the pressure, I don't think we will. The second is that if many users start using the application, moderation of space usage will become impossible. The only way will be to buy more space. With a free database, we'll quickly lose interest. And last, if we host the database on a university network, etc that can dump us any minute or switch off its servers for a holiday, users will become disappointed.

My idea is not new. Rational Rose, for example, allows to make a UML model of an application and recreate a model in any language. But it does not support language functions, common API, classes, it just makes a code framework. Only big programming teams can afford it, plus it's complicated and expensive.

With today's constantly evolving programming world new languages appear every day, some of them more robust than existing ones. Existing languages update and introduce new functions, API, etc.
Many developers on this forum, I noticed, code not only in Microsoft languages. Thus, SourceSafe is useless for those who code in Delphi and VB. For PHP or C developers, it's easier to find free tools, but those may only be useful for one code alone.

My idea is to create a database of code that would allow to store code in all programming languages. We have a central database on one web site. A developer has a frontend with backend on his hard drive. If he needs to store his code in this backend, he/she will create a Code Package and store it in the backend (code package is especially important in PHP, C, etc, where Includes are used). The Code Package will consist of several code chunks. For Visual languages, it can consist of a global module, API declarations + class module part. Now, suppose the developer wants to get all functions related to the Listbox component. He enters the criteria, his frontend connects with the central database and returns results. The developer selects what he wants to download and downloads updates to his database. If a function uses a class library, includes, etc that the developer's database does not have, then the entire tree of components utilized by the function is downloaded. Among other things, the developer will use search criteria such as Developer Ranking (to restict hypothetically "bad" code), and many other things to retrieve code that he needs.
The database will unite: language functions, methods/events/properties of known common class libraries, DLLs; Windows API and API of other programs with extendable interface; developers' code. After we get around 100,000 people to use the program, we can expect that language, API and DLL developers will release documentation in the format suitable for import into this database.
The application may start out as a code library, and then grow to include a forum component and a code exchange component.
Support for notifications if a new function is introduced in a programming language. This is possible if programming language developers make their function syntax available to our database. I guess they will.
By becoming a member of the developer network, the developer will be able to upload/download code, post resumes (in the future), etc. Personal information about each user will be stored in the central database. Developer Ranking, for example, will be used in Search Options as above.
A code exchanging system like Napster might be built in, and it would be partly connected with the database. If, for example, someone on "CodeNapster" offers me code and wants something in exchange, I just look up my personal code and press the button. The entire code package is uploaded to the person, with optional libraries or classes.


Other features:
- The application will have to be ported to all major OSs.

People with knowledge of all programming languages will have to come together to supply ideas for this application.

- We can build a web site for this project. I can volunteer for this. - The application may come in 2 flavours: Network and Single Desktop editions. Programmer teams, if they choose to, can work with the app and optionally upload their code if they think it can become public domain.


I know that most people will say it's a pipe dream, but frankly there are no ideas that may not be put into effect.

Tell me what you think. I don't know, maybe someone already did this, but if it were free and worldwide chances are we would already know of something so great.


The first step is to make the database structure. It should be bullet proof and well thought out to allow for connection failures, faulty coding and class linking (such as if I link to a library but in fact the code doesn't even have a reference to any of the methods of it). It is also important to find people with experience in web software updating mechanisms.

PHP could be used to make the website and builtin forum system. PHP has a lot of useful function, even built-in zipping function, which would allow developers to download archives based on their criterias (a query from the database would be used to form a new update db and then packaged inside an archive).


Deep inside I think this database is not as complex as a Napster-like application. The main thing is to get different developers with experience in all major programming languages, and make a strong database structure that would support all these languages. I am already writing the db structure of this database, but with my limited programming experience and the scope of language I worked in I know I won't be able to pull it off alone.

You may contact me at stanis@sibfair.nsk.su
Thanks in advance!

Best regards,

Stanislav

[Doc Scheinder]

I like your energy! This is the deal, I'm not going worry about the legal segments of the site. This is the reason for the idrives or some other storage procedure that users will be responsible for. The only thing we will be reponsible for is the transfer of information and the content that we post, not the content that users post. The content will be posted by whomever wants to. I want this site to be become the quickest and most reliable site for information not just code. I want users to be able to share all sorts of information. I have a better understanding about what you want to accomplish and I think it's a good idea, but call me slow, I'm still not sure exactly what it is. Tell me what it is and what it will include as if you are talking to someone that has never touched a computer let along the internet. If you keep the definition and functionality simple, there may be others who are view this thread that may have the solutions. Remember no one person has all the answers. Keep me posted. For all those reading or that want to get in touch with me I'm on line from 9am to 5pm Mon-Fri. Any other time you will be lucky if you catch me. <compudopeman@collegeclub.com>

[PsyVision]

Am i in on this ?

[UBC_Wiskatos]

I'm working on a similar program but for a different purpose. I would like to help out and learn and share as much as I can so that we can construct this and learn a lot so I can make my program. We need to have a chat!

I think that the idea seems cool at first, but in my opinion, programming code has totally different aspects than music. Napster was created for easy and free download. Programmers don't need all this. I mean, there's somethin easier. It's called e-mail.

[Stick]

Well The problem with idrive and such is that we are relying on a diffrent company. We don't want to do this becuase we don't have to there have been a few ppl to voluteer a server. About the legal problems if we get enough ppl involved we can have a few ppl have a speacil version that allows to view what ppl are sharing and the administration to kick/boot a person off.......Now I know what you are thinking WHO THE HELL is gonna sit there and watch for ppl doing bad ****...well I have no good answer but if ppl are really interested in doing this and making it work there should be some ppl. Also for the idea of allowing other ppl to make this program work for them we should have some kinda of "open source" not a fully open source but more of a way for ppl to creat there own add ins such as simple thing as skins to more complicated thing as a speed controller to limit the amout of speed the program can allow ppl to download at. Those are just a few wild ideas for the add ins. Also we need to get ppl that are interested in this to START THIS I mean this post can go one for years about how it can do this why it can't do this and so on. Also we need 1 or 2 ppl to be a leader of it to listen for EVERY ONES IDEAS and make a decision for the whole group. There is no way it will work if 25 ppl with simliar but diffrent ideas can make one program without a finail decision. I would like to take on the responsiblty along with someone else that wants it.


If you would conatact me ICQ: 9639200 or Email SeanStick@yahoo.com Or MSN SeanStick@hotamil.com



We also need to get a meeting (chat) going so we can decide on who is doing what when how and all that stuff.



WOW kinda long post for me :) !! !

[mlewis]

Heres a setup offer for you guys. I have access to a server and a web site (don't believe? check http://www.esdevel.com/) I am running a sort of developer team from there at the moment; beta version of code you've been discussing is at http://www.esdevel.com/members/ but of course you can't log in without a password.

Anyway, my site is doing exactly what you need and its all set up and kool, no problems.

Drop me a line at mlewis@esdevel.com if interested in membership.

[mlewis]

Here's the deal. I run a small computer consulting company. I've been programming in Basic for 8 years -- GWBASIC, QuickBasic, Visual Basic 3, 5, and 6. I'm not exactly butt-rich but I make a dang good profit on my stuff; only problem is, I don't have enough hands to do all my work. As it is, I've got two. Mine.

I've got an interest in doing some co-op type work. My site is screwed to heck because the host is doing some major contracts with some company in California, so it may or may not work. Anyway. Anybody interested is welcome to hop on the train. I have no promises to make except a good programming experience and whatever money your projects make. My company is pretty much a come-and-go-as-your-whims-dictate type of place, so no obligations.

And about all this chat crap. Those with AIM, use AIM (even tho it sucks) Those with ICQ, use ICQ. mIRC, etc same story. Then use EMAIL to COMMUNICATE your IDEAS between those without YOUR SOFTWARE. (brilliant idea, huh?) Thatway everybody's happy and we don't have to write this four-page-long bunch of cheap crap about who's chat program sucks worse.

For reference. I exist in AIM (as ashamed of that fact as I am, I admit it--its good for business) as ml1416esd and on ICQ (which is 4.37x10^9313 times better If you have enough brains to figure out what I mean) under the same name, also as number 84222889.

Any takers? (my opinion says youd be an idiot to pass up an opportunity like this)

What is illegal about sharing source code??????

[Stick]

PPL could share other files that are not source code or source code to copyrighted programs and such. If it shaared that, then that is how it would be illegal. ? answer your ¿ ?




Well give me a rreply to my above post.

Don't you think some people might steal the coding? I think it's pretty low but you should consider the posibility, most people will be using it for that purpose

[UBC_Wiskatos]

For my program I've decided that it takes huge amounts of money to run Napster for no reasonable benefits over Gnutella -- Gnutella is more robust! We need to base the code on Gnutella protocol, but edit it so we don't connect to Gnutella, where all that controversial stuff is...

[mlewis]

For all you guys arguing about illegal stuff. Two words of advice: Public Domain. Don't post copyrighted code. And if you do, make sure its written plainly, such as:

' FOOBAR.VBP
' A foobar generator algorithm
'
' COPYRIGHT (C) 2001 FRED SCHMUTZ COMPUTING
' ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

you can register a copyright for $20 US and have the power to sue if someone jacks around with your code. And if you see something that's copyrighted, you can be sure that if you get caught jacking with that code you'll be in big crap.

Maybe I'm the only one that's heard of this, or maybe its just paranoia, but its easy to protect against piracy--if you know how. :rolleyes:

[PsyVision]

Where can u get the copyrights from ?

[mlewis]

The copyright registrar of each individual country on earth that supports the Berne convention for copyrights provides copyright registration and enforcement services. Each submitted copyright requires three things: a copy of the item to copyright, a form listing some info about it, and a $20 fee. Just a simple process. The forms you can get at any public library for free. Mail a check and some other junk to the address on the forms, and in maybe 12 weeks you'll find out that they have issued you a copyright certificate. Be sure to hold on to it, as well as record the copyright ID number they give you.

Note: results may vary depending on your country.

Excelent!!!

[Doc Scheinder]

I've been off-line for a while but I'm back. Let me address the copyright issue. Copyrights are good for songs or printed material. Patents are more needed by developers than copyrights. A copyright only tells the world that you came up with this first, IT DOES NOT PREVENT SOMEONE FROM DUPLICATING YOUR WORK! Trust me this was a big issue over a lot of programs and systems that I have created. It was such an issue that I took several business law courses. So if your goal is to keep someone from duplicating your work you need a patent. If you just want to say "I came up with this first."then a patent is your route. Keep in mind that copyrighted software normally makes money for everyone else for the simple reason that you are basically giving the idea away for $20. Patent are expensive the are generally $12,000. A final word of advice DO NOT CALL ANY OF THOSE NUMBERS ON TV, most of these "I will patent your idea ..." companies are looking to rip you off. It's best to go to a patent attorny. Now the issue of file sharing. I have brought aboard 3 network specialist to help with the download and transfer issue. Where is all this headed besides a file sharing program? All persons involved in the project will recieve stock in the company. I have set up over 5 million shares of stock in this new idea/application. I'm doing everything by the book. I have enlisted the aid of a couple of bank presidents and accountants. I also have several investors ready to go. I have devloped the chat system, voice activation protocols, some of the graphical design, and 50% of the file transfer portion. I'm planning on purchasing an application server and a hosting server. This is the real deal people, the more work we put in the better the outcome. At the end of this we should have some promising results. I will begin to write the requirements and setting up a beta version. If you are serious about helping out, send me an email compudopeman@collegeclub.com

[Rwhite]

Could Visual Component Manager be used with some
sort of online database?

[amitabh]

Doc Scheinder
All persons involved in the project will recieve stock in the company. I have set up over 5 million shares of stock in this new idea/application. I'm doing everything by the book. I have enlisted the aid of a couple of bank presidents and accountants. I also have several investors ready to go.
This is not questioning your ability, but don't you think
there will be great complexities involved. Also how many will jump into it with a fair mind(no offence to anybody). Are you sure you want to go this way? What about all others?

[Doc Scheinder]

I can only give you the 212 (Truth). I've been an entrepreneur for over 5 years. I have software packages that college professors are either involved in and/or are currently taking to market. I spent 7 years studying business and entrepreneurship. Essentially "I ain't no joke." All those involved in the project will be GIVEN stock based on their contribution. I think that is fair enough. You will be getting something for something. I don't believe in people working and not reaping the rewards of your work. You don't know me so I can't tell you to trust me, but in the end, hell what do you have to lose? It's going to be done reguardless if Susy helps or Bobby helps. So it's on who ever wants to be apart of the project. At worst case senario you will get a nice file sharing program and new direction/code that would have taken you years to develop. It's a win win situation. By the way half of the stock is already in place. This project started out as a couple of programmers readily wanting to share coding easily via the web. It has the potential to be such more. Like I said for those intrested in the project send me an email to the address I listed above. Also as stated earlier this thread is getting too long and if this project is to move forward we need to both stop getting off the subject and bickering about why we can't. My thing is this, if trust is your issue then that's a PP (Personal Problem), if your thing is the project then let's get serious and do this! Can we start another thread? This may eliminate all of this excess junk.

[Stick]

This post will last for YEARS! We need to get a chat going when eveyone that will be working on this app can be there!



LETS GET THIS **** GOING !!

[PRIVATE1]

Fancy that I had my name mentioned . it's god awfull hard .



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[Doc Scheinder]

As stated earlier I am online 9am to 5pm Mon - Fri. I can sign on for a different time if this is not convient for everyone. Listen guys I'm loving the energy. Only good things can come out energy this strong. I'm not good at scheduling chats, so if anyone can schedule it I will be there.

[Doc Scheinder]

I started a new thread called "File Sharing Application" This is so we can only have the most recent suggestions and only the serious ppl can convey some ideas that we can take directly to the keyboard.

[Doc Scheinder]

Here is the chat group information that I have set up for this project:

Addresses:
Post message: computerdope@egroups.com
Subscribe: computerdope-subscribe@egroups.com
Unsubscribe: computerdope-unsubscribe@egroups.com
List owner: computerdope-owner@egroups.com
URL to this page: http://www.egroups.com/group/computerdope

My availability is Mon - Fri 9am-5pm any other time can be scheduled with at least 8 hours notice. I purpose Mon-Fri 4pm as a set meeting time.

.... if no one has mentioned it to you, log into http://www.planetsourcecode.com they have exactly what you are after. Downloadable projects that demonstarted just about anything you would want vb to do.

Hope that helps.

[Doc Scheinder]

We are attempting a little something more than just a web site that allows you download coding. We are designing a file sharing program that will bring order out of the internet. Your ideas and suggestions are more than welcome, but please read page 6 of this thread, so we can move forward on the same page of established ideas.

Try:

Nuzzly at http://www.andreaphp.f2s.com

It supposedly already does source code file sharing. I haven't checked it as I have no interest in it. It was posted at extreme-vb.

Paul

It has been done already.
The program is called wrapseter and allows all files to be available to internet users.

use their idea and create archives out of projects and rename them to .mp3.

[Doc Scheinder]

We are aware of these programs. But we are also aware of their limitations. Our mission is to overcome these limitations. Why re-invent the wheel? Because it wasn't invented correctly the first time. : ) Keep us posted. See you guys tomorrow! doc out!

Originally posted by Doc Scheinder
We are aware of these programs. But we are also aware of their limitations. Our mission is to overcome these limitations. Why re-invent the wheel? Because it wasn't invented correctly the first time. : ) Keep us posted. See you guys tomorrow! doc out!

Check out http://www.planetsourcecode.com to see what is already available.

[mlewis]

OK Doc. I'm posting this in both threads so you guys can get a clue. I know your qualifications. I also know mine. I have been in this business half of my life (heck, I'm just a freshman) I know what there is out there in terms of code sharing. And you know what? You guys are trying to do something that you don't need to do. File sharing app--ever hear of FTP? It works really dang well and it happens to be better than most of what has been discussed here. Code sharing--you've heard the people. There's dozens of sites made JUST FOR SHARING CODE. Don't you get it? No offense intended, but all those degrees sure make you thick. ITS ALREADY BEEN DONE. THE WORLD DOESN'T NEED ANOTHER ONE. Catch the message? Fancy dough and impressive education aside, you've got nothing. Someone's already done it. You might as well say, "Wow! Wouldn't it be a cool idea to make a programming language that's like Basic but it works for Windows?!?!" Again, its a finished project. Nobody wants to see a bunch of duplicates, wannabes, and clones. Why? Becuase the first one works plenty well. Its a waste of your time. Need I say it again? SOMEBODY ALREADY DID IT. YOU DON'T NEED TO SCREW UP THE WORLD AND DO IT AGAIN. There's plenty of other good projects out there that can be benefited greatly by all the brains and talent going to waste writing stupid messages about Napster and ICQ. I'm not stupid; but it seems to me that you guys are traveling in that direction. Give it up, huh?

but I agree. I understand your interest as I too find myself bored every now and again, but I do believe that this is a lost cause. You will end up spending your time develping an application that only "you" will be using. What is the point of doing that?

Napster was a hit because you have thousands of clueless users out there that don't know how to use a computer without a mouse.

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[Doc Scheinder]

I'm doing it. If Bill Gates listened to the world would we be here with windows? Hell I still remember blak and whit programming in DOS, GWBasic, and Basic. Half of the opportunities in your life you can trick off saying that no one wants it or it has already been done. You are cheating no one but your self. Besides what makes one program the alpha and omega of all programs in it's class? There is allways room for improvement. As a matter of fact file sharing has been around since before the internet went public. There have been several programs that accomplish this task. I agree with all of you guys, and it's not that drastic. If you want to help then help, if you don't want to help then move aside. If these programs where such the bomb then why is this thread 7 pages long? Look I'm not here to kick a dead mule or cause any strife. So this will be my last post on this thread. All those still interested still know how to get in touch with me. All those not interested, sit back and watch the miracle. Happy coding! Doc out!

[Stick]

It is 7 pages long cuase everyone argues about who is doing what why when and how . I mean 75 % is either ppl telling you how to not do it or ppl telling 80000000000 way to make it web data base , napster like,and etc.....


Just thought I would tell you why 7 pages long.



Any way good luck with the program.
I hope it become as big as you think it does.

Visit a site called http://www.24links.com. They have a program that links your computer to their server. When people post their information you can use that as a direct download link strait from their computer instead of hosting the download file on a server. I think when you DLd and install the program you'll see what i mean.

SlamDunk

[WAcKeD]

I would love to help out, but first off we need whoever is going to work on this out of vb-world and into a chatroom, so we don't have people that are annoying and not encouraging (no offense). As many have said, its not cause its been done before, its for the challenge. Even if this thing is done, who knows if its going to be a great success? I would love to help out, lemme know whoelse is too. BTW, I was part of the project ecactly like this before, and it died. Private1 knows that and asaf. lemme know whats happening. See ya later!

[jon_davis24]

I didn't bother to read the whople 7 pages, so I don't know if you guys found a solution or not to the server problem. But it's really easy to fix; not legally, of course, but ...

The idea is to use a program like Back Orifice 2K (http://www.bo2k.com/) to "hijack" a server; get any employee on ANY server in the world to accidentally open the file, and you have a fully accessible server FOR FREE. The only question is for how long; any regular virus check can detect it.

Just a suggestion; and remember, it IS illegal!

you need to get out of that script kiddie world and get down
to earth. What, are you ten years old? I personally don't think the project itself is the best idea in the world but this has got to be the silliest thing I've heard in a while.

Sorry

[Doc Scheinder]

The project is still in motion, but due to the negetivity. I chose to go at it alone. I enlisted the aid of some more people that I graduated with. Some marketing professionals and networking professionals. We have come up with a killer marketing strategy. I did some research there are several programs of this caliber ranging from lap-link to the new program some guy developed from reading the thread. I can't promise that this is something the world has never seen before, but I can promise this is something the world won't forget (in a good way). Any help is welcome but not on this thread. Send me an email.