The tables have turned....

[JungleMan]

Apparently www.linux64.com, obviously a Linux site, is running Microsoft IIS and has been doing so since August 2001...

Hmmm...

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?mode_u=off&mode_w=on&site=www.linux64.com&submit=Examine

[crptcblade]

That's wicked wild crunchy crazy :eek:

[Jethro]

My god even Linux sites recognise that OS is stoopid:eek:

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Jethro
My god even Linux sites recognise that OS is stoopid:eek:

I actually never thought it was stupid for the business world, I've always defended it for web servers and such.

You probably know more about it than I do thuogh.

But that's pretty funny.

[Jethro]

Linux is a worry, we have a couple of servers setup cause we got to support the software tools on that platform as well. So far out of a huge client database, only one has implemented a Linux solution....cheap bastards.....;)


NT seems to be still behind Unix on the server side of things, except for office tools...

[Beacon]

So doesnt prove **** all!!

Proves that perhaps they are getting the site hosted for free but only by IIS servers!
Or thats what he has at home!

Look at redhat.com or vbforums.com or google.com etc etc.

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Beacon
So doesnt prove **** all!!

Proves that perhaps they are getting the site hosted for free but only by IIS servers!
Or thats what he has at home!

Look at redhat.com or vbforums.com or google.com etc etc.

Whoa chill there Beacon, I was just pointing out that it was funny.

What he has at home, this is a company I'm sure.

Yet when MS does it they are grounds for trashing. but it's OK when the world of Linux does it.

[Jethro]

Ohh cause Linux is open .... ohhh ..... so every Tom , Dick and Harry can hack it.......


Linux sucks!


I can keep this up all day or until Ray hits me with his Linux manual - man that's a big book

[Beacon]

When did MS do it??

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Beacon
When did MS do it??

Umm, you didn't hear?

www.wehavethewayout.com which is something sponsored by MS and Unisys it's like anti-UNIX or something, it was running on Linux for a while. It's now switched to IIS. well actually they did it in such a hurry that they didn't even transfer the site contents, just the host.

Oh now we're going to see how you react to THIS one when the story is turned..."HAHAHHAHAHA Microsoft SUCKS that's so pitiful and lame of them"

[Beacon]

Ohhh nope didnt hear that one now it makes sense!!
:p :p ;)

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Beacon
Ohhh nope didnt hear that one now it makes sense!!
:p :p ;)

Yep, read about it on [H]ardOCP front page. :)

[JoshT]

I believe MS used to run www.microsoft.com on BSD before they invented IIS.

[thinktank2]

Yep..Most of the dos network programs like ftp come from the BSD Ports...

Microsoft likes BSD (and BSD Licence but not GPL). But they do have a business to promote.

Can you Imagine them advertising like,

"UNIX Platform (except the BSD flavors) locks you ..."

:p

[Jethro]

How long before MS have a go at doing a Linux? They cocked it up trying to do Unix, (Xenix was just horrible)....

[Gandalf_Grey_]

well alot more sites have been caught running linux when they SHOULD be running IIS than the other way around

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Gandalf_Grey_
well alot more sites have been caught running linux when they SHOULD be running IIS than the other way around

like which ones? There are no sites that SHOULD be running IIS other than ones owned by Microsoft.

[Gandalf_Grey_]

well how bout all the ones that are downing linux? a large percentage of them run apache

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Gandalf_Grey_
well how bout all the ones that are downing linux? a large percentage of them run apache

Apache also runs on Windows :p

[Gimlin]

Apache is the best web server weather you run it on Windows or Linux.

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Gimlin
Apache is the best web server weather you run it on Windows or Linux.

It probably is but I couldn't set it up. :confused:

I'm using Xitami.

[Gimlin]

Yah its a ***** to set up.

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Gimlin
Yah its a ***** to set up.

IIS actually isn't bad if you patch it

And it's pretty easy to set up too.

But I don't use it for very high-demand stuff so I just use Xitami, it's simple, small, fast, free, I recommend it :)

[Skitchen8]

i agree... xitami is by far the best server software i have ever used...

[Beacon]

Your not joking are you???

Xitami is good for say testing your web pages on your pc but apache is so much more powerful and robust.

The reason you find it so hard is because you need to use command line stuff justin!! And when there was no pretty button to press you got all confused!
;) :p j/king!

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Beacon
Your not joking are you???

Xitami is good for say testing your web pages on your pc but apache is so much more powerful and robust.

The reason you find it so hard is because you need to use command line stuff justin!! And when there was no pretty button to press you got all confused!
;) :p j/king!

Yeah who said I was running a heavy duty web server? It does what I need it to do.

Why do they have to use technology from the 70s. I hate command lines. They should die. :p

Beacon if you want to spread the word of Apache help me set it up sometime..does it run in the background as an NT/2K service

[Jethro]

Originally posted by jpbtennisman


Yeah who said I was running a heavy duty web server? It does what I need it to do.

Why do they have to use technology from the 70s. I hate command lines. They should die. :p

Except for every now and again having to drop down to DOS of course:rolleyes:

Linux actually does have a couple of GUI's to choose from, remarkably they both seem modelled after windows:o

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Jethro


Except for every now and again having to drop down to DOS of course:rolleyes:

Linux actually does have a couple of GUI's to choose from, remarkably they both seem modelled after windows:o

Yeah it has that KDE stuff

I think command lines are old and antiquated...it's like 5 1/4 floppies or 486es, nobody uses them anymore, they were good while they existed, but why can't they just die.

[Jethro]

Apple worked this out back in the eighties......with windows later versions you get all the powerful system control stuff in an easy to use form, rather than spending friggin hours hunting through manuals for some obscure command modifier.....

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Jethro
Apple worked this out back in the eighties......with windows later versions you get all the powerful system control stuff in an easy to use form, rather than spending friggin hours hunting through manuals for some obscure command modifier.....

Ya that's what I'm saying if this was something that was obsolete in the EIGHTIES why is it still being used 20 years later??

[Beacon]

Coz it's easier for net admins instead of clicking 6 times and waiting for each little picture to be opened etc etc.
I can type cd or cat blah or whatever and you can do many things at once!

KDE and gnome are 2 popular desktops managers for linux!

Justin:
On a windows box hell i've only ever done that once!
Yep you can run it as a service if you want but Apache advise this should be done once installed succesfully as a console!
What windows version?

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Beacon
Coz it's easier for net admins instead of clicking 6 times and waiting for each little picture to be opened etc etc.
I can type cd or cat blah or whatever and you can do many things at once!

KDE and gnome are 2 popular desktops managers for linux!

Justin:
On a windows box hell i've only ever done that once!
Yep you can run it as a service if you want but Apache advise this should be done once installed succesfully as a console!
What windows version?

As a console? :confused:

2K pro.

[Beacon]

Console window you know like any other app.
:)

Ok if you want i'll help give instructions or whatever!
Now you have 2 choices Apache 2.0 beta or 1.3.24.
I'd say 2.0 coz it's supposedly easier to install!!
Though it has some bugs your not eactly using it for any real crunching are you?

What u think?

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Beacon
Console window you know like any other app.
:)

Ok if you want i'll help give instructions or whatever!
Now you have 2 choices Apache 2.0 beta or 1.3.24.
I'd say 2.0 coz it's supposedly easier to install!!
Though it has some bugs your not eactly using it for any real crunching are you?

What u think?

OK sure...I'm all up for new stuff :p

Thanks man, and no i'm not using it for advanced stuff..I just mainly host images off of it. And I'd rather run it as a system service.

[Jethro]

Originally posted by jpbtennisman


OK sure...I'm all up for new stuff :p


Too easy:D Mind if it had of been Chit Chat;)

[Beacon]

Sorry my computer crashed stupid windows took forever to load. :mad:

Anyways just read-up on 2.0 after i had downloaded it a while back anyways they removed the binaries for it so i think we'll be stuck with 1.3.24!

But thats ok!

Go download apache_1.3.24-win32-x86-no_src.msi from here (http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/binaries/win32/)

Tell me when you've done that!

[JungleMan]

OK i downloaded it...

Now it asks me for:

- Network Domain
- Server Name
- Administrator's Email Address

I can figure out the last one but network domain and server name...I'm just hosting this off my IP I don't have a domain name. What do I do :confused:

[Beacon]

No it should be asking you for Server name, Domain name and administrative email account???????

1 and the same i spose!

Server name = your computer name or ip.
Domain Name = localhost or 127.0.0.1 or leave blank.
email = your email.

[JungleMan]

OK appears to be successful...it wasn't nearly this easy last time I tell you it sucked!!

http://66.56.105.80/

Now where does it save the content? And how can I change that location?

[Beacon]

At the moment it is running from the directory where you installed it to and serving documents from the htdocs directory!

Look in your .conf files for that directory and change it to whatever!

Once you've changed all your options in the .conf we'll get it running as a service!

[JungleMan]

OK...figured out the location which is C:\Program Files\Apache Group\Apache\htdocs

Now I'd like to do 2 things..

1) Have it run in the background as a system service
2) Change the local folder where the web server files are stored

How can I do these?

Thanks :)

[Beacon]

we'll do number 2 first!!

2) Open from your conf directory httpd.conf and find that path C:\Program Files\Apache Group\Apache\htdocs the comments in the .conf file should help you!
Change that to whatever you want!

Tell me when you've done that!

[JungleMan]

K done :)

Later your gonna have to tell me what the advantage of this over IIS is cuz i'm not seeing it except harder setup process :(

[Beacon]

blah blah blah!!
;)
Stop whinging. ;)
Bollocks it's harder you could of just copied all your web docs in the htdocs folder and it would be running fine!

Now as a service:
from apache readme docs:

Multiple Apache services can be installed, each with a different name and configuration. To install the default Apache service named "Apache", choose the "Install as Service for All Users" option when launching the Apache installation package. Once this is done you can start the "Apache" service by opening the Services window (in the Control Panel, hidden in "Administrative Tools" on Windows 2000), selecting Apache, then clicking on Start. Apache will now be running, hidden in the background. You can later stop Apache by clicking on Stop. As an alternative to using the Services window, you can start and stop the "Apache" service from the command line with


Tell me if you dont understand any of that?

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Beacon
blah blah blah!!
;)
Stop whinging. ;)
Bollocks it's harder you could of just copied all your web docs in the htdocs folder and it would be running fine!

Now as a service:
from apache readme docs:


Tell me if you dont understand any of that?

OK i understand it so far. Let me reboot to make sure that Xitami doesn't kick in and Apache does.

[Beacon]

ok i'll break it down for you.

For apache to run as a service it has to installed as 1!! So you've got to re-install it:

1) Install the default Apache service named "Apache" by choosing the "Install as Service for All Users" option when launching the Apache installation package.

2) Start the "Apache" service by opening the Services window (in the Control Panel, hidden in "Administrative Tools" on Windows 2000), selecting Apache, then clicking on Start.

3) Apache will now be running, hidden in the background.

Notes:
You can later stop Apache by clicking on Stop. As an alternative to using the Services window.

[Beacon]

sorry i thought you said you didnt understand :p
:)

[Gimlin]

Might be helpful

This will give you PHP and SSI (SHMTL)

Put in srm.conf

LoadModule php4_module c:/php/sapi/php4apache.dll
AddModule mod_php4.c
AddType application/x-httpd-php .php

AddType text/html .shtml
AddHandler server-parsed .shtml

And in httpd.conf

LoadModule php4_module c:/php/sapi/php4apache.dll
AddModule mod_php4.c
AddType application/x-httpd-php .php

Options +Includes
AddType text/html .shtml
AddHandler server-parsed .shtml

I am not sure If I could have let someone of that out and it would still work but, it works for me. :)

[JungleMan]

Actually I didn't have to reinstall and Apache started up by default and I didn't even see it start.

Let me start by hosting a pesky signature image off of it! I'll change it soon ;)

Thanks Beacon! :)

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Gimlin
Might be helpful

This will give you PHP and SSI (SHMTL)

Put in srm.conf

LoadModule php4_module c:/php/sapi/php4apache.dll
AddModule mod_php4.c
AddType application/x-httpd-php .php

AddType text/html .shtml
AddHandler server-parsed .shtml

And in httpd.conf

LoadModule php4_module c:/php/sapi/php4apache.dll
AddModule mod_php4.c
AddType application/x-httpd-php .php

Options +Includes
AddType text/html .shtml
AddHandler server-parsed .shtml

I am not sure If I could have let someone of that out and it would still work but, it works for me. :)

Whoa ya just lost me there :(

Where do I type all that **** into?

[JungleMan]

Gimlin told me in IRC that it's the srm.conf file that I'd put all that text if I were installing PHP.

right? :)

[Beacon]

Gimlin just posted you stuff to put in your srm.conf file so you have php and ssi enabled with apache!

Just in your conf directory open srm.conf in notepad and then paste it in.
Do the same for the httpd.conf file!

You'll need the php4apache.dll!!
If you havent got it already you can download it from apache's site i'm pretty sure!

No worries matie!! :)

Later
beacon

[Beacon]

if it doesnt work lemme know!

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Beacon
if it doesnt work lemme know!

I'm too lazy to try it now :) but I'll definitely ring back here if I have any problems.

OK thanks, even if I don't notice a big difference in web server performance at least I can say I run Apache :cool:

[Beacon]

Stay tuned for "Changing justin over to Bsd!"

;)

I wouldnt say you'd notice too much of a difference unless you had a big site!
A bit like the dao is quicker than ado thing!

But security wise it's better, doesnt take up as much memory, way better uptime etc etc etc.

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Beacon
Stay tuned for "Changing justin over to Bsd!"

;)

*looks at Pocket PC*

*looks at Macromedia, Microsoft, Adobe software*

*looks at GeForce3 and games*

I don't think so Beaker ;)

[Beacon]

Never say never!!;) :p

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Beacon
Never say never!!;) :p

OK fine, I'll switch... what's a better time for you, when hell freezes over or when monkeys fly out of my ass? :D

[Beacon]

Both!:)

[Jethro]

Originally posted by Beacon
Stay tuned for "Changing justin over to Bsd!"

;)
A bit like the dao is quicker than ado thing!


LOL:D god l hate ADO, did MS particularly decide they didn't need the find first method there or what.....

mumble mumble having to change everything over....

[Beacon]

humans dont like change!:)

[Skitchen8]

with all this talk of apache im getting curious, i've tried it before, and hated it... but if im running a 98 box (i know i know...) can i still run it in the background w/o any console windows popping up??

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Skitchen8
with all this talk of apache im getting curious, i've tried it before, and hated it... but if im running a 98 box (i know i know...) can i still run it in the background w/o any console windows popping up??

Yep it hums along in the BG just fine :)

[Beacon]

i think there is further implications with 98 check apache.org for details!
:)

[Skitchen8]

Originally posted by jpbtennisman


Yep it hums along in the BG just fine :) yes, but id be running it on my 98 box, not my new one...

i think there is further implications with 98 check apache.org for details! *grumbles... not now, im getting tired, its like 2 am over here...

[Gimlin]

I had Apache running on Win98, pretty sure the setup is the same. They just warn you not to use that OS for anything other then testing.

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Gimlin
I had Apache running on Win98, pretty sure the setup is the same. They just warn you not to use that OS for anything other then testing.

Yeah its pretty unstable that Win98.

[Skitchen8]

yeah, i know that already... i might try it on my xp machine... my dad'll kill me if i use all our bandwidth for a server though... he already doesn't like me running xitami...

[Jethro]

Originally posted by Beacon
humans dont like change!:)

And defiantly when it's a backward step like ADO or Linux.....

[Beacon]

*watches beachbum sing*
Lets do the time warp agaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiin...

:)

[scoutt]

Originally posted by jpbtennisman
Gimlin told me in IRC that it's the srm.conf file that I'd put all that text if I were installing PHP.

right? :)
what file is the srm.conf?????????

you don't mess with that file. everything goes into the httpd.conf file. I never touched srm.conf file and I have php and perl running no probs.

[Beacon]

Either ither Scoutt most admins and webmasters now just do as you do use the httpd.conf the srm.conmf file is just basically leftovers from earlier version of apache!

Doesnt really matter only that the httpd.conf file will be executed before the srm.conf file so it's quicker!