PHP Forum

[sail3005]

We are gonna start building a PHP forum.

current members:

- sail3005
- Dork 1
- da_silvy

if you wanna join, post here.

[Dork 1]

I got iis5 php and mysql

[sail3005]

i am trying to set up PHP on apache. i haven't done it before on winXP, and it's not working. i might just go back to 2k.

[da_silvy]

Is it going to be a server, or is it ur general computer?

[da_silvy]

Have you got it working now?

[sail3005]

my computer. I have no idea how to start working on the forum though.

[Dork 1]

I'm still learning php how about you sail?

We need to plan the forum
Post your ideas for the forum here is what I have so far

- Customizable
- Moderaters
- Forum Code
- Smilies / Admin can add or remove smilies
- Forum Code for formating text
- Bad word filter
- Owner can edit/delete own post
- Multi Forums and Catagorys

And all the ussual stuff

[sail3005]

we can use the basic ideas from the main BB's. like VBulletin and UBB. ok, and dork, i am just starting to learn.

[Dork 1]

I'm learning aswell shouldn't take to long php seems like a easy language to learn

phatBB sounds pretty good

[eiSecure]

I'm insterested in joining this!:D

I think we should have it look A LOT like vBulletin (everything, except maybe the copyright footer;)).

The forum should have very detailed administration features, such as disabling/enabling attachments, avatars, guest posting, etc.

The forum statistics should work, also, with an option to recount membership, repair boards/forums, disable post counts in specific forums, and stuff like that. (Basically a combination of OpenBB's features and looks with YaBB's administration powers):cool: ;) :p

[sail3005]

hey, get PHP coder, it is a cool IDE for PHP. it will help us.

[eiSecure]

Are we going to start from scratch, or are we going to use OpenBB as a "base"?

[da_silvy]

Originally posted by sail3005
hey, get PHP coder, it is a cool IDE for PHP. it will help us.

I use notepad or wordpad

I think that we're gonna start from scratch...

[eiSecure]

Okay.:)


...although I DO think that will more than likely triple our coding time.

[da_silvy]

OK fine, we can use openBB as a base if you want.

Send it to me, I'll have a look in about 2-3 weeks

Supposed to be studying atm....

[eiSecure]

http://www.openbb.net

[da_silvy]

lol

It's a great big rip off from vBulletin it looks

I guess all would have to be, to be a good forum

Do we have to show that it was a openBB base forum?
or just modify it and call it our own?

What hacks do you want me to work on for it?

that's alot of quesitons :eek:

[eiSecure]

Well...if we do a MAJOR overhaul, I believe that we don't need to include a reference to OpenBB (By that, I mean modifying EVERY file majorly).

[eiSecure]

Originally posted by da_silvy
lol

It's a great big rip off from vBulletin it looks

I guess all would have to be, to be a good forum

Do we have to show that it was a openBB base forum?
or just modify it and call it our own?

What hacks do you want me to work on for it?

that's alot of quesitons :eek: Look at http://www.eisecure.f2s.com (http://www.eisecure.f2s.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl is a YaBB version). Look at the board statistics, and look at the number of posts/threads. There's 0 threads, but i've got one in the anouncements forum. If I delete that, it becomes -1.

Obvious bug there.:rolleyes: :D

[da_silvy]

nah, it's so that you can get rid of threads (i.e. free up space) and still let ppl keep their post count.

Like my first 1000 posts probably don't exist anymore :(

[eiSecure]

Yes, but maybe we can fix is so it doesn't screw up the counter, and still have people keep their post counts.

[da_silvy]

You can have 2 options.

We can add these admin hacks maybe

1. Delete inappropriate thread
2. Normal Delete (to free space)

1 - Kills post count as well
2 - Let's them keep their post count ;)

[eiSecure]

Also, if you will take a look at YaBB's admin features, I think they deserve to be in OpenBB as well.:)

[da_silvy]

Post them here?

[eiSecure]

?

Sorry, I don't get what you mean.

[da_silvy]

Post the admin options here

[eiSecure]

General Controls
Edit Categories (reorder/create/remove)
Edit Boards (reorder/create/remove)


Member Controls
View/Delete Members
Edit Member groups
E-Mail Your Members
Ban Members
Set Reserved Names


Forum Configuration
Edit Your Forum Template
Forum Preferences and Settings
Set censored words
Clean active log


Maintenance Controls
Repair all passwords
Repair All Boards and Topics
Recount All Board Totals
Recount Membership
Rebuild the members list

[eiSecure]

That's just what's on the main form. There's a LOT more options inside those options.

[da_silvy]

yeah i gather...

Well we start with one, host it see what ppl think then have a forum feedback and go from there.

[da_silvy]

What do you want me to work on?

[eiSecure]

um...you can start the admin functions...

[da_silvy]

If i am online:

http://144.132.20.16/phatBB/index.php

have a look,

we need to decide on a color scheme for our demo methinks...

[eiSecure]

OpenBB SQL

An Error has occured, please contact the system administrator.



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Fatal Error: Could not find database on the server
Query:

BTW: I can make all the graphics, etc.

[da_silvy]

Try again

I can also do graphics, but I'll let you do that ;)

What about some forum titles?

Feedback

PHP Forum
-Discuss PHP here

CGI Forum
-Discuss CGI here

VB Forum
-Discuss VB Here

General Web Forum
-ASP, Java, Javascript, VBScript, HTML


Moderators - For all Forums, or specify which forums they have control of?

[Dork 1]

You two talk alot :P almost done my homework (had to design a web page using html dhtml and had to do it in notepad) ahhh lol

really good ideas

think it should be specified witch forums moderators have rights to

and welcome eiSecure

[da_silvy]

it should be both...


http://144.132.20.16/phatBB/

have a look

[da_silvy]

Dork 1.

You live in New York and you have cable with Shaw Cable Systems?

yes/no?

Is that right?

[da_silvy]

I now say that we start from scratch.

Using popular bb's as leaping points for code, then we know what's going on and we know what to change to fix something...

[Dork 1]

Live in canada and have shaw cable

[sail3005]

da_silvy, your link is down. :(

[Dork 1]

I'm never buying a book again!~ I went to get wrox php book but it was 75 bucks (with out tax) sams was even more and I was to lazy to go to UBC just so I can get a student disscount so I bought the cheapest one they had lol. So with this book I should beable to learn php alot faster cuz I can read it when I'm on the buss to and from college etc...

Once I get more ram (wednesday or thursday) I'll ftp running so ya'll can use my pc as a test server or just find a good host with php and mysql

And since I have a habbit of not turning my pc off when I'm at college or sleeping it should be up most of the time

[eiSecure]

Okay. I'm not that great at PHP, but I can do the design, HTML work, and graphics.

[da_silvy]

The server is only up if there is a red tick in my signature...

I still think we should start from scratch

[Dork 1]

Creating our own forum from scratch would be good and snooping at openbb's code once in a while to get a better idea on how something works would be good I think...

We can use my puter as a test server I'm getting 512mb of ram on wednesday or thursday ( total of 608mb ) so I'm sure that is plenty for the devopment. I also keep my computer running most of the time. It is my alarm clock lol

I can also install a ftp server or use the gay crappy one that comes with iis. That way everyone would be able to upload modified files etc.. I'm on cable so unless my mom/brother/sister and my self are playing games online should be ok transfer speeds

URL to my puter = http://phatbb.cjb.net (goes to a folder on my web page ( http://cfists.clanpages.com ) opens index.asp witch redirects you to my last known ip address)

[da_silvy]

Your ip is not dynamic so....

You can just post your ip here.

Do you have mySQL?

[Dork 1]

Yep got mysql. Actualy my ip is dynamic sorta well they claim it is dynamic so when my ip lease runs out (8 days) I "might" be given a new ip. I have had this ip for over a month so I think I'll have it for some time to come :p

-- http://24.77.84.172/ --
or
-- http://phatbb.cjb.net/ --

[da_silvy]

The network specs for Shaw cable say that network addresses are not portable or dynamic....

[Dork 1]

Maybe Shaw is static then our cable company use to be Rogers but Shaw and Rogers switched (Shaw wanted Western Canada so they gave all there east up for Rogers west) but I do know about 2-3 months ago my IP was different from what it is now

any one know a good ftp server program (free ware or shareware)

[da_silvy]

http://download.cnet.com/downloads/1,10150,0-10001-103-0-1-7,00.html?tag=srch&qt=ftp+server&cn=&ca=10001

[DaoK]

Serv-u is the best and the easier.

[DaoK]

da_silvy your IP link do not work.

[Dork 1]

I installed serv-u

[da_silvy]

Originally posted by DaoK
da_silvy your IP link do not work.

That's probably because my web server is not running.

If there is a tick in my signature, you can go to that link ;)

[sail3005]

i don't mean to be picky, but PhatBB, i mean, come on. could we get another name?

[Dork 1]

That was the only name suggested lol

if we make it easy to set up we could call it
easy bb
ez bb
easy forum
ez forum

cool bb
php bb

[eiSecure]

Well....maybe we should put up a poll or something on the main VB page for everyone to vote...

[DaoK]

Not a name with easy... :\ try to find a revolutionary name :)

[Sastraxi]

How 'bout BB4u?

[eiSecure]

"I was thinking more along the lines of...Secure-It! Forums!:D;) ;) (With encrypted passwords/databases!:D)"

[DaoK]

Poor Ei, all the world around his name :D

[Dork 1]

eiSecure: I don't know about that name

Doak: Yes name with easy is kinda lame

Interactive BB?

I'm not verry creative today

also e-mail me for a ftp account if we decide to use my comp
n.t.scott@home.com

[DaoK]

What your forum will have speacial ?

[da_silvy]

It will be written by us.
It wil be done by about 4 people

It will be awesome.?

[Dork 1]

It will allow you to add smilies to the list.?

[da_silvy]

of course ;)

[DaoK]

What about something than you can add voice with the micro in a message ! :)

[eiSecure]

Originally posted by da_silvy
It will be written by us.
It wil be done by about 4 people

It will be awesome.? Cool. Did you know that vBulletin currently has only 7 people working on the entire project?:)

[eiSecure]

...and since John is one of them, I suggest we use my forums instead of this one.:D

It's in my signature.

[sail3005]

we have to make this forum very very customizabe. we should try and make a built in chat room for each forum too. it seems that everyone at VBW is doing good with the one they set up. I know some java, and i am sure if i brush up on it and learn a little more i could make a cool chat applet.

[eiSecure]

hmm...for some reason, doesn't having a chat applet make the forums obsolete?:confused:

[DaoK]

This forum chat is nice because it use the account of the forum :)

[Dork 1]

We could make a seperate chat app that can be intergraded into the forum and promote them as 2 products

A Spell Checker! that is a must for our forum. I can't spell worth **** and there are like no forums that have a spell checker (that I have seen)

[da_silvy]

Not a spell checker

[da_silvy]

it will make everything too slow.

Read the posts in forum feedback about spell checker...

i don't think john will mind, nor will he try to borrow our ideas :p

[Dork 1]

We could make it an option (someone clicks the spell checker button and it checks etc...)

[da_silvy]

yeah nah

It is a waste. Most people don't care.

If you care that much about your spelling and grammar, paste it into word before you post it :rolleyes:

[Dork 1]

I don't care that much.

Okay no spell checker :)

[da_silvy]

good

we're starting from scratch, yes?

[Dork 1]

I think so, if we run into problems we can allways look at openbb to figure it out.

[da_silvy]

Just what to start with is a problem :rolleyes:

[Dork 1]

Maybe start by making a basic forum with catagorys and then work on adding all the cool features. meanwhile eiSecure can work on a cool design and sail can help out with what he knows so far. I'm allmost done my php book.

also since not everyone is happy with "PhatBB" think we should still disscuss the name I guess for now we can use PhatBB and at a later time maybe when we are almost done can make a cool name that suites the forum

I'm not really that good at mysql yet but here is a access database layout that I was using for the asp forum I was making Didn't get very far with it but its a start? Have no Idea what all the types would be in mySQL

Table Name
- Field Name ~ Field Type

Catagory
- ID ~ AutoNumber
- Name ~ Text

Forum
- ID ~ AutoNumber
- Name ~ Text
- Description ~ Memo
- CatID ~ Number

Topic
- ID ~ AutoNumber
- Topic ~ Text
- Post ~ Memo
- Poster ~ Text
- Date ~ Date/Time
- Time ~ Date/Time
- ForumID ~ Number

Reply
- ID ~ AutoNumber
- Post ~ Memo
- Poster ~ Text
- Date ~ DateTime
- Time ~ DateTime
- TopicID ~ Number

Members
- ID ~ AutoNumber
- Name ~ Text
- Password ~ Text
- Signature ~ Text

[sail3005]

Aight, perhaps over my thanksgiving break i will start working seriously on this forum.

[da_silvy]

that's my christmas break...

[Dork 1]

I'll do alot of work on my christmas break..

[da_silvy]

ditto

[sail3005]

we gotta start posting useful stuff. i don't want this moved to chit chat.

[eiSecure]

Here's a demo control pannel from vBulletin. It's pretty good.

http://vbulletin.com/admindemo/admin/

Login with both username and password as "admin".

[eiSecure]

Does the OpenBB GNU license permit us to use their code?

[sail3005]

well, i don't want to use others code anyway. we gotta get a fresh start.

[eiSecure]

Of course!

What I'm saying is that we can look at how they've got their MySQL tables organized and how they used GZLib and stuff.:)

[sail3005]

ok, i was expecting that we would do that. ;)

[sail3005]

At least the light version...

[Dork 1]

We don't have to use their tables all we need to do is look and see how its all done then make our own (even if they look identical lol)

[eiSecure]

*ahem* been done *ahem*

http://www.eisecure.f2s.com
http://www.eisecure.f2s.com/portal.php

[sail3005]

heheh, looks just a little like vbulletin :)

[da_silvy]

jeez, you've got heaps of members :rolleyes:

[sail3005]

is that vbulletin lite?

[da_silvy]

nope, you can get that from

www.vbulletin.com

[eiSecure]

No, it's not vBulletin Lite. It's Woltlab's Burning Board.

[da_silvy]

Pretty dodgy :p

:/

[sail3005]

Originally posted by eiSecure
No, it's not vBulletin Lite. It's Woltlab's Burning Board.

Are you serious?

[da_silvy]

are you kidding?

[eiSecure]

No, I'm serious.:)

[da_silvy]

not you, sail

[sail3005]

is this project still going? or is it defunct?

[da_silvy]

i'm happy to go ahead with it in a while...

[Dork 1]

I'm still up for it

[eiSecure]

Me too, as long as I don't have a ton of homework!:D;)

[da_silvy]

don't u finish school soon?

[eiSecure]

Yeah, I finish at about December 18th.:)

[Dork 1]

My Christmas break starts on the 24th or 21st not sure

[da_silvy]

hmmph

i finish tomorrow :)

[eiSecure]

lucky...i still have 2 more weeks to go.:(

[da_silvy]

hehehe

no more school for about 8 weeks now :D

[Dork 1]

I only get 2 weeks off :( oh well I finnish college soon anyways

[da_silvy]

hahah :p

[sail3005]

christmas break is coming. i can work on it then, just to let you guys know i haven't given up.

[da_silvy]

hmm

it's hard to know where to start

but you know what they say

when eating an elephant, have a little at a time ;)

:p

or something like that ;)

[eiSecure]

Actually, I think I'll just help with graphics and stay far, far, FAR away from the PHP stuff.:D

[da_silvy]

why?

[Dork 1]

Originally posted by eiSecure
Actually, I think I'll just help with graphics and stay far, far, FAR away from the PHP stuff.:D

Isn't that what you origonaly were going to do?

[eiSecure]

Oh yeah...LOL.:D

Sorry 'bout that one.:)

[da_silvy]

Did you do the graphic in ur signature?

[eiSecure]

Yep, I sure did!:D

From scratch, too.:)

[da_silvy]

it looks good ;)

[eiSecure]

Thanks!:D

[DaoK]

I made my graphic to :)

[Howard Stern]

you need to start by creating a database access wrapper for at least mysql. making a postgresql class would be nice too, but that can be done later. just keep in mind to use ansi sql and not use any mysql 'features' or you'll never be able to port to other databases.

then you need to plan out the framework. you need to develop a method for managing user log ins and maintaining state. need to write a library of functions for common tasks.

before starting on the actual forum i'd have a well planned out database schema. you also need a plan. if a bunch of people just start coding you'll get nothing but a bunch of headaches. figure out exactly what features you want, how things should work and assign jobs.

also, there are so many vbulletin clones out there you're wasting your time unless you can offer something the others dont. think of what you can do to make people want your forum, because otherwise they wont.

[eiSecure]

lol....check out vBulletin's competition. They are all lacking the important features.

1. Style (some come close, but not close enough)
2. Features (it's either you have vBulletin's look, or you have their features, no board currently offers both)
3. Template system (lets see a board use the .style system...:D)

[Howard Stern]

ok, just throwing that out. if it's already been considered more power to you.

p.s. what's the .style template system?

[eiSecure]

where all the HTML for the templates and all the style sheets and stuff are saved into a file.

You can just upload a file, and your forums will be completely changed to match it.:)

[sail3005]

anyone interested in getting back into this project? i know i am.

[/\/\isanThr0p]

why don't you guys just ask john to open a php part in this forum. I think this forum has all anyone would need!!

[eiSecure]

I believe there is already a PHP section in this forum.:)

[/\/\isanThr0p]

well then? why make a new one? This forum has the advantage of already having a big number of readers, and its technically really good, too.
And if the ads bother you I doubt that you will be able to make some forum better than this here without ads because it's not that cheap having computers running 24/7 with a high bandwith and big storage...

[VBTZH]

I'll think about it :p

[VBTZH]

not:p :p :p :p :p :p

[/\/\isanThr0p]

what do you mean by that?

[eiSecure]

Originally posted by /\/\isanThr0p
well then? why make a new one? This forum has the advantage of already having a big number of readers, and its technically really good, too.
And if the ads bother you I doubt that you will be able to make some forum better than this here without ads because it's not that cheap having computers running 24/7 with a high bandwith and big storage... I think you're missing the point.

We're not trying to run another forum. We're making another forum SOFTWARE. They're different.

[/\/\isanThr0p]

well yeah I guess :)
well then good luck!

[sail3005]

eiSecure? You, anyone else?

[eiSecure]

Yeah, I'm still in this.:D

[Dork 1]

Sry guys I disapeared for a while..........

1) HD crashed
2) Fixed HD
3) Crashed again and finaly died never to be resorected
4) Got a job

Now I'm working and still have no time really but I got my weekends and I might upgrade my allready cheap hosting and add mysql and php

[eiSecure]

May I recommend www.flohost.com?

It's got everything you would possibly want, all for under 5 bucks per month.:D

[Dork 1]

Now you tell me after I payed my annual bill! lol I like my host better cuz I get asp

[sail3005]

i am planning on starting this project up again in the summer

[da_silvy]

wasn't that what we said last year :P

[Dork 1]

Cool I'll be done college by then (next week :P) and I'll have lots of time to work on it.

[sail3005]

we keep procrastinating....but not forgetting. we will get to it one day.

[da_silvy]

yeah

some day... :D