[Resolved] Java Documentation

[honeybee]

Can someone give a link to download the Java Help/Documentation for the latest JDK ?

I visited java.sun and after reading the license agreement, sort of pissed off too. Anyways, if that's the only location to get the Java documentation, don't bother to post.

Also what's the stuff with a 90-day evaluation license for 'Documentation' ??

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[filburt1]

http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/docs/ :)

[Dillinger4]

Filbert is the king of Documentation :p

[filburt1]

:D You can't write Java without the JDK docs. :)

[honeybee]

Originally posted by filburt1
:D You can't write Java without the JDK docs. :)

Very true, unlike the F1 method with Windows apps.

And now, how about some good freeware IDE for Java?

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[filburt1]

I've liked JCreator (http://www.jcreator.com) so far.

[Dillinger4]

Looks sweet! Im feeling it! Im glad you told us about this. And here we thought you wanted JCreator all to yourself. ;)

[honeybee]

Yep, JCreator is the one!

Sorry folks, I decided not to wait for your response and employed Google to find it out, am downloading it right now.

:)

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[Mrs Kensington]

JCreator is the one I use! hasn't let me down yet ;)

[Serge]

JCreator is good, but its not free and it doesnt do swings as UI.

[Dillinger4]

Im thinking about getting JCreator just becuase im gettiing tired
of coding in note pad. What do you mean by "dosent do swings as UI"? :confused:

[filburt1]

Originally posted by Serge
JCreator is good, but its not free and it doesnt do swings as UI.

It doesn't do Swing within the IDE, but *ahem*

DOWNLOAD NOW! JCREATOR
Freeware
:rolleyes: :p

[Dillinger4]

Meaning you cant run a swing application within the IDE? So if i code or run existing Swing code that i have JCreator wont be able to run it?

[filburt1]

You can always execute the class files from a command line.

[Dillinger4]

Yes thats true. But that kind of $ucks though. It's like having a half ass IDE. Ill have to go back to the site and try and find out why this is so and if they expect to fix this in future versions.

[Mrs Kensington]

compiling and running swing programs work fine for me!
I assume your using the Sun JDK with it and the code is Java compliant code (as in no Microsoft extensions).
As long as the code conforms to the Java spec it should compile fine!

The only downside of JCreator is no GUI creation program, but personnally I prefer to write the code for my GUI's myself. It gives me greater control and allows me to code in my style and not the one they set!

Mrs K

[Dillinger4]

So the statement Serge has posted "JCreator is good, but its not free and it doesnt do swings as UI." is not very descriptive then.
He should have said "you can code your own, but that's about it".

GUI creation is gay anyway. one shoul write their own code no of this VB gui crap. Drag and drop is for Pu$$ies. :p

Thanks Mrs Kensington for clearing up this matter. Now i feel better about purchasing JCreator. :)

[Serge]

I'm talking about creating swing forms as you do in VB, Delphi, VC++(MFC) where you draw your controls/components on the form. It just cuts the development time in half.

And if you think GUI stuff is for pu$$ies then why are you bothering with IDE, just continue to use notepad. You can actually use notepad to do VB programming as well.

[honeybee]

And JCreator has a free version too, although I guess feature-restricted. I am relatively new to Java at present, and would really not care if it was Notepad or a full-blown (partially blown would do too) IDE. But as long as it's free, it's nice to have some goodies along with simple text editing.

And I hear it has popups like the VB IDE.

If it is lacking the WYSIWYG feature, that's something we can live with till these guys release a new version.

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[Dillinger4]

And if you think GUI stuff is for pu$$ies then why are you bothering with IDE, just continue to use notepad. You can actually use notepad to do VB programming as well.



No not GUI stuff. I ment automatic GUI creation like some of
these IDE's have, or so ive heard. :)

[Serge]

Originally posted by Dilenger4

No not GUI stuff. I ment automatic GUI creation like some of
these IDE's have, or so ive heard. :)


And whats wrong with that??? Those features were created for a reason, to speed up the development time. JBuilder, for example, has GUI creation. Does it make it a bad product?

[Dillinger4]

Of course not. No one sad that automatic GUI creation makes it a
bad product. Hey if anything speeds up developement time then it's a plus. But lets face it most people perfer VB becuse if it's quick GUI creation features. "Drag and Drop" not to mention the syntactial constructs of the language are easy to understand. Im not kocking VB at all. I love VB. I statred programming with VB and i still program with VB. But if you want to earn a little more money than the average VB programmer makes you obviously want to program in a language that other people either dont want to program in or dont understand that well. So in my opinion anyything that makes a language more "VB like" isnt too good. :)

[Serge]

To tell you the truth, I work with VB and Java......and the pay is pretty much the same. Sometimes I get projects where I have to use Java, sometimes VB. It really depends on the company. There are many programmers out there, but not all of them are good. I've seen many Java/C++ programmers and not all, by far, are good. And they are not making that much more than a regular VB programmer. :)

When somone is hiring you, they usually know that they get what they paid for ;)

Note: you will rarely find a VB job opening for only VB, now they all want VB and ASP and of course databases.

[Dillinger4]

Yes youre right on that. Most companies want people with multiple languages under their belt. But the the few companies ive seen that just want a VB programmer pay substantially less then a Java or C++ programmer. No one ever said just becuase you are a programmer you are any good at it. :p