CapitEx Development Thread

[aknisely]

This is the thread for the new Web-based stock exchange game, CapitEx: The Online Virtual Stock Exchange.

Please post all ideas concerning the development, finance, and implementation of CapitEx here so that we can maintain good workflow and communication skills!

If you like what you see and you want to help out, e-mail me (Adam Knisely) at knisely@telusplanet.net, and we'll see what you can do to help out. We'll need people who are skilled in the following areas:

Graphics;
HTML/JavaScript;
PHP4, mySQL, Linux development/administration;

Accounting, financial reporting;
Corporate/securities law;
Marketing, specifically tend analysis;

Technical writing, content development;
Idea development; or

Any other useful ideas, or you just want to keep posted on the project.Please, do NOT post source code here (programming code; JavaScript/HTML is okay), as it may post a potential security risk that we really wouldn't need.

Right then, let the fun of software development begin! :rolleyes:

[aknisely]

I've updated the plans document. No changes before page 12.
http://www.x86central.com/~adam/plans.pdf

[da_silvy]

I will try and help with PHP4 and MySQL

[Fencer5]

I would love to help; however, I don't do a lot of web development and have never really touched Perl or PHP. (I do know HTML and a functional amount of ASP.) I do the software side of the work for my company, so I might not be much help on the coding side of things, but I could always help with Idea Development and establishing the final rules for the game. But I have a couple of questions:

-- How does the game make us enough money to pay the fees for a PHP/MySQL server?

-- Shouldn't at least the web site admins be able to impeach a Supreme Court Judge? They could be totally ruining the game by awarding huge damages and the like, and there's nothing we could do.

[filburt1]

Now that Adam has been banned, I wonder who will take up as the PL. He already had a bunch of documentation on what he wanted.

[Fencer5]

Wow! What about Adam being banned...

[filburt1]

He and a member called Kovan weren't exactly best friends.

[Fencer5]

I noticed... but I didn't realize he had been banned.

[filburt1]

It was posted in a big thread in Chit Chat. I tried to PM to make sure that he was really banned but I got a message saying that he wasn't allowed to receive PMs. *shrug*

[Fencer5]

So is Kovan gone too? BTW, we can't really continue with the idea can we? I mean it was his idea... unless we put his name in the credits for the idea...

And won't he just make a new screenname???

[filburt1]

It looks like he is still here; I sent him a PM and it didn't bounce.

[pactalon]

(don't tell martin :rolleyes: )

Alright, eveyone, forget about all that last night as I'm going to stay out of chit chat's facist kingdom for awhile.

To answer fencer's questions,

How does the game make us enough money to pay the fees for a PHP/MySQL server?We've been discussing this on MSN, and the two major ideas were merchandise, where we'd sell coffee mugs, t-shirts, mouse pads, the usual paraphenilia, and accepting donations.

We had a few ideas about the donations bit. We could put donators of $5 a month or whatever on a seperate server with a faster pipe, but I think this would detract from the diversity of the game. The second was that we put everybody who donates into a contest, where the top ten income-pullers or highest net worth guys or biggest portfolio winners win merchandise like TVs, computer stuff, and possibly cash. The stuff would naturally be sponsored, and it would entice people to spend long hours at the game.

But we'd need some money to start off with, any ideas on that?

Shouldn't at least the web site admins be able to impeach a Supreme Court Judge?As the administrators of the game we'd all have the ability to do that; but to get to the Supreme Court, you'd have to be very experienced and skilled, and with that you inherit a sense of responsibility and discipline. I think. Anyways, we can make it so that a Supreme Court decision is a vote from all of the judges, not just one or two.

[Fencer5]

Ok. Yeah, I'd love to help with ideas, day-to-day admin, ads, getting sponsors, etc. Maybe, just maybe, I could get support from my company. (Although it probably wouldn't be of a financial nature.) I'm assuming we'll also probably have banner ads?

Adam -- Glad you're back - but avoid too many lively discussions, ok?

[pactalon]

Although they probably wouldn't pay the bills, we'll probably have to resort to banner ads for partial financial support. Remember, we're all volunteering for this, so our only expenses are those that have to do with maintaining the server, which really shouldn't be above $1500 /month each.

[dmr]

$1500 /month :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Adam are you still with us?

Okay. Infact with banner ads you can't gain the money you need for having a profitable system. In the beginning we do it a bit smaller I suppose. When our server is going to be overloaded we can transfer it to another one. :cool:



I discussed with him before and induced him to use php/mySQL :D .
My part is db-design, programming and what ever has to be done - I already created a layout but when there's somebody with more creative ideas I'd be really glad ;)

And I won't write texts in English... :p

[pactalon]

Right, the layout is located at:

http://capex.scholarnet.ca/capex/dmr.html

[Fencer5]

That's looking pretty good DMR

[flame_211]

I see you just took the concept of my layout... Yours doesnt look that bad :) lol







my layout is at http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/capitex

[dmr]

Originally posted by Fencer5
That's looking pretty good DMR

Thanks! :D

Originally posted by flame_211
I see you just took the concept of my layout... Yours doesnt look that bad :) lol

my layout is at http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/capitex

Thanks again! :D

Do I have to add this funny sentence to my layout: "I am almost positive that this will be the layout for Capitex.." ?? ;)

I think it's okay to improve your layout. When you remember: "The concept is good but the colors are sticky..." :p
So this is the improved "flame and dmr"-Layout. :cool:

[flame_211]

no you dont have to put that sentence.

Ya its flame & dmr layout.

[flame_211]

DMR do you have MSN, if not you should get it so we can get together and make a couple of layouts and put 'em up, and then people can decide what one looks best...

my msn is flame_gandalf@hotmail.com

my aim is flame211@aol.com or

flamewide

[flame_211]

this post right here is my 100th post !!!!!!YAY!!!!!!

I just couldnt resist... :D lol :D :) :D ;) :p :cool: :eek:

[filburt1]

Guys, thought you should know: this reincarnation of Adam was also banned. :rolleyes: So...well I dunno, who's the leader or I guess you can talk to him through MSN...

*leaves because he is feeling stupid* :D

[filburt1]

Originally posted by flame_211
this post right here is my 100th post !!!!!!YAY!!!!!!

I just couldnt resist... :D lol :D :) :D ;) :p :cool: :eek:

3827 here. :D :D :p

[GasDrinker]

*cough*

[dmr]

"Pactalon" posted in ChitChat and confirmed to be "Aknisely". That's the reason why he has also been banned.



He will strike back... :D


My 218th post... Great :)

[da_silvy]

HOW DO U KNOW THAT HE HAS BEEN BANNED though?
and why was Akinsely banned in the first place?

no my 1563rd post

that's a few posts 2nite
:eek:

[dmr]

Originally posted by da_silvy
HOW DO U KNOW THAT HE HAS BEEN BANNED though?
and why was Akinsely banned in the first place?

The reason for banning Adam was this post as Martin said: http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.php?postid=571348#post571348

Under the username pactalon he posted this:
http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.php?postid=572009#post572009
but Martin still did not like him... :rolleyes:

[GasDrinker]

Anyone have anything to contribute, esp. in terms of layout/programming?

[da_silvy]

I don't think it will go ahead without Adam here

[dmr]

I think it will go ahead.

+ we have him in our "Contact Lists"

+ he's omnipresent :D (Martin banned him from writing but not from viewing)

---

I'm doing some general stuff for authentification at the moment, that's also an important thing.

[GasDrinker]

Aren't I he? :rolleyes:

[dmr]

Didn't want to say it so clearly... :p


Okay. Welcome to our really new leader, GasDrinker!

[GasDrinker]

Yes, and my original question still stands. Any more progress made on the layout, it's really impressive so far! :)

[flame_211]

Dmr... we really should put our brilliant layout creating minds together and make a couple of layouts so people can choose one.

-AIM : Flame211, flamewide
-MSN : Flame_Gandalf
ICQ : I really didnt take the time to memorize my number

[dmr]

Originally posted by flame_211
Dmr... we really should put our brilliant layout creating minds together and make a couple of layouts so people can choose one.

-AIM : Flame211, flamewide
-MSN : Flame_Gandalf
ICQ : I really didnt take the time to memorize my number

LOL :)

Your ICQ is #124764683 and you're already on my list and me on yours for a week... :)

Okay. I do have AIM ("myCMN") but I don't really know how to use... :rolleyes:

And MSN... :grrr:

All viewers under 18 have to call a parent!
Moderators stop reading here!




























I REALLY HATE THIS F****** S*** !
I'll give you my nick when you come online with ICQ. :)



So lets talk through ICQ. Please :D


dmr.

[flame_211]

Whats ur Nickname Ue or admin?

[flame_211]

Now i know who you are lol...:) :D ;) :p :cool: :eek:

[flame_211]

Does anyone know of a free server that supports php and MySQL... it isnt going to be the public one it will be for us to get started on CapitEx...
please post all of them here...

[flame_211]

Ok.. I found a site that will support php and a MySQL database.

I have started something, I dont know exactly what it is i started but heres the address:

http://www.scorpius.spaceports.com/~gandalf1

that should work

[da_silvy]

NO!!!! :eek:

Reallly realy painfully slow

and i don't think they support php and mysql unless you are on the cgi-bin server

you need to sign up to cgi-bin server, not the planet servers


As on Spaceports FAQ (http://www.spaceports.com/faq/#ss19)

19. Why don't you support mySQL, PHP and CGI on the main servers?
The security concerns with CGI scripts are much greater than normal HTML. Also, more importantly, CGI scripts can overwhelm servers because, by their very nature, they use up many more resources. This way, if scripts go wild, they affect only the CGI-BIN server -- and not the other servers with 35, 000 users.



did i mention that spaceports is slow?

[flame_211]

Oh... Ok... well if anyone can find a better one then i am up for it...

[flame_211]

Here is something I thought you guys should read...

its about a descent hosting service.... Tell me what you think about it...


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Their site is at http://www.phpwebhosting.com

they have 125 megs to start with :eek:
and un-metered bandwidth :D

and they will also give you more space if u need it...

;) :D

[flame_211]

Well.... I know by now everyone is sick and tired of seeing only me talk here and well... SO AM I!!! START POSTING!!!

OK... Well now that i have that off my back, i finished updating the website to day, and also......

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Adam made me the co-leader, so far all i have done is assigned tasks to everyone that I know(or think) is on the CapitEx development team... If I have added you by mistake or forgot to add some one let me know... Well the tasks are posted at the website and the website is :

http://www.scorpius.spaceports.com/~gandalf1

so go there...


Your Co-leader :
Andrew (AKA Flame)

[flame_211]

i am sure we can use your server, i have no problem with that.

And I dont think Adam does either.

Has everyone looked at their job posting?

[flame_211]

Well i gave dmr the html files and the pictures for the site nad he put it up...

the site is at http://www.dmr-online.de/capitex so go there and Look at your tasks, post here when you finish thats about it..

[dmr]

I'll create a template-system for the layout-files which can be used by all others. When you need the code, mail me or better icq me. :)

The site is located at http://capitex.communi.org/capitex/index.phtml .

[sail3005]

is this project still going now that Aknisely is gone?

[flame_211]

Originally posted by sail3005
is this project still going now that Aknisely is gone?

Yes, it is, I talk to him all the time... But he isnt gone.

Any ways, if you wanna talk to him his aim is pactalon, his msn is pactalon@hotmail.com

and if you cant get a hold of him that way, goto the site and then to ideas, and it will have his email adress. along with mine...

[da_silvy]

Originally posted by dmr
Well... let it tell me this way...


Infact nobody knows where Australia is located... :D



I don't know. Indeed there's no private connection to which my ISP is directly connected through. But my serverstat logged some access from downunder! So it seems to work in a way :p.


This is for Europe...
http://www.communi.org/library/backbone/content_perform_022.gif


And in the lower left corner of this image you can see how this connection has already set up! :rolleyes:
http://www.communi.org/library/backbone/content_perform_031.gif

they don't even offer a map of australia lol,

we're just an arrow down into no where

[flame_211]

lol i guess Australia = just a line, not really their :) lol:D :) ;) :p

[da_silvy]

at least most of us know the difference between their, they're and there :p ;)

sledgin...

[flame_211]

Why are you makeing fun of the way I write their? You have a problem with me? Take it up with me personally, that way I can make fun of you without being banned!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[da_silvy]

far out mate, it's a joke

you pay out australia, therefore you pay out australians

I am an Australian...

Besides, I have no problem with you

[flame_211]

If any Australians were offended I am very sorry...

We need to get started on CapitEx... We have the layout done:D , but that just isnt enough:rolleyes: , We need to start on our assignments today. Your assignments are as follows:

dmr-database programming, layout, hosting

Ue-Start on sign-up page (or any page) using this layout

filburt1-Create art/graphics for main page

da_silvy-Do what you can on some pages (use this layout)

easyspy-graphics

fencer5-Come up with ideas like a bank and lottos and stuff or get sponsors

DaoK-I dont know what you can do so, get ideas


When you have completed your task, please let me know, (Just post here):p ;) :cool: :D :)

[da_silvy]

is it going to be done in PHP?

i will do the sign up page to link to the mySQl database?

Can you post the database names, fields etc? dmr?

[flame_211]

Ok, da_silvy, you can create the sign up page. But I dont think dmr has created the database yet... have you dmr?

well, if he has i am sure he will paste up what you asked him too :)



Oh, and yes it will be done in php ... :):D ;) :p :cool:

lol, i dont know how to program in php:confused: :eek: :D

[flame_211]

I forgot, do you have msn? if so what is your name on it(email)? so we can talk?

mine is flame_gandalf@hotmail.com

:) ;) :D :cool: :p

[da_silvy]

yes,

email:

slobidan90@hotmail.com

[dmr]

Originally posted by flame_211
If any Australians were offended I am very sorry...

We need to get started on CapitEx... We have the layout done:D , but that just isnt enough:rolleyes: , We need to start on our assignments today. Your assignments are as follows:

dmr-database programming, layout, hosting

Ue-Start on sign-up page (or any page) using this layout

filburt1-Create art/graphics for main page

da_silvy-Do what you can on some pages (use this layout)

easyspy-graphics

fencer5-Come up with ideas like a bank and lottos and stuff or get sponsors

DaoK-I dont know what you can do so, get ideas


When you have completed your task, please let me know, (Just post here):p ;) :cool: :D :)


:D

One question to the list above...:
What are you going to do?! :eek:

[dmr]

Originally posted by flame_211
Ok, da_silvy, you can create the sign up page. But I dont think dmr has created the database yet... have you dmr?

well, if he has i am sure he will paste up what you asked him too :)



Oh, and yes it will be done in php ... :):D ;) :p :cool:

lol, i dont know how to program in php:confused: :eek: :D

You're wrong. The database exists already for atleast 2 weeks but there no recordsets in it... :(


@ da_silvy: add me to your icq list and I'll give you the database-classes and the other very important things... :D

We'll use a configuration script which is neither a class or a single module which will return/be the variable $Conf

The connection will wild up through the database script.

The table looks like this:

AccountID* varchar(10)
FirstName* varchar(20)
LastName* varchar(20)
Title* varchar(10)
Sex* tinyint(4)
Birthday* date
Country* varchar(30)
Territory* varchar(30)
City* varchar(30)
Occupation* varchar(50)
Phone* varchar(20)
Fax* varchar(20)
Address* varchar(50)


More detailed information through icq :)

dmr.
[ #28653730 ]

[da_silvy]

It's a mySQL database isn't it?

[dmr]

Yes, it is.

____________________
Contact me :)

[da_silvy]

Originally posted by dmr

We'll use a configuration script which is neither a class or a single module which will return/be the variable $Conf



??

What do you mean?

[dmr]

Originally posted by da_silvy


??

What do you mean?


I guess that the project will become bigger, and bigger... :eek:

And when we have to change any system parameter we have to change everything. To avoid this we'll use an object or a simple array which will hold the things that might change, like server-root, domain, tables, database and whatever.

[da_silvy]

Yes, we can just have then in a .inc file for requirement

so you want me to write the code, getting all variables from a file?

i.e

signup.php

Require vars.inc
'Do all signup stuff based on vars

vars.inc
$dbhost="";
$dbusername="";
$dbpassword="";

$usertable=""


etc?

[flame_211]

Sorry dmr, I didnt know that you had already made the database,(Only reason I thought that,
is because last time i asked you, you had said you hadnt made it i think)well anyways, I am glad you made it,
um... I dont really know what im going to do probably just make some art and ***EDITED FOR CONTENT***

:):):):D :p ;) :cool: LOL :)

[flame_211]

I figured out what I am to do :)

Assist in leading, layout, and set out specific requirements for each member...


:):D ;) :p :cool:

lol

[da_silvy]

okie dokie

[dmr]

Originally posted by da_silvy
Yes, we can just have then in a .inc file for requirement

so you want me to write the code, getting all variables from a file?

i.e

signup.php

Require vars.inc
'Do all signup stuff based on vars

vars.inc
$dbhost="";
$dbusername="";
$dbpassword="";

$usertable=""


etc?

Yes. Something like this.
Only that the $db will be configured separately.


Originally posted by da_silvy
Well Done

...
waiting for Dmr to reply

I probably should install icq soon...

Yes! :D

When you've installed it:
my uin is # 28653730

[da_silvy]

still can't be bothered yet ... :p

[flame_211]

If their is anything I can help you guys out with on the sign up page or the database just let me know, and I will see what I can do...

[flame_211]

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THE SITE ????????????????:mad: :mad: :mad: :confused: :confused: :confused: :mad: :confused: :( :( :( :confused: :mad: :( :confused: :mad:


ITS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.communi.org
http://capitex.communi.org/capitex/index.phtml


ITS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WHAT HAPPENED??????????????????????

[da_silvy]

They probably closed down :(

[flame_211]

It is back up now the server was Just down...

[da_silvy]

Heheheh

Got all upset for nothing :p

[dmr]

I don't know the reason why my server was offline, because I don't host it myself. But infact it's not a free server and so the can't close it down.


@ da_silvy: install icq !!! :D

[da_silvy]

I've downloaded it, it's a start

[flame_211]

I guess I did get mad over nothing... Well anyways, like what dmr said:

INSTAL ICQ !!! it doesn't take too long to install, and signup for...

And one question, why arent you ever on MSN...

P.S. I am not on a computer to be chatting on (DAMN SCHOOL COMPUTERS) so
PLEASE don't ask me why I am not on right now... :);) :D :p :cool: :) ;) :D :p :cool:

[dmr]

Originally posted by flame_211
And one question, why arent you ever on MSN...

To whom is this addressed to?
When you speak to me it's because I hate it... :p



da_silvy: my uin is #28653730

Add me when you signed up for an account.

[flame_211]

I know why you are never on dmr, but I wanted to know why da_silvy is never on...

[da_silvy]

I'm on all the time :eek:


just not on ICQ or MSN

[flame_211]

Ok... well why aren't you ever on msn? I got you on my list, but you are never on :)

[da_silvy]

Yeah i am, where are you from, that could mean the time difference

I post here in some spare time that i find, like this morning :)

[flame_211]

I live in CA-California, Sorry, I guess I forgot you live in Australia...

:):D ;) :p :cool:

[flame_211]

that I forgot to ask on the other post...

How far are we on the game (i.e. sign-up page, starting page, login page)?

REMINDER: To da_silvy and dmr,

If you need any help on the database OR creating some pages, just let me know :) :D ;) :p :cool: :p ;) :D :)

[da_silvy]

Not far

I have exams coming up soon (8 of them :()

So it may be a little while until I can put some big effort into it ;)

[dmr]

Originally posted by da_silvy
Not far

I have exams coming up soon (8 of them :()

So it may be a little while until I can put some big effort into it ;)

The same applies to me.
Next week I'm on excursion and after that at least 6 exams are still waiting and before winter again... :(

[da_silvy]

What year and what subjects do you have exams for?

I'm in year 9
Have 8 exams:

English
History
Geography
Science
Maths Advanced Analysis
General Maths
French
Chinese

:(...

[dmr]

Originally posted by da_silvy
What year and what subjects do you have exams for?

I'm in year 9
Have 8 exams:

English
History
Geography
Science
Maths Advanced Analysis
General Maths
French
Chinese

:(...

I'm in year 12.
You're learning Chinese? :) Thats cool!
French... :mad: I gave it up after 5 years... :rolleyes:

My exams are in:
Physics (written yesterday), :)
Chemistry, :)
Maths Analysis 2, :)
Geography, :)
Politics, :(
English, :rolleyes:
German :mad:
and not to forget about Programming next week! :D

[MartinLiss]

One of the other moderators wanted to move this thread to Chit Chat but I said it should remain here. Please only use the thread for communication about your project.

[flame_211]

LOL LOL

I cant believe you guys, always getting into trouble :) j/k lol

Sorry I haven't been here for the past couple of days...
I have had a tremendous amount of homework...

Well, just do whatever you can in your spare time on the project...

:) :D ;) :p :cool: :p ;) :D :)

[flame_211]

What we dont talk any more?

When I said you guys get into trouble I was just kidding!!!

Come on TALK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: :eek: :(

[da_silvy]

About what

The site doesn't seem to be going anywhere

We have 3 ppl working (or not) on it :rolleyes:

[flame_211]

Ok...

Well...

This weekend I think we should all meet at a certain time...

That way we can get something done:)

Well, If not, then I am going to get extra help(A programmer that can program in php) that lives in or around my time zone.(I noticed that none of us are ever on at the same time...:rolleyes:

[da_silvy]

Q1. Where do you live?
Q2. How old are you?
....

Any more questions you'd like to answer?

[flame_211]

Ok

A1: I live in California, United States
A2: I am 14 :)

----------------------

I guess Ill answer a few more but I dont know what i am answering ok?

A3: I am in 9th Grade
A4: I program in VB and HTML and Flash (If you cant that proggraming :) )
A5: It is 7:10 right now
A6: In 10 minutes it will be 7:20

[da_silvy]

I just turned 15, monday

It is 5:39 here
I am from Australia, as you had already picked up, in Victoria Melbourne.

I program Some ASP, A little C++, HTML (lol) VBA, PHP w/ mySQL, and VB, also Javascript (not really programming)

It is now 5:40

In 50 minutes, Neighbours will be on :p

[flame_211]

LOL... Ok...

-Andrew

[da_silvy]

I don't think this is going to go ahead :rolleyes:

[flame_211]

It doesnt seem like this thing is going very far...

I guess all we can do is one of two things, either:

1.Give up all together on CapitEx...
Or
2.Just do what we can with the time we have to spare...

(Personally I am going with 2) Hope all of you will as well..

-Andrew

[da_silvy]

I'll give it a 1.5

It's too much work for (2) people now.

SO i think there are going to be problems :(

[flame_211]

Well there is actually 3 or 4 people but that still isnt enough... well, I guess Ill try to get more people to join, I am sure there is some one out there that wants too...

[da_silvy]

LOL

You need to spam :rolleyes:

[flame_211]

I guess you're right. I do need to spam...

Well, im not gonna do it today... ***Yawn*** to tired to do anything right now.

Im not going to be on for a few days... So don't expect to get a reply back very soon if
you decide to reply to this...




[da_silvy]

Ok, i won't expect a reply :rolleyes:

[flame_211]

Well Im back now... :)